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The Homosexual Threat
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GOD isn't one for saying "it's ok to sin in your own private quarters, I wont look"
nope, GOD isn't like that.
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jinx
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we can't tell people what to do and what not to do, but GOD will judge everyone according to what they have done, and if they have sinned by homosexual acts which is considered an abomination, then HE won't have any part of that soul in heaven. we don't make the rules but we will be judged by them.
Your analogy is faulty. You said to let people decide for themselves what is harmful, and I asked if drug use is okay, and you declared that it's harmful and "likely made by criminals". I'm questioning your 'dogma' as you called it, to see if it's sound. You didn't say homosexuality is okay, you said " My dogma is this, if it comes naturally AND its consensual amongst two legal individuals, harming no one, then I could care less." That's what I'm testing for logic, not you saying any one act like toenail cutting is harmful.
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wait.... whos the troll? I want to know so I dont quote them, i probably already did, sorry
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jinx
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well now, if you dont want to discuss what the bible says about this, then your on the wrong site.
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By all means we took it into consideration but JimJimmers and I were discussing the take of secular society on homosexuality, if it should be allowed. Its more of a side conversation. But yes I've read the bible and I understand its takes on it. With that I bid you all a goodnight for the moment.
God did said that the same sex doesn't suppose to lie down with each other, and there's side-effects. From what I had learned that if a woman that has been lying with the same man and decide to lie with another but with the previous one sperms in her, from what I'd know that if another man sperm enter, that the previous sperm stop whatever little spermies be doing, and start attacking the male invaders sperms. So I'm guessing if they behave in this manner, that when a sperms that enter into another male body, they'll start attacking the male body that they has enter and the body start to weakening the body immune system from these attacks. Like pork ( and there's others) is causes the body to get sick also because it has a lot of toxins in it that causes the body to go under so much stress like for an example, when the body has been invaded by something that 's harmful, the body blood pressure goes up. And pork causes some people blood pressure to raise up. So basically the laws were made for the natural man to be at it best. So If someone is not able to give up there pork, crab's leg, and lobster tail dinner and etc..., shouldn't be telling someone what they should be doing or not.
Leviticus 11:7And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you.
People will say that God had made all things clean so that they can still eat their traditional christmas ham every year, but homosexual still have to go according to the laws; I know that homsexual acts was not what God had intended for man and eating pork also; but picking out what you like and doesn't like from the laws is consider to be unlawful, because you are making your own doctrine. Jesus had came to fulfill the laws which means to bring it to a end which causes a lot of people to perish, and now slowly teaching us why the laws were made, so that the laws wouldn't be laws but common sense. But turning them back into laws is forcing someone to obey and which God doesn't want, for He want it to be our natural instinct to practice them without them being a law.
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then no one I ever knew will inherit. when my husband and I divorced and I re-married I became an adulteress. well all my hope should be gone now. of course he was one first, so I suppose he is will never see the likes of heaven. my heart goes out to the old man I see living on the streets never sober has no where to live no family, and no heaven to look to.
Well I guess he is trying to get himself prepared for the next stage.. He might as well start a bucket list before he goes.. Since you are one of the hopeless, what is on your bucket list for today?
Jesus had came to help those who's trying to get into the upper room with a lot of baggage that is weighing them down. The homosexual have flaws as everyone does but Christ know what the heart want; so if our intention are good but our performance is bad, God knows the heart. The thief that had died with Him on the cross and which I presume the thief that was on His right hasn't show any works of goodness but his faith has saved him and which that was his works. Because it takes time to build up faith, but the thief recognized that Jesus was the Savior as the Roman centurion that didn't had any knowledge of Christ but truly believed by Christ's works; eventhough the disciples were with Him for the longest, and still had doubts. I believe if the homosexuals that believe in Christ strong enough that they can change or if not, they'll be accepted as the thief was accepted. But in order for that to happen, we must get rid of the ones that are preventing them from getting to know Him by alienating them away from Christ.
They were also repenting when they did it. Zacheaus is a good example of that.
The 'gay rights' movement, as it is called, is only one of many assaults on the moral fabric of society. When it comes to issues related to marriage and sexuality, the assault started long before homosexuality became popular in recent decades. It didn't start then, but in the 1960's, the idea of 'free love' was popular with some of the young people at the time, having sex with who you wanted to. Birth control pills had been invented, and the government soon legalized murdering babies in the womb to do away with the consequences of free sex.
There was also an increase in the divorce rate. That is an attack on the family, too. Many preachers pay little attention to Christ and the apostles' teachings on divorce. If church goers do not read for themselves, it is unlikely that they will know. Many preachers get divorced nowadays, too. The rates of people committing adultery are high, which contributes to the divorce rates. Metrics that indicate that fornication is prevalent among the youth, including teenage pregnancies, indicate that fornication is a problem in the churches. And a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Rarely do you hear of a church practicing church discipline for such sins as the Bible teaches.
We could also talk about various philosophies in society, such as the Feminist movement. Decades ago, this movement that that there was this bad thing called the patriarchy, that always kept women down, and women's problems were all the fault of the patriarchy. Certain aspects of patriarchy are Biblical, and Feminism has grown in power, influenced churches, and weakened society. It has disrupted marriages and homes, and many men have not grown up with male role models who taught them to bear the responsibility for the family.
Widespread acceptance of fornication in society has also led to a lot of one-parent homes. Some of the men fornicate and don't raise their own children.
In the midst of all this mess, those who practice homosexual perversion have positioned themselves as some kind of oppressed minority. In the past, minorities were identified by racial characteristics, or perhaps gender. But now, someone is identified as a minority based on what type of sexual things he likes to do in the bedroom. They created this concept of 'orientation' and sold the public on it. Just as the entertainment industry and the media has glorified fornication, it has gotten behind the cause of homosexuals and made homosexuals out to be victims of discrimination, and painted those who speak out against this type of perversion as bigots.
So yes, the homosexual agenda is a war on society and the family, but so was the free love movement and it's effects are still felt. So is the lax attitude in our society toward divorce, and the legal system set up to make divorce easy and to make it easy for children to be raised without much influence from their fathers. There are a lot of ways the family is being attacked. Homosexuality is one of the more shocking ways, but it is only one of many.
There was also an increase in the divorce rate. That is an attack on the family, too. Many preachers pay little attention to Christ and the apostles' teachings on divorce. If church goers do not read for themselves, it is unlikely that they will know. Many preachers get divorced nowadays, too. The rates of people committing adultery are high, which contributes to the divorce rates. Metrics that indicate that fornication is prevalent among the youth, including teenage pregnancies, indicate that fornication is a problem in the churches. And a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Rarely do you hear of a church practicing church discipline for such sins as the Bible teaches.
We could also talk about various philosophies in society, such as the Feminist movement. Decades ago, this movement that that there was this bad thing called the patriarchy, that always kept women down, and women's problems were all the fault of the patriarchy. Certain aspects of patriarchy are Biblical, and Feminism has grown in power, influenced churches, and weakened society. It has disrupted marriages and homes, and many men have not grown up with male role models who taught them to bear the responsibility for the family.
Widespread acceptance of fornication in society has also led to a lot of one-parent homes. Some of the men fornicate and don't raise their own children.
In the midst of all this mess, those who practice homosexual perversion have positioned themselves as some kind of oppressed minority. In the past, minorities were identified by racial characteristics, or perhaps gender. But now, someone is identified as a minority based on what type of sexual things he likes to do in the bedroom. They created this concept of 'orientation' and sold the public on it. Just as the entertainment industry and the media has glorified fornication, it has gotten behind the cause of homosexuals and made homosexuals out to be victims of discrimination, and painted those who speak out against this type of perversion as bigots.
So yes, the homosexual agenda is a war on society and the family, but so was the free love movement and it's effects are still felt. So is the lax attitude in our society toward divorce, and the legal system set up to make divorce easy and to make it easy for children to be raised without much influence from their fathers. There are a lot of ways the family is being attacked. Homosexuality is one of the more shocking ways, but it is only one of many.
God gave herbs to man to eat at first. After the flood, he gave animals, just not the blood. Based on what God gave Noah, He gave Noah pork to eat, too. God had Israel not eat pork, but He did not give this law to the nations. In Leviticus 18, a man lying with a man as one does with a woman was among the sins for which God drove out Gentile nations from the land, so apparently this was a sin for Gentiles. And in Acts 15, the apostles and elders perceived that the Spirit would have them write a letter to the Gentiles in which they instructed them to abstain from things strangled and from blood (compare to God's covenant with Noah) from sexual immorality and from meat offered to idols. It seems likely they were pointing out what the Torah taught Gentiles. The Torah indicates it was a sin for Gentiles to engage in homosexual sex. Romans 1 also makes this clear. But it doesn't say they can't eat pork.
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Respect the right to be gay and right to live in peace.
Most gay people i know of are married to woman and have "some arrangement" often they are religious and covering it up and also in crime.
I think a problem is when the homosexuals rape those who are not homosexual which has happened a lot but is never written of.
Except there has been a few smaller articles.
On contrary I have had gay people hate on me.
Not sure why, but gays have hated me very much.
Why should one change bible to suit the desire of individuals.
Marry with pilot or captain or judge but should one marry in church and have it taking over catholic church........
When so many gay men take over a place and perhaps gang rape some one who is not homosexual.
It has happened and i know many men do not tell anyone of it or a precious few.
Happens to woman aswell.
Today at tavern the maid was telling of a big man who has had silicon and plastic surgery to look like a woman .
He is woman and man now as some days he dresses as woman others he is man.
everyone thinks he is woman perhaps untill you see his big hands.
He is married to a woman.
If they are respectful then no problem.
Another man had a gay man friend fall in love with him and he was straight as a whistle and it was not respected so the friend ship ended.
I am against it in vatican.
and truly upset things been going on there, much of which not be written of surely.
Theres a type of restraint where you can do bondage on someone and dominate there body so it does not look that way, it may look like there free will.
What if someone is forsed into gay marriage when they are not gay and raped for over 16 years.
Many homosexual people rape and get away with it as its not reported.
lust and love
It is wrong to bash up gay people.
Its wrong to abuse gay people.
But what if gay people abuse and bash.....
thats wrong as well.
No gay man or woman should be abused but many of them abuse and bully and one man told me theres nooooothing with having a gay man hate you he said and mentioned a incident and spreading false rumours at hair dressing salons and all over the place.
lies , fake rumours, gossip, bullying......immature behaviours by educated people is what he said.
You may dislike but i know of gay people be bad , bully, etc and to extreme
Also lots of gay people covering up that they are gay and doing crime and very bad things to cover it up.
Ruining lives of innocent people.
I do not beleive in gay marriages in church.
But i do beleive in right to have gay marriages or partnerships aswell as legal rights
and rights to be respected and not abused
But lately there has been a lot of gay rape going on to men who dont want it and are put in restraint.
I do not have positive experiences with gay people, they not been nice to me.
woman get raped by other woman also if they like what they see.
Most gay people i know of are married to woman and have "some arrangement" often they are religious and covering it up and also in crime.
I think a problem is when the homosexuals rape those who are not homosexual which has happened a lot but is never written of.
Except there has been a few smaller articles.
On contrary I have had gay people hate on me.
Not sure why, but gays have hated me very much.
Why should one change bible to suit the desire of individuals.
Marry with pilot or captain or judge but should one marry in church and have it taking over catholic church........
When so many gay men take over a place and perhaps gang rape some one who is not homosexual.
It has happened and i know many men do not tell anyone of it or a precious few.
Happens to woman aswell.
Today at tavern the maid was telling of a big man who has had silicon and plastic surgery to look like a woman .
He is woman and man now as some days he dresses as woman others he is man.
everyone thinks he is woman perhaps untill you see his big hands.
He is married to a woman.
If they are respectful then no problem.
Another man had a gay man friend fall in love with him and he was straight as a whistle and it was not respected so the friend ship ended.
I am against it in vatican.
and truly upset things been going on there, much of which not be written of surely.
Theres a type of restraint where you can do bondage on someone and dominate there body so it does not look that way, it may look like there free will.
What if someone is forsed into gay marriage when they are not gay and raped for over 16 years.
Many homosexual people rape and get away with it as its not reported.
lust and love
It is wrong to bash up gay people.
Its wrong to abuse gay people.
But what if gay people abuse and bash.....
thats wrong as well.
No gay man or woman should be abused but many of them abuse and bully and one man told me theres nooooothing with having a gay man hate you he said and mentioned a incident and spreading false rumours at hair dressing salons and all over the place.
lies , fake rumours, gossip, bullying......immature behaviours by educated people is what he said.
You may dislike but i know of gay people be bad , bully, etc and to extreme
Also lots of gay people covering up that they are gay and doing crime and very bad things to cover it up.
Ruining lives of innocent people.
I do not beleive in gay marriages in church.
But i do beleive in right to have gay marriages or partnerships aswell as legal rights
and rights to be respected and not abused
But lately there has been a lot of gay rape going on to men who dont want it and are put in restraint.
I do not have positive experiences with gay people, they not been nice to me.
woman get raped by other woman also if they like what they see.
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jinx
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Romans 1:8 says that because of their homosexual acts they received their punishment with in their bodies
in no place in the bible does it say that homosexuality is ok with GOD, that HE turns HIS head from their sin and still claim that they are HIS without repentance. That is not the GOD of the bible.
in no place in the bible does it say that homosexuality is ok with GOD, that HE turns HIS head from their sin and still claim that they are HIS without repentance. That is not the GOD of the bible.
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is texas one of those states? I love texas!!! wish I lived there!! Stupid Illinois
Oral is actually inclued in most anti sodomy laws as well as anal. so youre correct. But the act of sodomy itslf between a straight couple isnt sinful, so the act as a whole isnt. Just because one group you believe to be sinful participate in the act it doesnt invalidate the act itself.Like I said before ---- you have been decieved by Satan's manipulation of the modern-day definitions of words...
What you have said [above] is based on a modern - changed - definition -- which I believe is intended to create chaos and confusion - to attempt to cause people to disregard what the Bible says about it. ( The Bible says that [ all ] sodomy is a sin. )
Yes - a man can commit sodomy with a woman. And, because of that - it can be said that sodomy is not strictly a "gay thing"; however, you would be hard-pressed to convince me that sodomy is not the "distinguishing characteristic" of a "gay relationship"...
By definition - because of the specific nature of the activity - at least one man is always involved. And, by definition - the "receiving body part" ( male or female ) is always the same. Oral is not included.
This is the true definition of sodomy ( 'Anal' ). And, if you go back in time far enough - or examine the Bible closely enough - you will discover this to be the truth.
You may not presently agree with this - but - sometime between now and Judgment Day - you will.
It is not my intent to argue the point - so - we can simply "agree to disagree agreeably"...
