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1still_waters
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Let me restate this another way.
There were Muslims who fought for America in the Iraq war.
They weren't fighting for Islam, they were fighting for America.
All Muslims who go to war(In a broad sense.) aren't doing it for Jihad or Islam.
These are Chechens who happen to be Muslims.
But being Muslims doesn't mean it's being done for Islam.
Just like Muslim American troops who fought for the USA in Iraq. For them it wasn't about Islam either.
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PeteWaldo
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That isn't really stating it another way. That is simply another bunch of words that ignored the content of the post you quoted.
Let me state - your "restate this another way" - another way. The Roman Church murder of Jews, Muslims AND Christians is the opposite of what the Gospel commands of Christians. The fact that they did it doesn't change the Gospel.
That doesn't change the Gospel any more than a Muslim fighting on the side of infidels against Muslims changes the Quran and Hadith.
The Quran and Hadith IN FACT command the exact opposite as what you quoted makes clear.
Any Muslims fighting with infidels against Muslims is exactly opposite of what the false prophet Muhammad did and commanded his true followers to do.
ALL TRUE (male) followers of Muhammad are ARE OBLIGATED to fight and slay and at least subjugate all non-Muslims to themselves, and nothing you wish to believe will change that, any more than it will change 1400 years of Islamic history that demonstrates it. Including a conquest of nearly the whole known world during the Islamic first Jihad.
Seems you are more trying to justify the acts of the side that you have chosen.
It is done for Islam precisely because they ARE Muslims, commanded by the Quran and Hadith, and even confirmed by the Islamic terrorist group he cited on his website.
They are Muslims who believe they were born Muslims. Most of such types no more read the Quran and Hadith, than engaging in the required prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his messenger Muhammad. Indeed if those Muslims that don't have the stomach for Islamic conquest and murder of innocents did read the Quran and Hadith, they would probably not be Muslims anymore. Too bad so many Muslims around the world don't have the option of leaving without being killed as apostates. Though that even happens in the west.
Ole Muhammad even had an answer to his followers who were not so reprobate, that their hearts convicted them against fighting and slaying innocent non-Muslims:
Sura 2:216 jihad (holy fighting in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
Try this site for young Muslims I just glanced at for the first time while doing the search for that sura.
JIHAD - Hasan al-Banna
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jimmydiggs
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I'm just gonna leave this here for you waldo.
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[video=youtube;JsvnElDAFGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsvnElDAFGc[/video]
So let me see if I get this straight.
Many of you were told beforehand that this bombing was an act of Islam. Many of you were told that the attacks would continue coming (even by Islam).
This is some of your standpoints:
1. The fact that the brothers were both servants of Allah and Islam. DISMISSED
2. The fact that Islamic leaders have declared war on Israel and the United States. DISMISSED
3. Multiple claims by Islam that cultural Jihad began in the 1980s so that the enemy could attack within, claiming that they would raise servants of Allah within our own government. DISMISSED
4. Obama administration helps deliver Egypt to Muslim Brotherhood and gives them $450 mil; $1.76 bil given to Muslim Brotherhood in military tanks and fighter jets and additional funding. Appoints Muslims in high ranking offices. The United States is declared to be a Muslim nation. DISMISSED
5. Celebrations throughout the earth took place on the day of Obama's re-election. Muslims united saying, "Praise be to Allah. We tricked America." DISMISSED
Am I understanding some of you clearly?
Sure, Russia is involved... but just a vehicle that is being ridden upon.
From the beginning until now, the enemies best tactic has always been to attack from within. He roams about seeking whom he may devour.
But not so for those that walk in the light as He is in the light, for God reveals all truth and all things that are secret and hidden in the darkness. He leads His people in ways of righteousness and keeps them from all harm; those who hear and obey.
His sheep know His voice.
Many of you were told beforehand that this bombing was an act of Islam. Many of you were told that the attacks would continue coming (even by Islam).
This is some of your standpoints:
1. The fact that the brothers were both servants of Allah and Islam. DISMISSED
2. The fact that Islamic leaders have declared war on Israel and the United States. DISMISSED
3. Multiple claims by Islam that cultural Jihad began in the 1980s so that the enemy could attack within, claiming that they would raise servants of Allah within our own government. DISMISSED
4. Obama administration helps deliver Egypt to Muslim Brotherhood and gives them $450 mil; $1.76 bil given to Muslim Brotherhood in military tanks and fighter jets and additional funding. Appoints Muslims in high ranking offices. The United States is declared to be a Muslim nation. DISMISSED
5. Celebrations throughout the earth took place on the day of Obama's re-election. Muslims united saying, "Praise be to Allah. We tricked America." DISMISSED
Am I understanding some of you clearly?
Sure, Russia is involved... but just a vehicle that is being ridden upon.
From the beginning until now, the enemies best tactic has always been to attack from within. He roams about seeking whom he may devour.
But not so for those that walk in the light as He is in the light, for God reveals all truth and all things that are secret and hidden in the darkness. He leads His people in ways of righteousness and keeps them from all harm; those who hear and obey.
His sheep know His voice.
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1still_waters
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1still_waters
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So the Muslims who fought for America against Iraq were also doing it to kill the infidels who happened to be fellow non-infidels?
What I asserted in this thread is way outside of the normal paradigm.
Some folks are bound and determined to view things inside a given paradigm.
*shrugs*
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1still_waters
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Of course the beauty of all of this is..I mean at a purely I'm right you're wrong level.....
If the facts come out, and the government and media tells us it was a Jihad attack...
MANY OF YOU are so conspiracy theory minded you won't believe what the government and media reports anyways.
To agree that it's Jihad could be to agree with the government, media..and worst of all
THE CLEARLY STATED FACTS!!
*shrieks in horror*
Kinda puts one in a corner...
I mean if we're at a purely i'm right you're wrong level...
To agree with the media..and government would well..........go against everything you stand for.
If the facts come out, and the government and media tells us it was a Jihad attack...
MANY OF YOU are so conspiracy theory minded you won't believe what the government and media reports anyways.
To agree that it's Jihad could be to agree with the government, media..and worst of all
THE CLEARLY STATED FACTS!!
*shrieks in horror*
Kinda puts one in a corner...
I mean if we're at a purely i'm right you're wrong level...
To agree with the media..and government would well..........go against everything you stand for.
I would not have anyone get caught up in such things as conspiracy. The media is limited. God is not. If any man lacks anything, let him ask God, nothing wavering.
Ask God to reveal the mystery of the 4th of the 4 horsemen and the 4th beast mentioned by Daniel. Ask God to reveal the mystery of the 10 horns on the beast.
Ask God to reveal the mystery of the 4th of the 4 horsemen and the 4th beast mentioned by Daniel. Ask God to reveal the mystery of the 10 horns on the beast.
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PeteWaldo
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I'm afraid you are bro. And they seem to think the Islamic terror attack in Boston was something different or new.
That's a good point. It isn't like the boys needed to travel in order to learn what the obligation of every true male follower of Muhammad is. The boy just didn't want to die as a "hypocrite"
[video=youtube;qUYIHRRaPmA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUYIHRRaPmA[/video]
JIHAD
Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
Of course it would be pure blasphemy for a Christian to make that confession, because Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.
Quran Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
That is of course a lie regarding the Gospel binding anyone to "fight and slay", since the Gospel commands Christians to love and bless our enemies.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
But as the Quran indicates, fighting and slaying non-Muslims is "a promise binding on" Muhammad's true followers, "in the Quran". Chapter 9 is the second to last in the order as recited by Muhammad, and thus abrogates prior contradictions, particularly from his early Mecca days such as "no compulsion in religion".
"Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari" - Maktba Dar-us-Salam's page 580
Chapter 2. The best among the people is that believer who strives his utmost in Allah's Cause with both his life and property.
footnotes:
[1] "Al-Jihad (the holy fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of number and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, [His Word being La ilaha ill-Allah (which means: none has the right to be worshipped by Allah] and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; there honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.
[2] Of course, nobody can offer Salat (prayer) and observe Saum (fast) incessantly, and since the Muslim fighter is rewarded as if he was doing such good impossible deeds, no possible deed equals Jihad in reward.
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1still_waters
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The greater cause here is of revolution against tyrannical governments. This was a call to awareness of such.
It's not about Islam.
In some of these struggles it's Muslim v Muslim for the cause of revolution.
It's not about Islam.
In some of these struggles it's Muslim v Muslim for the cause of revolution.
Probably true. Let's not forget that those that hate them hate them because the media says they're bad.
Of course the beauty of all of this is..I mean at a purely I'm right you're wrong level.....
If the facts come out, and the government and media tells us it was a Jihad attack...
MANY OF YOU are so conspiracy theory minded you won't believe what the government and media reports anyways.
To agree that it's Jihad could be to agree with the government, media..and worst of all
THE CLEARLY STATED FACTS!!
*shrieks in horror*
Kinda puts one in a corner...
I mean if we're at a purely i'm right you're wrong level...
To agree with the media..and government would well..........go against everything you stand for.
You're right about one thing..... I won't believe the government and the media at face value...... not because I'm a conspiracy theorist, but because they have lied and cried wolf so many times who can believe anything they say? Remember, they blamed Iraq for 9/11....... then blamed Osama bin Laden and his cohorts, only to find out the big list of hijackers put on the news was untrue because several of those guys who were blamed for flying the planes were still alive!
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Theophane
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I believe the conspiracy theories that are headed by the likes of icke and jones are isolating people to be labeled "crazy".
Those of you that see in the darkness through the True Light given do not get caught up in all this put out information/dis-information.
I consider many are playing into their hands at this time.
Much is left on the trail because they want you to follow it...
Then they can turn people against you...
Those of you that see in the darkness through the True Light given do not get caught up in all this put out information/dis-information.
I consider many are playing into their hands at this time.
Much is left on the trail because they want you to follow it...
Then they can turn people against you...
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Abiding
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