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Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Just like Paul wrote in Romans 6. Obedience unto righteousness unto holiness the end of which is eternal life.

Disobedience is not unto righteousness, nor is it unto holiness, nor is the end of disobedience eternal life.
 
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The blood of Christ atones fully and eternally for sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus. Who shall lay anything to the charge of Gods elect? Shall God that justifieth? Romans 8:1,33-39
Duh... That's what grace is. Your sins make you worthy of death, but GOD forebears through the blood.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:57 KJV
(57) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is the next text which you left out. What victory do we get through Jesus?
You have to figure out what you are talking about. Are you talking about the Law and sin?

Or Victory and Christ?

I can talk to you about both but lets not mix them, Laodicea....
 

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Then you are debtor to the whole law.
Yep, and Christ says we all are...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

or is it OK to violate the least of them?
 
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No one really denies that heart purity happens to those who come to Christ. Most of us deny that it is our works that caused it.
Heart purity is wrought by us WORKING TOGETHER with God.

Look at what Peter wrote...

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

The purification of the souls of these babes in Christ was due to them obeying the truth through the Spirit. Obedience is something we do, not something God makes us do. If obedience is something God makes us do apart from our will then we are but pawns in a cosmic game of chess and are thus not responsible for our actions.

The Bible clearly teaches that we are to CHOOSE this day whom we will serve. It does not teach us to WAIT to see if God will MAKE US SERVE.

Thus Peter can write that the believer themselves purified their own soul because he is speaking within the context of WORKING TOGETHER with God. So while God indeed does cleanse our soul we do it via abiding in Jesus Christ. It is synergy.

2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Workers Together - sunergeō
From G4904; to be a fellow worker, that is, co-operate: - help (work) with, work (-er) together.


Noah WORKED TOGETHER with God in building the Ark. God did not FORCE Noah to build it. Noah CHOSE to yield to the grace of God and in doing so was preserved. It is no different with salvation for God is the author of the salvation of those who obey Him (Heb 5:9) hence Jesus preached that one be a DOER and not a HEARER ONLY.
 
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I don't teach sinless perfection either. That is a strawman concoction wrought in the minds of those who are in denial of heart purity being wrought in those who come to Christ.


lol. yeah, and you expect me to believe this? When I do good, as paul said, it is not me who does good. it is Christ in me which does good. it is not my righteousness, it is his.

Your to busy puffing yourself up in pride and condemning everyone else who does not believe exactly the way you do to realise this!


Tell me what is "sinless perfection"? Is that never doing wrong, even ignorantly? Is that what it means?
It is living as Christ lived. Without sin, 24/7

The issue is REBELLION versus SUBMISSION.
No. the issue is the flesh vs the spirit. Children do not rebel every time they disobey their parents. Sometimes they chose just not to trust their parents completely. and fall to temptation. Rebellion is what we did before we came to Christ. It is done by false children, not by true children.
The issue is not never missing the mark. One can miss the mark yet remain in full submission to God. Correction is needed when this occurs and those in submission YIELD to the correction and thus GROW in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
lol.. True. But you will still never every minute of every day fulfill the one commandment, Love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul. We fail at this, not in a rebellious way, but in a childish way..

The rest of your response did not quote. So I can not answer it.
 

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Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Just like Paul wrote in Romans 6. Obedience unto righteousness unto holiness the end of which is eternal life.

Disobedience is not unto righteousness, nor is it unto holiness, nor is the end of disobedience eternal life.
You are still looking at this through the eyes of the Law. The Law demands obedience.

1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

What does Grace say? When the Pharisee prayed to God and when the Sinner prayed to God what did Grace say??
 

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Law is received through the priesthood. A change of priesthood requires a change of law. The new law is the spirit of life in Christ, and the law of faith.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews 7:11-12

A change of what Law?

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

OK, what Law is he speaking of here? This one...

Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.

And did God mean what He said about the Priesthood being only for the sons of Aaron?

Num 16:1 Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:
Num 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:
Num 16:3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

Korah, Dathan and Abiram seemed to think they had just as much right to the Priesthood. What did God say?

Num 16:8 And Moses said unto Korah, Hear, I pray you, ye sons of Levi:
Num 16:9 Seemeth it but a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to himself to do the service of the tabernacle of the LORD, and to stand before the congregation to minister unto them?
Num 16:10 And he hath brought thee near to him, and all thy brethren the sons of Levi with thee: and seek ye the priesthood also?
Num 16:11 For which cause both thou and all thy company are gathered together against the LORD: and what is Aaron, that ye murmur against him?

Num 16:16 And Moses said unto Korah, Be thou and all thy company before the LORD, thou, and they, and Aaron, to morrow:
Num 16:17 And take every man his censer, and put incense in them, and bring ye before the LORD every man his censer, two hundred and fifty censers; thou also, and Aaron, each of you his censer.
Num 16:18 And they took every man his censer, and put fire in them, and laid incense thereon, and stood in the door of the tabernacle of the congregation with Moses and Aaron.
Num 16:19 And Korah gathered all the congregation against them unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto all the congregation.
Num 16:20 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
Num 16:21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.

To say that God was displeased was putting it mildly.

Num 16:23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 16:24 Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up from about the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.
Num 16:25 And Moses rose up and went unto Dathan and Abiram; and the elders of Israel followed him.
Num 16:26 And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.
Num 16:27 So they gat up from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, on every side: and Dathan and Abiram came out, and stood in the door of their tents, and their wives, and their sons, and their little children.
Num 16:28 And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.
Num 16:29 If these men die the common death of all men, or if they be visited after the visitation of all men; then the LORD hath not sent me.
Num 16:30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
Num 16:31 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:
Num 16:32 And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.
Num 16:33 They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

Hmmm, their attempt to do the Priestly duties didn't last long did it? Why? They were Levites but they were not the sons of Aaron. The Priesthood was reserved for the sons of Aaron only.

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Now which of the Ten Commandments specifies that the Priesthood is of the tribe of Levi and the sons of Aaron? If you said none, very good, if not go back and reread Ex 20. Now back to Hebrews...

Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Which commandment?

Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Again, which Law? Ex 28:1 According to that Law Christ could not be a Priest. Now Christ is the God of the Old Testament, He was I AM and He woudl not violate His own Law so the Law concerning the Priesthood had to be changed. Teh Law concerning the Priesthood was part of the Law of Moses, the Ten Commandments are God's Law and are not changeable.
 
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Yep, and Christ says we all are...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

or is it OK to violate the least of them?
Romans 13:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Love fulfills the Law. There is no greater Love than this...

The Lord Jesus absolutely fulfilled the Law.
 
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You are still looking at this through the eyes of the Law. The Law demands obedience.

1 Corinthians 13:13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

What does Grace say? When the Pharisee prayed to God and when the Sinner prayed to God what did Grace say??

It said what the sinner said.. Thank you God for forgiving such a man as me!
 

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Romans 13:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Love fulfills the Law. There is no greater Love than this...

The Lord Jesus absolutely fulfilled the Law.
So let's cut to the chase, do you obey the seventh, sixth, eighth, tenth and ninth Commandments? OR do you do as you please because Christ fulfilled them?
 
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[/COLOR]lol. yeah, and you expect me to believe this? When I do good, as paul said, it is not me who does good. it is Christ in me which does good. it is not my righteousness, it is his.

Paul is teaching that it righteousness is born out of being plugged into God. Thus...

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Righteousness is not about adhering to outward commandments but rather of adhering to the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ.

Thus it is both Christ's righteousness and our righteousness because he that does what is right is righteous.

There is no such thing as "doing wickedness" and "being righteous."

Again I ask has the heart of a genuine Christian been made pure? Does a pure heart produce the fruit of iniquity?



Your to busy puffing yourself up in pride and condemning everyone else who does not believe exactly the way you do to realise this!


How is preaching heart purity via abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ whereby we fulfill the righteousness of the law is us being puffed up and condemning?

Perhaps there is some sin in your life that you are not willing to forsake and thus want a teaching whereby you can continue in that sin and remain justified?


It is living as Christ lived. Without sin, 24/7

The Bible says this...

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Whosoever is born of God sins not (unto death).

1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

Ceased from sin for they no longer live in the flesh to the lusts of men, rather to the will of God.


No. the issue is the flesh vs the spirit. Children do not rebel every time they disobey their parents. Sometimes they chose just not to trust their parents completely. and fall to temptation. Rebellion is what we did before we came to Christ. It is done by false children, not by true children.

Those in rebellion walk according to the lusts of the flesh. For it is the lusts of the flesh which draw men to sin...

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

This kind of temptation is common to man yet God does not suffer to be able to be tempted above that which we are able.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.


Thus it is indeed true that the issue is the "flesh versus the spirit" but those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the passions and desires (Gal 5:24) and thus we no longer live the rest of our time in accordance to them (1Pet 4:2), instead we yield our members to righteousness (Rom 6:11-13), unto holiness (Rom 6:19) the end of which is eternal life (Rom 6:22). Hence the gift of God is eternal life THROUGH Jesus Christ (Rom 6:23) which is abiding in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ (Rom 8:2) whereby the righteousness of God is made manifest through us (1Joh 3:10).


Paul wrote this...


lol.. True. But you will still never every minute of every day fulfill the one commandment, Why not???? Love the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul. We fail at this, not in a rebellious way, but in a childish way..

Love is rooted in the heart not in never missing the mark. Why cannot one love God with all their heart, soul and mind? That attitude sets yourself up for defeat whereby you deny the power of God to make you perfect in Christ. God indeed purifies us whereby He writes the law upon our hearts and we do indeed serve Him in Spirit and in truth loving Him with ALL our heart, soul and mind.

When we makes misjudgment or do something wrong due to ignorance it does not mean we don't love God with all our heart. It simply means they were lacking in understanding and thus need correction in order to do better next time.

The sin that kills is knowing to do right and not doing it. Thus it is knowledge which gives the power of death to sin. Without the commandment sin has no power. Hence Paul wrote that without the law sin was dead.

Rebellion kills. Obedience brings life.

When the Bible says to "love God" it is toying with people?

Again, is heart purity possible?

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:


The rest of your response did not quote. So I can not answer it.
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So let's cut to the chase, do you obey the seventh, sixth, eighth, tenth and ninth Commandments? OR do you do as you please because Christ fulfilled them?
2Co 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2Co 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


A Christian is in subjection to the law of love NOT to the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are but a SHADOW of the law of love.

Don't be deceived into serving the shadow thus negating the source.
 

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So let's cut to the chase, do you obey the seventh, sixth, eighth, tenth and ninth Commandments? OR do you do as you please because Christ fulfilled them?
God's love is the fulfillment of all Law
1 John 4:18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
Galatians 5:7[ Love Fulfills the Law ] You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Galatians 5:8This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
Galatians 5:13For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

Okay so if you choose totry and obey the letter of the law so be it, this is your free choice, and I personally tried this and came tothe end of the energy of my own flesh and thus saw waht Christ did already past tense for me andthus recieved the fulfillment of all Commandments. LOVE best described by god through Paul as in 1 cor 13:4-13
Love you, seeing you are maturing nad God is the one that matures each of us, keeping us humble along the way
 

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And then I shall keep on doing the same things?
do you?
i don't.

are you always successful?
i'm not.

are you without sin?
i'm not?

do you obey the whole Law?
i won't even go there.
 

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I don't teach sinless perfection either. That is a strawman concoction wrought in the minds of those who are in denial of heart purity being wrought in those who come to Christ.

Tell me what is "sinless perfection"? Is that never doing wrong, even ignorantly? Is that what it means?

The issue is REBELLION versus SUBMISSION.

The issue is not never missing the mark. One can miss the mark yet remain in full submission to God. Correction is needed when this occurs and those in submission YIELD to the correction and thus GROW in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
cults and false teachers (Lawyers pretending Law is Grace) will always re-define Biblical terms and principles to fit their own pet heresies and hobby-horses:

example: transgression (rebellion) vs missing the mark (sin).
one is forgiven, the other is not.

one must purify their own hearts (which are stony; evil; filled with filthiness; deceitful beyond cure) before God will forgive (even though He said it is HE WHO CIRCUMCISES THE HEART - giving man a new heart since the old was beyond cure)

Isaiah 53:5
But he was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed.

pesha: transgression
Original Word: פֶּ֫שַׁע
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: pesha
Phonetic Spelling: (peh'-shah)
Short Definition: transgressions

Word Origin
from pasha
Definition
transgression
NASB Translation
breach of trust (1), rebellion (6), rebellious (1), rebellious act (2), rebellious acts (2), transgression (37), transgressions (45).

THE ONLY TRANSGRESSIONS GOD DOES NOT FORGIVE ARE THOSE WHICH ARE COVERED UP, AND NOT CONFESSED.

to say anything less of Him, is blasphemy.

Skinski, you go to the OT, and search for all the times God said he would not forgive transgressions.
and you just can't seem to understand why The Law demands something from us it can make us do.
 

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2Co 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
2Co 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


A Christian is in subjection to the law of love NOT to the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are but a SHADOW of the law of love.

Don't be deceived into serving the shadow thus negating the source.
And the Law of Love is what?

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Christ and John both say that love is keeping the Commandments. I gotta go with them on this one.