ENOCH ( A introduction )

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nathan3

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[size=+1](((( The book of Enoch should be read by all Christians.. It's not that easy to explain the book of Enoch. The first thing you need to realize is there are several different copies of the book of Enoch out there and the one you want to read is called
"Enoch 1 or Enoch I" ;This is the one that is cannon in Ethiopian Christian Churches.

As far as which parts are legit? Personally the entire book called """Enoch I or Enoch 1 ,is legitimate."""""

the other book of Enoch there are gnostic teachings within it that are so far out of sync with the Bible that they are most likely Not part of God's word ))))



The Book of Enoch introduction

June 24th, 2013


We first learn of Enoch in Genesis 5 but it leaves us with questions. Hebrews 11 has the answers and Jude quotes Enoch! How did Jude come to know the words of Enoch? They are not in the Bible. The answer of course, is The Book of Enoch. A book which is actually quoted not only by Jude, but also James the natural brother of Jesus. The quote in (Jude 14-15) & (1 Enoch 1:9) is as follows: “In the seventh (generation) from Adam Enoch also prophesied these things, saying: ‘Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners spoke against him’.”

What is the Book of Enoch and where did it come from?
Enoch was the grandfather of Noah. The Book of Enoch chapter 68:1 “And after that my grandfather Enoch gave me all the secrets in the book and in the parables which had been given to him, and he put them together for me in the words of the book of the parables.” This makes it possible for the Book to have survived the flood as its not too hard to accept that Noah would have taken his Great Grandfathers writings with him onto the ark.

The Book of Enoch was extant centuries before the birth of Christ and yet is considered by many to be more Christian in its theology than Jewish. It was considered scripture by many early Christians. The earliest literature of the so-called “Church Fathers” is filled with references to this mysterious book. The early second century “Epistle of Barnabus” makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and Third Century “Church Fathers” like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origin and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch. Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch “Holy Scripture”. The Ethiopic Church even added the Book of Enoch to its official canon. It was widely known and read the first three centuries after Christ. This and many other books became discredited after the Council of Laodicea. And being under ban of the authorities, afterwards it gradually passed out of circulation.

At about the time of the Protestant Reformation, there came to be a renewed interest in the Book of Enoch which had long since been lost to the modern world. By the late 1400′s rumors began to spread that somewhere a copy of the long lost Book of Enoch might still exist. During this time many books arose claiming to be the long lost book and were later found to be forgeries. The return of the long lost Book of Enoch to the modern western world is credited to the famous explorer James Bruce, who in 1773 returned from six years in Abyssinia with three Ethiopic copies of the lost book. In 1821 Richard Laurence published the first English translation. The famous R.H. Charles edition was published in 1912. In the following years several portions of the Greek text surfaced. Then with the discovery of cave 4 of the Dead Sea Scrolls, seven fragmentary copies of the Aramaic text were discovered.

The Book of Enoch is divided into five basic parts, but it is the The Book of Parables (37-71) which gives scholars the most trouble for it is primarily concerned with a figure called “the messiah”; “the righteous one”; “the chosen one” and “the son of man.” Chapter 46:1-2, There I beheld the Ancient of days whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of a man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was; and why he accompanied the Ancient of days. He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwealt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.”

The opening verses of the Book of Enoch tell us that the revelations in this book were not meant for Enoch’s generation, rather a remote generation, and of course the book would make more sense to the generations after Christ. We know that the early Church made use of the Book of Enoch, but it was then all but lost, until recent times. Perhaps this book was meant for our generation, as it is widely available today after being concealed for over a millennia. (Enoch 1:1-3) The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come.
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Shiloah

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Why do you believe Enoch 1 is genuine for sure? I'm actually not saying you're wrong at all. I'm just curious. Thanks! This is an interesting subject.
 
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nathan3

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Why do you believe Enoch 1 is genuine for sure? I'm actually not saying you're wrong at all. I'm just curious. Thanks! This is an interesting subject.
I know its genuine because, I am familiar with what is in the Bible, and I am familiar with what Enoch teaches: They both have the same warnings. I would read Enoch 1 or I.
If your not familiar with what is talked about in the Bible about what is covered in Enoch 1/I then Enoch will get you up to speed and then you can perhaps better recognize what is written in the Bible about, what is covered in Enoch 1/I and visa versa .
 
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nathan3

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To :Shiloah......

I should probably post teachings from the Bible along side Enoch. Then maybe you can see the similarity .

Give me some time to do that.
 
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OwenHeidenreich

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5. Therefore shall ye execrate your days,
And the years of your life shall perish,
And the years of your destruction shall be multiplied in eternal execration,
And ye shall find no mercy.

This is why I don't think it is authentic. Eternal damnation was not spoken of by any of the early prophets, and if Enoch spoke of it, I am 100% positive that all the other prophets would have too.

100% positive because of this verse, amos 3:7

7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

So this verse clearly says he reveals his secret to his prophets, but the secret of eternal hell isn't revealed until sometime during the writing of the psalms, maybe a little before that. but moses never said one thing about it, and he was a major prophet. I am almost sure that God should have clearly warned them about eternal hell... as it is a pretttyyy big deal....


 
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To :Shiloah......

I should probably post teachings from the Bible along side Enoch. Then maybe you can see the similarity .

Give me some time to do that.

brother nathan3...

i have read the Book of Enoch many times... i have read the Ethiopian version which is the known as The Book of Enoch 1 and the Slavonic version which is known as The Book of the Secrets of Enoch 2...

here is a paste to the Book of Enoch 1 for those who wish to read it... http://www.forbiddengate.com/BookOfEnoch.pdf

it is very interesting... won't say much now until those who wish to read it and wish to comment on it....
 
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5. Therefore shall ye execrate your days,
And the years of your life shall perish,
And the years of your destruction shall be multiplied in eternal execration,
And ye shall find no mercy.

This is why I don't think it is authentic. Eternal damnation was not spoken of by any of the early prophets, and if Enoch spoke of it, I am 100% positive that all the other prophets would have too.

100% positive because of this verse, amos 3:7

7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

So this verse clearly says he reveals his secret to his prophets, but the secret of eternal hell isn't revealed until sometime during the writing of the psalms, maybe a little before that. but moses never said one thing about it, and he was a major prophet. I am almost sure that God should have clearly warned them about eternal hell... as it is a pretttyyy big deal....



brother OwenHeidenreich...

GOD has shown EVERY PROPHET from Genesis to Revelation... the BEGINNING TO OUR ENDING... from EVERY major prophet to every minor prophet and to EVERY TRULY HOLY SPIRIT FILLED BELIEVER...
 

oldhermit

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The book of Mormon contains many things from the Bible as well. That certainly does not make it an inspired document.
 
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brother OwenHeidenreich...

GOD has shown EVERY PROPHET from Genesis to Revelation... the BEGINNING TO OUR ENDING... from EVERY major prophet to every minor prophet and to EVERY TRULY HOLY SPIRIT FILLED BELIEVER...
The first time hell is mentioned is Isaiah 66:24 reads: "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

other than that, the fire imagery of tortued burning bodies for ever and ever isnt mentioned at all until, of course, isaiah 66:24
 
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enoch1nine

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5. Therefore shall ye execrate your days,
And the years of your life shall perish,
And the years of your destruction shall be multiplied in eternal execration,
And ye shall find no mercy.
This is referring to a person remembering their own bad or worthless ways that they wasted their life and hurt others.
Same as Isaiah 66:24

eternal hell ... but moses never said one thing about it
Ah, but he did indeed brother!
Exodus 32:32 - he told God he'd take the hit if such a thing even existed.
Numbers 19 - the sacrifice of the red heifer is for a person who hasn't fallen for it yet, to stop struggling with it.
The ashes are to clean those who fell for it.
 
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OwenHeidenreich

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This is referring to a person remembering their own bad or worthless ways that they wasted their life and hurt others.
Same as Isaiah 66:24



Ah, but he did indeed brother!
Exodus 32:32 - he told God he'd take the hit if such a thing even existed.
Numbers 19 - the sacrifice of the red heifer is for a person who hasn't fallen for it yet, to stop struggling with it.
The ashes are to clean those who fell for it.
Look up the word execration, and eternal.

those are the words mentioned in the "book of enoch" ...so whoever wrote this is clearly talking about the hell as we view it today, in american modern times.

So you say that isaiah 66:24 isn't talking about hell, but exodus 32:32 is?

Getting blotted out of the book of life simply means that Moses would die (hence the opposite of life is death)

Death isn't mentioned as actually being alive in a fire pit during moses' time. So if Enoch mentions it but Moses never knew about it, why would God leave out such an important thing?
 
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nathan3

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Just a reminder these scriptures :

Jude 1:

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.



Enoch 1:
9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the book of enoch is full of falsehoods...its only real use to a christian is for historical background...as an example of the kind of false teaching that was going around in biblical times...the type of false teaching that jesus and the apostles often had to deal with...
 
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nathan3

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5. Therefore shall ye execrate your days,
And the years of your life shall perish,
And the years of your destruction shall be multiplied in eternal execration,
And ye shall find no mercy.

This is why I don't think it is authentic. Eternal damnation was not spoken of by any of the early prophets, and if Enoch spoke of it, I am 100% positive that all the other prophets would have too.

100% positive because of this verse, amos 3:7

7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

So this verse clearly says he reveals his secret to his prophets, but the secret of eternal hell isn't revealed until sometime during the writing of the psalms, maybe a little before that. but moses never said one thing about it, and he was a major prophet. I am almost sure that God should have clearly warned them about eternal hell... as it is a pretttyyy big deal....


I think it would be premature in a way. Not that they did not know. But Moses was just getting these commandments... And Enoch's writings as it states is for the end times. The generations living in the end times.

So no mystery that Enoch would mention many things not mentioned by some, prophets . Also God send the prophets and apostles to do whatever work, or to deliver whatever message He wanted them for His purposes.

But, we, living in these end times, are blessed, that we can open up the Word of God and read about all God's words. Weather from Enoch, Moses or Paul and Christ words themselves . Nothing is left out. They might not have heard many things from Moses. But we, may not have heard some things from Moses, but we hear them from Noah and Christ, or even Noah's grandfather Enoch.
 
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nathan3

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the book of enoch is full of falsehoods...its only real use to a christian is for historical background...as an example of the kind of false teaching that was going around in biblical times...the type of false teaching that jesus and the apostles often had to deal with...
You probably read the the Non - Ethiopian cannon . If you have read Enoch 1. Then I think you might have 2nd thoughts.

But, since this is a forum. you should mention the verse From Enoch 1/I that you think does not agree with the scriptures so we can address that .

This Thread is about Enoch I/1 not the other ones.
 

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Just a reminder these scriptures :

Jude 1:

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.



Enoch 1:
9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
What we have today that is called the "Book of Enoch" has nothing to do with anything inspired. All that Jude is telling us about Enoch in this verse is simply that he prophesied. This does not mean that Enoch ever produced anything in the way of any kind of a written text. In fact, it would be more than a 1000 after years Enoch before any language was put down in written form. This was probably done by the Arkadians. It is possible that this may have been preserved through oral tradition, but this seems unlikely since this prophesy does not appear in any manuscripts of Jewish antiquity prior to the letter of Jude. Since we have no manuscript evidence that records anything Enoch ever said, (at least none of which I am aware) the only way Jude could have known that Enoch had given this prophesy would have been through inspiration. The Holy Spirit had to have revealed it to him. Remember, the Holy Spirit, not Jude is responsible for the content of this letter.
 
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nathan3

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What we have today that is called the "Book of Enoch" has nothing to do with anything inspired. All that Jude is telling us about Enoch in this verse is simply that he prophesied. This does not mean that Enoch ever produced anything in the way of any kind of a written text. In fact, it would be more than a 1000 after years Enoch before any language was put down in written form. This was probably done by the Arkadians. It is possible that this may have been preserved through oral tradition, but this seems unlikely since this prophesy does not appear in any manuscripts of Jewish antiquity prior to the letter of Jude. Since we have no manuscript evidence that records anything Enoch ever said, (at least none of which I am aware) the only way Jude could have known that Enoch had given this prophesy would have been through inspiration. The Holy Spirit had to have revealed it to him. Remember, the Holy Spirit, not Jude is responsible for the content of this letter.
A lot of it might have been oral. But, like the article states ,,, there are manuscripts. One being in the dead sea scrolls. Those writings probably date near the time of Christ if not before. And , they are just as what we have today. In the book known as Enoch I.

Again, lets not just say blanket statements here. If you believe it is not inspired. Present to the forum, from ""Enoch I/1""" what in fact, you feel that Enoch said that is not inspired. ?

Then we can search the Bible to see if it is inspired or no.
 
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nathan3

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brother nathan3...

i have read the Book of Enoch many times... i have read the Ethiopian version which is the known as The Book of Enoch 1 and the Slavonic version which is known as The Book of the Secrets of Enoch 2...

here is a paste to the Book of Enoch 1 for those who wish to read it... http://www.forbiddengate.com/BookOfEnoch.pdf

it is very interesting... won't say much now until those who wish to read it and wish to comment on it....
Hmm. Well im in talks with people in the know. And they are getting back to me, to make sure I have a legitimate copy of Enoch I . I am sure they will be aware of a good translation I should read. So cant say much for the link you posted just yet. But thanks .
 
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OwenHeidenreich

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I think it would be premature in a way. Not that they did not know. But Moses was just getting these commandments...
Premature? if Gods punishment for sin was eternal hell, I am pretty sure God would have told every single prophet, as that is a very BIG punishment. A lot of people would need to know what they are going against if they begin to stray away from God. look at amos 3:7,

God did not reveal an eternal hell to Moses, the MAJOR prophet of the old testament, yet

the Lord says he reveals his counsel or secret or private to the prophets. So if Eternal Hell was a big "secret" then God would have revealed it to Moses.

but God didnt.

The writer of Enoch mentions Eternal hell but Moses doesnt?
 
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nathan3

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Premature? if Gods punishment for sin was eternal hell, I am pretty sure God would have told every single prophet, as that is a very BIG punishment. A lot of people would need to know what they are going against if they begin to stray away from God. look at amos 3:7,

God did not reveal an eternal hell to Moses, the MAJOR prophet of the old testament, yet

the Lord says he reveals his counsel or secret or private to the prophets. So if Eternal Hell was a big "secret" then God would have revealed it to Moses.

but God didnt.

The writer of Enoch mentions Eternal hell but Moses doesnt?
Think about it this way, Would it be fair, to Judge people to hell, before, they had the blessedness, to accept Christ ?

Seeing that it was not written there where Moses is mentioned. Does that then mean, all the people that sinned at that time would be sent to hell ?

What I think it shows, is that God has a time and place for everything, and when people are ready for What God would have them know...

And weather or not hell is mentioned by who when. Is of little consequence in figuring if the book of Enoch I is inspired or not.

Oh\f which I believe Enoch I is 100% Biblical .
 
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