whats your opinion on atheism ?
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You just said its ok to tell your children that god exists even if you can't prove it in your previous post. I'm sorry if your gonna say you interpret differently, but next time be clear? I thought from what you said that you were telling them god exists, no proof required. I apologize, but you must be clear next time.
As long as you say you think and what not, that's fine. Just misread your statement
As long as you say you think and what not, that's fine. Just misread your statement
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No it was more of a defense for others that do that with their own children. I can't impose my beliefs on anyone even my kids, I can only share my faith and testimony and if that leads one to Christ then Praise God. But I will not impose a you believe this because I say so attitude especialy with my kids.
I only tell them like I said before I think and this is what the bible says approach. It is up to them to decide, we all have a choice. It seems to be quite a common thing to find one that has been brought up in the church and decides to leave while more and more I seem to hear about others that Christ found later in life having no previous association with a church. But it's still hard for me to fathom a disbelief such as your own. Like big bang and evolution. I just reject it as you reject God.
I only tell them like I said before I think and this is what the bible says approach. It is up to them to decide, we all have a choice. It seems to be quite a common thing to find one that has been brought up in the church and decides to leave while more and more I seem to hear about others that Christ found later in life having no previous association with a church. But it's still hard for me to fathom a disbelief such as your own. Like big bang and evolution. I just reject it as you reject God.
But the difference is your reject those out of ignorance of the knowledge. If you reject it, it's because you don't understand it because it has been proven without a doubt for the scientific community is an observable demonstrable theory.
You have the right to reject facts, you also have the right to be wrong
You have the right to reject facts, you also have the right to be wrong
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Those things were never proven either evolution and big bang ...... (life can not generate from non-living matter. But look what you got me doing getting into crap I don't want to do. I respect your beliefs or uhm scuse me lack of belief, but I must not dig this deeper. So far I've been called ignorant and a bad mother subtly but still there. I'm not mad but just can't go on it seems you want to impose your belief on me because I'm ignorant and wrong and a bad mom so ..........this is where I leave it my friend. Because I choose to gain knowlage of moral and spiritual value and not scientific I'm the way I am. I believe in God, I love Jesus. And I am NOT ashamed. Bless you.
Alright look im going to state this once and will not respond back to this issue again.
Evolution and the big bang are not beliefs, they are accurate scientific theories based on the best available evidence we have. I don't care what you believe, i only care if people accept scientific theories that can be backed up. If you don't and can't explain why, then i call you ignorant and move on. Now i'm not calling you ignorant because it seems to me you don't really understand evolution and the big bang and i'd advise you to do some more research for what you don't know.
Also we can demonstrate life from non-life, again you can research this because from what you've posted so far, it just appears you don't understand what the topic is about. You'd only be ignorant if you deny it without ever trying to find out about it.
I didn't call you a bad mother, i thought you said you taught your children that god does exist and blah blah. I misread and i already apologized for that.
I haven't imposed any beliefs on you, i've discussed my disbeliefs and challenge the beliefs. I'm certainly not preaching as the dark ages of christianity has, i'd like to discuss why you believe what you do, but from what i know, most of it is faith and unwilling to search for an alternative.
Now i really hope you understand cause i don't wanna go back to this
Evolution and the big bang are not beliefs, they are accurate scientific theories based on the best available evidence we have. I don't care what you believe, i only care if people accept scientific theories that can be backed up. If you don't and can't explain why, then i call you ignorant and move on. Now i'm not calling you ignorant because it seems to me you don't really understand evolution and the big bang and i'd advise you to do some more research for what you don't know.
Also we can demonstrate life from non-life, again you can research this because from what you've posted so far, it just appears you don't understand what the topic is about. You'd only be ignorant if you deny it without ever trying to find out about it.
I didn't call you a bad mother, i thought you said you taught your children that god does exist and blah blah. I misread and i already apologized for that.
I haven't imposed any beliefs on you, i've discussed my disbeliefs and challenge the beliefs. I'm certainly not preaching as the dark ages of christianity has, i'd like to discuss why you believe what you do, but from what i know, most of it is faith and unwilling to search for an alternative.
Now i really hope you understand cause i don't wanna go back to this
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That was like the 2nd time you have referred to me as ignorant. Would it be accurate to say you are ignorant to my belief as well. Listen if all that was actually proven it wouldn't be theory just like intelligent design. Lets say life did come from non-matter ok......1 why are we the only ones that have intelligence? 2 - How does it explain ALL creatures under the sun. Did this nonmatter produce all life forms at once? I apologize for being defensive but my experience with those like you has always been lets drop the ignorant name that'll get to her...... It's offensive to be called that....and because I'm a bible thumper I'm also intolerant biggotted, homophobic....blah blah blah everything nasty If these things were proven I think everyone would denounce God. He wouldn't be around because He would be disproved. right? I have never called you direct names such as ignorant do I not deserve the same respect my friend?
Thank you Homeward for your words. I feel I must applaude that.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them...
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Amen!
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them...
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Amen!
Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psalm 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
And this is all done today for us by Christ, and so as David for saw is here today
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name
Thank you back and bless his Holy name by which we are saved by belief, not any works otherwise we would have something to boast about but not before God
And by what you just said tells me you know there is God and that God is real, when the time comes there will be no excuse
[h=3]Romans 1:19-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
I know down deep you believe God, but you have been ruffled by those that claim belief and have seen their fake ways acting as if they believe and really do not. I see more love of God coming out from you than those that basically say look at me in front of everyone and behind closed doors are not believers, worshipping with their lips, and hearts are far from God.
tell me, can you harm me is it in you to harm others in actuality? I know we can all get mad at others, but when the rubber hits the road can you harm that person that has done you wrong
There is a story of King David before he was King, when Saul was King and was against David. David running and hiding from King Saul. Now God put King Saul in front of David, and gave David the opportunity to kill King Saul.
What did David do, he couldn't do it why? because of the Love that God put in him, by David making the choice in believing God.
So your choice and if it is not in you to steal, kill, lie and or cheat, then you are of God, whether you like it or not.
I see what you are against and it is the people that claim to be of God and are not
Just what I see
Thank you for your honesty
[h=3]Romans 1:19-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
I know down deep you believe God, but you have been ruffled by those that claim belief and have seen their fake ways acting as if they believe and really do not. I see more love of God coming out from you than those that basically say look at me in front of everyone and behind closed doors are not believers, worshipping with their lips, and hearts are far from God.
tell me, can you harm me is it in you to harm others in actuality? I know we can all get mad at others, but when the rubber hits the road can you harm that person that has done you wrong
There is a story of King David before he was King, when Saul was King and was against David. David running and hiding from King Saul. Now God put King Saul in front of David, and gave David the opportunity to kill King Saul.
What did David do, he couldn't do it why? because of the Love that God put in him, by David making the choice in believing God.
So your choice and if it is not in you to steal, kill, lie and or cheat, then you are of God, whether you like it or not.
I see what you are against and it is the people that claim to be of God and are not
Just what I see
Thank you for your honesty
Faith can be used for evidence for literally anything then. The spaghetti monster (i keep mentioning it cause im hungry and i got no food 
) for example.
Like i said before, yes i can't right now see the air i breathe in, but if i REALLY wanted to, i can get a powerful microscope that can allow me to few the atoms of the air. So i have a tool to ciew the air i breathe, i no longer need faith for it.
God on the other hand, only requires faith, which is belief without evidence, and has no tool to truly know it's there. That's the difference between faith and actual evidence.
The air is a great example of objective evidence because even if i wasn't here, it still would be
) for example.Like i said before, yes i can't right now see the air i breathe in, but if i REALLY wanted to, i can get a powerful microscope that can allow me to few the atoms of the air. So i have a tool to ciew the air i breathe, i no longer need faith for it.
God on the other hand, only requires faith, which is belief without evidence, and has no tool to truly know it's there. That's the difference between faith and actual evidence.
The air is a great example of objective evidence because even if i wasn't here, it still would be
Amazing he did all those miracles witnessed by all those people back then, not all came to belief, just as when the Israelites were delivered from Egypt, even though God miraculously fed them.
There will no other signs given. It is finished and either one believes God or does not. I could show many scriptures to you, but you chose for me to say how and why I believe. I have presented facts of the past to you, and it is up to you, not me whether you choose belief or not. This is what free choice from God the creator is all about.
To have free choice is proof to me that God does love me, without free choice, I would be a puppet, controlled by the creator and to be that would not be love in its truest form.
All things are permissible, yet not all things are beneficial.
So what that means to me is if I lie is that beneficial to me, then I decide what is right and not lie. I had a person say to me one time after I told them the truth of not liking this or that. They said Oh!!!!!!!!! Howard how can you.
I said so you would rather me lie? That was the end of that lie form our raising, using love your neighbor as yourself, justifying lying by we don't want to hurt our neighbor, so we lie and say we like something that we do not in supposed I am loving my neighbor as myself.
Wrong, why not tell the truth in all things, if one does then there aren't any notes to back and check to keep up the tangled web one has made through deceit
An old saying of my Mom's oh what a tangled web we weave when one sets out to deceive.
I am so elated over your honesty and considerations I have seen in your posts.
Thank you
And God is opposite of this world and the world opposite of God. The world demands tangible evidence, where God has already shown this in more ways than one.
So today it is Believe, see, and then receive. Where as the world is see, then I will believe and work to receive
Since nothing here on this earth can fill my heart to satisfaction, then maybe I am made for a different place? Hmmm!!!!!!!!!!! heaven maybe
So today it is Believe, see, and then receive. Where as the world is see, then I will believe and work to receive
Since nothing here on this earth can fill my heart to satisfaction, then maybe I am made for a different place? Hmmm!!!!!!!!!!! heaven maybe
My Faith is in God the creator of all, best shown to me by Christ through the cross, reception of new life came to me by the resurrection, not the death. I had to first see what the death was for and why, since Christ himself had no need of it for himself?
That is what always amazed me and still does he went to his death willingly. Why? There was no need for him to do this for himself was there.
Who in the world here would willingly go to their death and not fight to stop it. You are getting whipped, cuts open on your back, how many of us would turn and deny God to keep from this harm that was happening. Who did he do this for?
That is what always amazed me and still does he went to his death willingly. Why? There was no need for him to do this for himself was there.
Who in the world here would willingly go to their death and not fight to stop it. You are getting whipped, cuts open on your back, how many of us would turn and deny God to keep from this harm that was happening. Who did he do this for?