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Unboundsoul

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Greetings All,

I am a non-religious lover of God. I follow no pathways set out by men or women. I do not identify with any book or any known religions. I am simply me. I love God with all my heart but as God is infinite and unable to be known or "boxed in" I see God much different than most people. I am not here to cause trouble as that would be disrespectful to you all I am also not here to be "converted" and/or "saved" as God loves and understands me just the way I am. I am here simply for some discussion about Christianity. I know about what Ive read in several books including the bible but I'd like to hear from people about the why. I will never tell you your beliefs are wrong they are, after all, YOUR beliefs who am I to say otherwise. I will however state my opinions with respect and as much tact as I am able.

May God Bless You Always,
unboundsoul
 
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richie_2uk

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Well God bless with your walk and journey with the God you serve. Like you I am not a religious lover, As I know God does not like religious people. as its by faith and following his will that will bless you as a follower of the true God. The path that God has for me, I struggle like any other person. But Having Jesus in my life does make it a lot easier, as he corrects my path, he loves me as I take his path, and Blesses me for trying when I fall and fail. Once you have got the true Hand of God in your life, the very day you give your heart, and the day you surrendered to him, He will never lose sight of you. Even though you may stumble, fall, or fail or feel you cannot do or follow God. God always shows you the narrow path he has for you, and the more you continue your faith and belief, and constant reading his word. you can get up from your fall, or your struggles and start again, but from were you have fallen. To me God is infinite, because the more you fall, the more he is there to pick you up. and that will be for ever.

I too don't follow any path set out by man or women, how ever I think we can compromise our efforts and our paths and walks with God we serve. Like a good soldier will never leave a man behind, he will walk the same path as him, and if he sees him fall, he will try help to pick him up. and that what I meant by compromising our efforts. I am not a follower of books written by men or women that's from there own understanding about the bible or there spiritual walk or there journey, as they may write a few scriptures to make there book sound good for themselves. God's word ( the Bible ) has plenty of inspired stories, facts, rules and promises and prophecies to keep me going for life time.

Why am I a Christian? or trying to be Christ like? to me, it's a matter of respect, he did it for me, and I feel I need to return it to him that saved me. And that's along with my stumbles, falls and failures. Praise our loving, living, and our never failing God. Amen............
 
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When you say you follow no pathway or book (including the Bible) you are in essence doing what all non-believers do. You in fact make yourself out to be God. You imagine what the world would or should be like if you were God, and you convince yourself that this image is in fact God. I believe you when you say you Love God, but I think it is yourself you are referring to. If you get no guidance or direction from Scripture then where does your morals, values and laws come from? Your parents? Society, or your own heart? It is hard to fill a cup that is already full but i'll give it a shot.

I am a Christian for a variety of reasons, but the primary one is I have experienced Jesus in my life. There was NO way I could ever stop some of the sins that I knew were wrong yet continued for many years. I tried everything in my own strength and HATED the fact that I couldn't stop. It CERTAINLY didn't happen overnight, but after receiving Jesus as my Savior, and feeding my Spirit rather than my flesh by DAILY praying and studying His Word, He has given me the freedom and strength to resist temptations. I remain in my fleshly body so I still stumble from time to time, and I've found that Satan has tried other ways to tempt me, but I KNOW for certain ALL the good things in my life, including self-control, are from the Holy Spirit. I pray in Jesus name that you would experience Him as well.
 
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Unboundsoul,

Tenets of Christianity pretty much demand that we should be concerned about your "salvation",
and that we tell you how to be "saved."

Being a Christian isn't about lots of little things,
but rather about the core issue of accepting Christ,
and having a conversion experience,
which the bible calls being "saved."

So.. it isn't possible for us to discuss Christianity with you without talking about being "saved."
 
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Bonzo1959

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"Why am I a Christian? or trying to be Christ like? to me, it's a matter of respect, he did it for me, and I feel I need to return it to him that saved me."
I like your post richie_2uk and so so true, what non believer's don't know or understand is why Jesus came in the 1st place "to save us and the world" I believe if he hadn't, the world would be in darkness and we would be long gone. Praise be to our beloved Jesus Christ and the love of GOD and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
 
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xFuSioN

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god is holy and if you sin once you will bring out his wrath but if you believe in jesus he can wipe away your sins and make you pure again!
 
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Unboundsoul

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PennEd said:
When you say you follow no pathway or book (including the Bible) you are in essence doing what all non-believers do. You in fact make yourself out to be God. You imagine what the world would or should be like if you were God, and you convince yourself that this image is in fact God. I believe you when you say you Love God, but I think it is yourself you are referring to. If you get no guidance or direction from Scripture then where does your morals, values and laws come from? Your parents? Society, or your own heart? It is hard to fill a cup that is already full but i'll give it a shot.

I am a Christian for a variety of reasons, but the primary one is I have experienced Jesus in my life. There was NO way I could ever stop some of the sins that I knew were wrong yet continued for many years. I tried everything in my own strength and HATED the fact that I couldn't stop. It CERTAINLY didn't happen overnight, but after receiving Jesus as my Savior, and feeding my Spirit rather than my flesh by DAILY praying and studying His Word, He has given me the freedom and strength to resist temptations. I remain in my fleshly body so I still stumble from time to time, and I've found that Satan has tried other ways to tempt me, but I KNOW for certain ALL the good things in my life, including self-control, are from the Holy Spirit. I pray in Jesus name that you would experience Him as well.
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i have to disagree with the entirety of your first paragraph. I do not see myself as God at all. I am a creature that God allowed to be born into this world and for that I'm grateful. I pray to God for guidance much like most religious people and I receive guidance. I don't need a book of any sort to tell me what's right or wrong I approach people with love and respect and through that I experience right and wrong behaviors. As far as my morals go yes I did listen to some of my parents wisdom as I'm sure we all do, I also use reasoning and prayer as well. I have no "laws" that would mean I would have no control or choice when presented with an issue and this would have to rely on my own self prescribed doctrine instead of using my critical thinking faculties as well as praying for guidance. My "law" would in essence supercede my relationship with God. As far as societal morality is concerned most of societies moral compass is bent into a pretzel so no none of my morals come from social dogmas.

As far as your experiences go I am glad you have found comfort and personal growth. And I am also glad you stopped the destructive behaviors that were keeping you down. But sin, and Jesus, and Satan are not a part of my beliefs. I could explain what I think but do not want to overstep so I will refrain for now.

God Bless,
Unboundsoul
 
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Bistabuster

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Unboundsoul said:
i have to disagree with the entirety of your first paragraph. I do not see myself as God at all. I am a creature that God allowed to be born into this world and for that I'm grateful. I pray to God for guidance much like most religious people and I receive guidance. I don't need a book of any sort to tell me what's right or wrong I approach people with love and respect and through that I experience right and wrong behaviors. As far as my morals go yes I did listen to some of my parents wisdom as I'm sure we all do, I also use reasoning and prayer as well. I have no "laws" that would mean I would have no control or choice when presented with an issue and this would have to rely on my own self prescribed doctrine instead of using my critical thinking faculties as well as praying for guidance. My "law" would in essence supercede my relationship with God. As far as societal morality is concerned most of societies moral compass is bent into a pretzel so no none of my morals come from social dogmas.

As far as your experiences go I am glad you have found comfort and personal growth. And I am also glad you stopped the destructive behaviors that were keeping you down. But sin, and Jesus, and Satan are not a part of my beliefs. I could explain what I think but do not want to overstep so I will refrain for now.

God Bless,
Unboundsoul
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So, may I ask a question? Do you plan on being with God when you die? If so, why will He accept you to be with Him. On what grounds is it possible for you to go to Heaven?
 
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Unboundsoul

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Bistabuster said:
So, may I ask a question? Do you plan on being with God when you die? If so, why will He accept you to be with Him. On what grounds is it possible for you to go to Heaven?
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I'm glad to answer your question. Why would I need to wait until I die? I am with God now and God with me. God accepts me because God created me. I have no heaven or hell so the possibility of going to one or the other is a non-issue. May I ask a question? If there were no dangers of heaven or hell would you believe what you believe? So, If damnation was not an actual consequence of unbelief because, and correct me if Im wrong, but the only way to "save" yourself from eternal damnation is through the belief that Jesus was the messiah and he died so that you could live free of the burdens of sin. Would that change what you believe?
 
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I am new here myself. And my english is really not good enough for the above topic.
But I would like to welcome you to Christian Chat.
 
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Unboundsoul

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Thanks Frederick!
 
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Unboundsoul said:
...I have no heaven or hell so the possibility of going to one or the other is a non-issue.
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That quote reminded me of a smilar one. You may find this worth watching!
[video=youtube;4GquyjOHnpA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GquyjOHnpA[/video]

Welcome to CC... :)
 
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Unboundsoul

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xFuSioN said:
god is holy and if you sin once you will bring out his wrath but if you believe in jesus he can wipe away your sins and make you pure again!
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According to the Christian bible me believing as I do is a sin. Where is the wrath? I've sinned by bible standards just about daily if you take what's in the bible completely literally. Everytime I do something simple like saying someone's hairdo is nice when I really don't think so but don't want to be unkind is a sin. According to the bible just having impure thoughts about a person is a sin, by impure I mean anything it could be sexual, hateful, envious, etc. So in my experience all people sin according to the bible. I have never seen, heard, or even read anything conclusive about someone incurring the wrath of God. Sure in the bible but it's wholly impossible to prove. Why doesn't anyone incur Gods wrath today? Is God happier now? Most answers turn to we are in a period of Gods grace. And if that's the case why are their still killings and wars where believers get killed right alongside non-believers? Some Christians even claim that Gods wrath is still being felt today. Hurricanes, Earthquakes, and other natural disasters are all evidence of Gods wrath. But those things kill believers right along with the supposed wicked. I mean even in Gomorrah at least 1-2 people were spared.

Who knows I may be struck down while writing this........

.....no I guess I'm okay for now.
 
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Unboundsoul

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G4jc it didn't embed properly do you have a link?
 
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Unboundsoul

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maxwel said:
Unboundsoul,

Tenets of Christianity pretty much demand that we should be concerned about your "salvation",
and that we tell you how to be "saved."

Being a Christian isn't about lots of little things,
but rather about the core issue of accepting Christ,
and having a conversion experience,
which the bible calls being "saved."

So.. it isn't possible for us to discuss Christianity with you without talking about being "saved."
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I don't mind talking about Christian salvation at all. I just don't personally need saving. :).
 
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Unboundsoul

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G4JC said:
That quote reminded me of a smilar one. You may find this worth watching!
[video=youtube;4GquyjOHnpA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GquyjOHnpA[/video]

Welcome to CC... :)
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That was fun the guy from growing pains...he used to be a avid atheist. As far as the clip goes it could be easily refuted. But as I said before I'm not here to do that type of thing as it would be disrespectful. I will say that his whole premise required a belief that the bible is truly the word of God. I personally do not posses that belief. So it doesn't really apply. I watched a couple other clips and they seem to target weaker types. The kid in college that really hasn't made his mind up about anything. The man in the dress who clearly had some mental issues, etc. Why didn't they ask a philosophical grad student? Or maybe a professor of theology? There is a reason they are asking who they are asking. Think about it. It's hard to argue what they're saying when you are Not equipped to do so. Maybe you don't yet know what you believe. Or you never gave it any thought and have no grounds to discuss it.
 
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Bistabuster

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Unboundsoul said:
I'm glad to answer your question. Why would I need to wait until I die? I am with God now and God with me. God accepts me because God created me. I have no heaven or hell so the possibility of going to one or the other is a non-issue. May I ask a question? If there were no dangers of heaven or hell would you believe what you believe? So, If damnation was not an actual consequence of unbelief because, and correct me if Im wrong, but the only way to "save" yourself from eternal damnation is through the belief that Jesus was the messiah and he died so that you could live free of the burdens of sin. Would that change what you believe?
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Yes I would still believe what I believe in. God is just and it is true He does love you. How much does He love you? Historically, it is proven that Jesus did indeed die on the cross. That can't be denied. He also was raised from the dead and shown to thousands of people. That too can't be denied. Why did Jesus, who was sinless die on the cross in the first place? I think you know the answer to that one. In case you don't, to wash away our sins. You say you are a bonafied sinner for if you say you're not puts you as a liar! Since God is just, and you have sin, as well as I, and God will not allow sin in His kingdom....

Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

That means any sin, which you have, must be dealt with accordingly. Just how do you plan to rectify your sins and pay the price for it knowing God will not allow you in with even one sin? What would please God enough to satisfy that need?

You said God loves you. Yes, He does love you. How much? We have a dilemma here where we have a God that loves you but He won't let you into the kingdom of heaven because you have sin. Sorry, but those are the facts! If you want to take your chances based solely on "God loves you" standpoint all alone, you will fail. That's not conjecture on my part. You will fail. That is a promise. Why?

1 Tim 2:5-6
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You can't save yourself. If you think you can achieve heaven (if that is truly where you want to ultimately be when you die) without Jesus, you're sadly mistaken. But, if you honestly think you need no help, we won't force you. You will ultimately be living outside the presence and protection of the Holy God. As I asked you before but never answered my own question, how much does God love you?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Do you still think you can get to heaven without Jesus on your side? Without this mediator, we stand no chance. Satan, whether you like it or not, isn't messing with you because he knows you are going to hell. Why? There is only one thing Satan doesn't want you to do. More on that in a moment. Satan is OK with you loving God. If you are considerate to other people, no problem. Satan doesn't care if you even go to church regularly and tithe to boot! Helping the poor and other kind acts is permitted by Satan. So, what's the big deal, right? God likes these things so therefore if I follow the 10 commandments I get to go to heaven, right? Satan really doesn't care much about that as well. So, what's the problem?

John 3:18
He that believeth on him (Jesus) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There is a pile load of plenty more references to show the true love of God. Satan right now appears to me is in control of you telling you that you don't need Jesus. Whatever that information is, one thing is for sure. Satan doesn't want you to have Jesus in your life and as long as you don't want Jesus in you life, Satan's OK with that. You can do anything you want EXCEPT allow Jesus to come into your life. If you're OK with that, God himself will have you pay for your own sins. That's the whole purpose for his death on the cross so that he can pay that price for you. That's how much God loves each and every one of us. Jesus didn't die willingly on the cross, as painful as it was, for pure enjoyment. No. He did it for you.
 
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Unboundsoul said:
I'm glad to answer your question. Why would I need to wait until I die? I am with God now and God with me. God accepts me because God created me. I have no heaven or hell so the possibility of going to one or the other is a non-issue. May I ask a question? If there were no dangers of heaven or hell would you believe what you believe? So, If damnation was not an actual consequence of unbelief because, and correct me if Im wrong, but the only way to "save" yourself from eternal damnation is through the belief that Jesus was the messiah and he died so that you could live free of the burdens of sin. Would that change what you believe?
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Hello unboundsoul,

are you just fear mongering other people? Do you think you are always right? Have you always passed all test in your school with 100 % and A? If not, I will not discuss anything what you have written.
 
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Hello and welcome to CC!

I hope you stick around and I can see you are respectful so that's great. Keep it up!!! I am a Christian and as such I will pray for you. That's it! I"m here if you want to discuss something but I don't believe in force feeding the word of God. I can't come close to what the Holy Spirit can do in a second.

Catch you around. God Bless...
 
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Unboundsoul said:
I don't mind talking about Christian salvation at all. I just don't personally need saving. :).
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Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Unboundsoul, I'm not condemning you, I'm not a hellfire and brimstone kind of person but in all love I'm just wanting you to know that there is a hell and ANYONE who rejects Jesus goes there. So please, I beg you, just ask God to reveal this truth to you.
 
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