What are " conspiracy theorists " ?

[zone]

that is exactly what the 'critical theorists' claim to be doing in the study of sociology...for example...

"Critical social theory is, in contrast, a form of self-reflective knowledge involving both understanding and theoretical explanation to reduce entrapment in systems of domination or dependence, obeying the emancipatory interest in expanding the scope of autonomy and reducing the scope of domination."

is this not exactly what conspiracy theorists claim they are doing? freeing people from propagandistic intellectual 'systems of domination' and getting them to 'expand the scope of autonomy' by thinking for themselves?

some criticial theorists have even admitted and complained that conspiracy theorists are using their methods...

it is also funny that the word 'discernment' is used so much by defenders of conspiracy theory...

"The two meanings of critical theory — from different intellectual traditions associated with the meaning of criticism and critique—derive ultimately from the Greek word kritikos meaning judgment or discernment, and in their present forms go back to the 18th century."

conspiracy theory is 'discernment' the frankfurt way...surprise!

very clever.
but total rubbish.
what contortions you are putting yourself through.

it's amazing.

talk about a conspiracy theory!!

rachel, Israel did 9-11.
it was an inside job to sucker the US into the Middle East to kill and die and pay for everything.
its pretty obvious.

i suspect everyone at this point who has two brain cells to rub together who consistently denies corruption; gangsterism and conspiracies at the highest levels. particularly 9-11. after all this time...the fake osama bin laden trash...the humanitarian interventions in the Yinon Plan countries.

purleeze. the plans are available everywhere...drawn up decades ago! ROTFLMHO
give it up.

someone can say Watergate was a conspiracy....then not look at the players and follow their careers?
LOLOLOLOL

k.

 

[SarahM777]

For the record... the moon IS made of cheese.
: )

Swiss,cottage,or mozzarella? (I really hope it's mozzarella) That would be one really big pizza.

 

[RickShafer]

What are conspiracy theorists?
I dunno.
I'm a conspiracy factsist.
The term "conspiracy theory" was planted into the imagination of the masses who have been trained in group think by the power elite as a gate keeper for 'don't go there'.
It's a term of derision.
Who wants to be derided.
So - 'don't go there'. - That is the message.
- "Don't believe your lying eyes."
Don't say anything that might agitate the group.
Find your sector in the group and become one of them.
Don't stray outside the norm of your allotted sector.
That's group think. - You can't be a part of that if you are a 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST'.
That's the message anyway, (it's totally false of course).

 

[Elizabeth619]

Isaiah 8:12 tells us to be careful with conspiracies, and not to believe everything.

There is a huge difference between regurgitated propaganda and wisdom. Are some conspiracies true? Yes. Yet most are nothing more than theories with no factual evidence.

When it comes to believing certain theories it is also important we are not to slander others in the process. Lev 19:16

Ex 23:1 "Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.

If a conspiracy theory leads us to believe false assumptions about another without proof then as Christians we are to dismiss this theory. Believing certain things can lead a follower of Christ in a downward spiral of evil before they realize what is going on.

 

[DragonSlayer]

if you look hard enough and you are gullible enough you can find 'evidence' to support just about anything...likewise if you rationalize enough and you are stubborn enough you can reject any contradictory evidence no matter how decisive it is...

the problem with conspiracy theorists is that their evaluation of the evidence is not based on any objective standard of quality but rather on what they want to see...who they want to implicate and in what crimes...

Ok Rachel, I see you're totally lost in your one-sided dialogue you didn't even answer my question about 9-11 that means you are totally biased from the start for unknown reasons, and your reasonment isn't rational at all ! As we can see it clearly ! Clear thinking is the basis of truth ! And really you're talking an extremely confusing language !

 

[RickShafer]

Isaiah 8:12 tells us to be careful with conspiracies, and not to believe everything.

There is a huge difference between regurgitated propaganda and wisdom. Are some conspiracies true? Yes. Yet most are nothing more than theories with no factual evidence.

When it comes to believing certain theories it is also important we are not to slander others in the process. Lev 19:16

Ex 23:1 "Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.

If a conspiracy theory leads us to believe false assumptions about another without proof then as Christians we are to dismiss this theory. Believing certain things can lead a follower of Christ in a downward spiral of evil before they realize what is going on.

O.K. true enough.
But the same can be said for overlooking evil.
See the German citizens under the Third Reich, most were not part of the Nazi Party.
- (infact only a small minority were).
But the trains ran on time and their bellies were full, and it sure beat starvation.
So both extremes are true
1). Seeing evil in everything
2). Seeing evil in nothing
We are to be wise.
And we are to be harmless.
A wise man sees the evil ahead and averts his path, the fool goes on and is punished.

 

[Elizabeth619]

O.K. true enough.
But the same can be said for overlooking evil.
See the German citizens under the Third Reich, most were not part of the Nazi Party.
- (infact only a small minority were).
But the trains ran on time and their bellies were full, and it sure beat starvation.
So both extremes are true
1). Seeing evil in everything
2). Seeing evil in nothing
We are to be wise.
And we are to be harmless.
A wise man sees the evil ahead and averts his path, the fool goes on and is punished.

We are to discern and test everything. We should not take everything at face value, but believing our government is actual part of a reptilian race is a bit far fetched. Know what I mean Vern? (from Ernest)

 

[DragonSlayer]

Isaiah 8:12 tells us to be careful with conspiracies, and not to believe everything.

There is a huge difference between regurgitated propaganda and wisdom. Are some conspiracies true? Yes. Yet most are nothing more than theories with no factual evidence.

When it comes to believing certain theories it is also important we are not to slander others in the process. Lev 19:16

Ex 23:1 "Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.

If a conspiracy theory leads us to believe false assumptions about another without proof then as Christians we are to dismiss this theory. Believing certain things can lead a follower of Christ in a downward spiral of evil before they realize what is going on.

Well, the official version of 9-11 and the so-called NIST investigation on 9-11 were pretty good examples of " false reports " and helping " a wicked man by being a malicious witness " !
Don't you think ?

Btw, did you buy the official version of 9-11 ?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Well, the official version of 9-11 and the so-called NIST investigation on 9-11 were pretty good examples of " false reports " and helping " a wicked man by being a malicious witness " !
Don't you think ?

Btw, did you buy the official version of 9-11 ?

Where did I mention 9-11? Where did I state my view on whether 9-11 was an inside job or not?

 

[RickShafer]

We are to discern and test everything. We should not take everything at face value, but believing our government is actual part of a reptilian race is a bit far fetched. Know what I mean Vern? (from Ernest)

Yes.
That's why I don't, Verne.
These outlandish claims are promoted to make anyone questioning anything look crazy.
Politics 101.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Yes.
That's why I don't, Verne.
These outlandish claims are promoted to make anyone questioning anything look crazy.
Politics 101.

Some have truth. Many do not. If a conspiracy arises which could tempt me to reject authority(Which God commands us to submit to) then I have to take a step back and evaluate the situation.
Not everything in the world has a secret agenda behind it, BUT sometimes the obvious is in plain site and we don't even see it.

 

[DragonSlayer]

We are to discern and test everything. We should not take everything at face value, but believing our government is actual part of a reptilian race is a bit far fetched. Know what I mean Vern? (from Ernest)

I suspect the wicked perprs in the top of the pyramid infiltrated the truthers and spread false leads and false rumors among them to ridicule them ! Shape-shifting reptilians ? Really ? Any person with a minimal basis of clear thinking would immediately dismiss such a bad joke !

 

[Donkeyfish07]

The bottom line on it is.....what is logical and what has facts to back it up?.....whether you are pro or anti conspiracy....that should be the measuring stick. Anybody can attack and ridicule someone with different beliefs....The object of any type of research should be "what is the actual reality?".....All other opinions, beliefs, viewpoints are irrelevant....It's all about separating what is true from what is not true. That's the goal.

 

[RickShafer]

Some have truth. Many do not. If a conspiracy arises which could tempt me to reject authority(Which God commands us to submit to) then I have to take a step back and evaluate the situation.
Not everything in the world has a secret agenda behind it, BUT sometimes the obvious is in plain site and we don't even see it.

Do you mean obvious as in "the king has no clothes"?
Or obvious that he is arrayed in fine raiment?
I'm not talking about a person, I'm addressing the two types of attitudes that address their surroundings.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Where did I mention 9-11? Where did I state my view on whether 9-11 was an inside job or not?

Ok, I just asked you a question. Are you afraid to answer ?

 

[Elizabeth619]

I suspect the wicked perprs in the top of the pyramid infiltrated the truthers and spread false leads and false rumors among them to ridicule them ! Shape-shifting reptilians ? Really ? Any person with a minimal basis of clear thinking would immediately dismiss such a bad joke !

There are actually a few people on CC that believe it, and say they are Christian.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Ok, I just asked you a question. Are you afraid to answer ?

Nope. Not afraid to answer. I just don't want to get in a discussion on it. Planned or not I tend to show more compassion toward the victims of 9-11 no matter who was behind it.

I remember that day vividly. I watched the second plane hit the WTC on TV. It was horrible. All I could think about are all those people who lost their lives. That's all I can think about. Was it an inside job? I cannot factually say, but I refuse to be so insensitive to point fingers at who did it rather than mourn that it was done.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Some have truth. Many do not. If a conspiracy arises which could tempt me to reject authority(Which God commands us to submit to) then I have to take a step back and evaluate the situation.
Not everything in the world has a secret agenda behind it, BUT sometimes the obvious is in plain site and we don't even see it.

God never told us to submit to corrupt authority ! In fact, He told us the exact opposite ! He told us to resist corrupt authority : " And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, Saying, Did not we straightly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men. " Acts 5: 27-29 ( KJV )


" Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
11 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

Daniel 3:10-18 (KJV)

How convenient it is for perprs in the top of the pyramid to totally twist the Scriptures in their advantage and to tell people the Lord would have told them to submit to them !

Utmost disgusting !

 

[DragonSlayer]

Nope. Not afraid to answer. I just don't want to get in a discussion on it. Planned or not I tend to show more compassion toward the victims of 9-11 no matter who was behind it.

I remember that day vividly. I watched the second plane hit the WTC on TV. It was horrible. All I could think about are all those people who lost their lives. That's all I can think about. Was it an inside job? I cannot factually say, but I refuse to be so insensitive to point fingers at who did it rather than mourn that it was done.

Elizabeth ! Please understand that if it was truly an inside job, they'll do it again, and we'll have more victims to mourn ! Those extremely wicked individuals have to be stopped ! The sooner the better ! Besides, the families of the victims deserve to know who did this to their loved ones ! They deserve a proper investigation to be done !

 

[Elizabeth619]

God never told us to submit to corrupt authority ! In fact, He told us the exact opposite ! He told us to resist corrupt authority : " And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,Saying, Did not we straightly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men. " Acts 5: 27-29 ( KJV )


" Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
11 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

Daniel 3:10-18 (KJV)

How convenient it is for perprs in the top of the pyramid to totally twist the Scriptures in their advantage and to tell people the Lord would have told them to submit to them !

Utmost disgusting !

I know what God told us to do. I also know we are to obey God over man. I also know that we are to submit to authority that was appointed by God. Not ASSUME that there is a secret agenda when there is not factual evidence of the sort.
If there is proof they are behaving in an ungodly where to our faith is under attack then we are to stand against it.

This doesn't mean assuming they are doing something wrong, but KNOWING it.