Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?
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just-me > You said ..
NOT this following "modified" statement > .. How can I be in disagreement with the article I presented? It clearly states they (gentiles) were among the Jews.
I then proceeded to point out EXACTLY what your posted link stated. Yeah ... I read it to familiarize myself with your source. Here it is again.
Frankly, I find your latest response to me disingenuous, misleading, dishonest and evasive. Much like the direct questions posed to all likeminded as you in this thread, a straight and forthcoming answer is never given ...i.e ... "circumcision". Rather, a "re-directional response" is what one can expect to see. It's your boat friend. You float in it.
We do now. 
I believe the Bereans were Gentiles and didn't have the New Testament to confirm what they heard from Paul to be true.
"Berea lies within the ancient region of Macedonia. Scripture confirms that a Jewish community—large enough to have built a synagogue—lived within the city, even though it was within a Gentile nation." Taken from: The Berean Example
I believe the Bereans were Gentiles and didn't have the New Testament to confirm what they heard from Paul to be true."Berea lies within the ancient region of Macedonia. Scripture confirms that a Jewish community—large enough to have built a synagogue—lived within the city, even though it was within a Gentile nation." Taken from: The Berean Example
I then proceeded to point out EXACTLY what your posted link stated. Yeah ... I read it to familiarize myself with your source. Here it is again.
Frankly, I find your latest response to me disingenuous, misleading, dishonest and evasive. Much like the direct questions posed to all likeminded as you in this thread, a straight and forthcoming answer is never given ...i.e ... "circumcision". Rather, a "re-directional response" is what one can expect to see. It's your boat friend. You float in it.
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Why don;t you study the nt.
Physical circumcision does not make us clean. It is a SYMBOL.
we are cleansed by the hands of God. if you think you can clean yourself by obeying the commands your in serious trouble.
And you all wonder why people get so confused by your teachings? You say one thing one minute, then another thing the other minute.
col 2: 11 - 12 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body 8of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Circumcision avails nothing. If your going to go back to law. your indebted to follow the whole law. this is what the NT teaches!
We need to be circucmised by God not men.
Study galations. You are teaching a different Gospel. because your teaching the same gospel they taught!
Why don;t you study the nt.
Physical circumcision does not make us clean. It is a SYMBOL.
we are cleansed by the hands of God. if you think you can clean yourself by obeying the commands your in serious trouble.
And you all wonder why people get so confused by your teachings? You say one thing one minute, then another thing the other minute.
col 2: 11 - 12 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body 8of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Circumcision avails nothing. If your going to go back to law. your indebted to follow the whole law. this is what the NT teaches!
We need to be circucmised by God not men.
Study galations. You are teaching a different Gospel. because your teaching the same gospel they taught!
The entire point in the beginning of this subject was that it was said that the Gentiles didn't have the Old Testament. I gave a website as a link to say that the Bereans were gentile and they did have the writings of the Old Testament.
This is what you highlight; Timothy and the early converts among the Jewish Bereans. Luke labels these Gentiles as "prominent" or honorable men and women. They may have been wealthy and well-respected members of the community, people who had all the creature comforts they might need.
This is what I highlight; Timothy and the early converts among the Jewish Bereans. Luke labels these Gentiles as "prominent" or honorable men and women. They may have been wealthy and well-respected members of the community, people who had all the creature comforts they might need.
I cannot accept your accusations that I am disingenuous, misleading, dishonest and evasive.
See and don't believe it. Your choice.
This is what you highlight; Timothy and the early converts among the Jewish Bereans. Luke labels these Gentiles as "prominent" or honorable men and women. They may have been wealthy and well-respected members of the community, people who had all the creature comforts they might need.
This is what I highlight; Timothy and the early converts among the Jewish Bereans. Luke labels these Gentiles as "prominent" or honorable men and women. They may have been wealthy and well-respected members of the community, people who had all the creature comforts they might need.
I cannot accept your accusations that I am disingenuous, misleading, dishonest and evasive.
See and don't believe it. Your choice.
For those of you who want to know what post #285 is about, I submit this scripture;
Acts 17:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
#248 is where it started. Frankly, I really don't know what the point was except to insinuate that the Gentiles were not privy to the Old Testament.
Acts 17:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
#248 is where it started. Frankly, I really don't know what the point was except to insinuate that the Gentiles were not privy to the Old Testament.
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Here is your link in it's entirety. You are inferring that the "Bereans" referred to in biblical context (as we all know them) were gentiles. Misleading as misleading can be. Those who care to read your link will see for themselves. Nobody is suggesting that some gentiles from the city of Berea didn't come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. But your misleading insinuations and slight of hand are evident to me.
The Berean Example
by Staff
Forerunner, November 2000
Sitting nestled on the eastern slope of the Olympian mountain range, at the foot of Mount Bermius in Greece, is the city of Verria or Kara-Verria. A few insignificant ruins from the Greek and Roman periods are scattered throughout the vicinity. Today, thirty thousand people live in this ancient city, through which streams of water flow along its streets. Water has had a prevalent influence on the town because of its abundance. In fact, the city's ancient name is thought to be derived from this very factor.Most of us would probably recognize this city by a much different name than its modern one. The Bible mentions its name only a few times, but we tend to remember it for the attitude of its people, who, during the ministry of the apostle Paul, were real students of God's Word and His way of life. Anciently, the town's name was Bercea, or as is better known, Berea.Acts 17:10-13 and Acts 20:4 are the only places that mention the city of Berea, and the latter reference merely associates Sopater, one of Paul's companions, with the city. As any biblical student knows, it is the Berean's approach to the Scripture and their response to it that makes them an interesting study.
A Special People
The Berean Example
by Staff
Forerunner, November 2000
Sitting nestled on the eastern slope of the Olympian mountain range, at the foot of Mount Bermius in Greece, is the city of Verria or Kara-Verria. A few insignificant ruins from the Greek and Roman periods are scattered throughout the vicinity. Today, thirty thousand people live in this ancient city, through which streams of water flow along its streets. Water has had a prevalent influence on the town because of its abundance. In fact, the city's ancient name is thought to be derived from this very factor.Most of us would probably recognize this city by a much different name than its modern one. The Bible mentions its name only a few times, but we tend to remember it for the attitude of its people, who, during the ministry of the apostle Paul, were real students of God's Word and His way of life. Anciently, the town's name was Bercea, or as is better known, Berea.Acts 17:10-13 and Acts 20:4 are the only places that mention the city of Berea, and the latter reference merely associates Sopater, one of Paul's companions, with the city. As any biblical student knows, it is the Berean's approach to the Scripture and their response to it that makes them an interesting study.
A Special People
Just who were the Bereans, and what makes them special enough to consider them as notable disciples of the truth of God? Acts 17:10-13 tells their story:
Searching the Scriptures DailyThen the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men. But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
Berea lies within the ancient region of Macedonia. Scripture confirms that a Jewish community—large enough to have built a synagogue—lived within the city, even though it was within a Gentile nation. On his second "missionary" journey, following the council in Jerusalem, the apostle Paul came to Berea to preach, after proclaiming the gospel in places like Philippi and Thessalonica.What is it, though, that made the Bereans so special? Commentator Matthew Henry writes, regarding the Bereans:They had a freer thought, and lay more open to conviction, were willing to hear reason, and admit the force of it, and to subscribe to that which appeared to them to be truth, though it was contrary to their former sentiments. This was more noble.They had a better temper, were not so sour, and morose, and ill conditioned towards all that were not of their mind. As they were ready to come into a unity with those that by the power of truth they were brought to concur with, so they continued in charity with those that they saw cause to differ from. This was more noble. They neither prejudged the cause, nor were moved with envy at the managers of it, as the Jews at Thessalonica were, but very generously gave both it and them a fair hearing, without passion or partiality. (Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible, p. 2141)
We first see that they were more fair-minded (noble, KJV) than the Jews of Thessalonica. What does it mean to be fair-minded or noble? The Greek word used in Acts is eugenesteroi, which comes from eugenes, from which we derive the personal name "Eugene." Originally, it meant "wellborn" and implied nobility. Later, it described those of a generous spirit, who are open-minded toward truth, not prejudiced, hostile or suspicious of others, but give others a fair hearing. The Bereans are considered as noble because they listened to the preaching of the gospel with open hearts as they pursued God and His whole truth.We also see that they received the Word with "readiness" or eagerness. The Greek word, prothumos, suggests that they looked into the Scriptures with enthusiasm, eagerness, and zeal. The Greek paints a word-picture of a ravenously hungry man who devours the food set before him or an extremely thirsty man who is finally given something to drink. The Bereans were full of enthusiasm, readiness, and zeal for God's Word.The Bereans searched the Scriptures to see if what they were being taught was correct. We need to remember that the only Scripture available to them was the Old Testament. The things that Paul and Silas taught them were regarding Jesus Christ and the New Covenant, mentioned in the Old Testament. Most of these people were of Jewish heritage and knew of the Old Testament promises of a Messiah.How exactly did they search the Scriptures and prove this "new" information? Searchedcomes from the Greek word anakrino, which translates as "properly, to scrutinize, i.e. (by implication) investigate, interrogate, determine." The King James Version translates the word variously as "ask, question, discern, examine, judge, search."This does not mean that the Bereans constantly questioned the Scriptures to prove or disprove what they were learning. However, they had access to the Old Testament, the Bible of their time. They could examine the words Paul and Silas spoke and determine if they were indeed in line with the Old Testament teaching. They could also observe the manner that these men conducted their lives. How these men taught the Word of God and the proofs they gave were quite relevant to the Bereans.Does this mean that they had to disprove or reprove things such as the Sabbath or the Holy Days, which they knew to be of God? Absolutely not! But it clearly indicates that they were not going to let old thoughts, ideas or ways easily fall by the wayside, nor would they close the door on any truth that might come to them through revelation or by teaching. It also made them aware of the need to establish and re-establish the truth of God among them on an on-going fashion.As a small Jewish community among the Gentiles, they probably needed the added security of what they were learning and living to be a bulwark against the corrupt world around them.They kept close to God's Word, scrutinizing it for every bit of help it could give them to remain true to God's way amidst a pagan culture. Each of us should readily relate to this as we strive to survive the corruption of this world and Satan's ploys.In addition, the Bereans studied God's Word on a daily basis. Why is this important? When we see instances of contact with God in the Bible, it often has a daily application. Why does God require the Israelites to collect manna each day (except on the Sabbath, for which they prepared by collecting a double portion on Friday), except to remind them of His constant providence? Why does Christ leave us the example of the "modelprayer," in which we are to thank God for our physical and spiritual food each day? This daily spiritual exercise had to help the Bereans to feed on, dwell on, delight in and think upon what was true, lovely, praiseworthy, and excellent rather than the negativity that their world often embraced. Their lives and minds were continually on the things and ways of God.
Personal ExamplesLuke, the author of Acts, specifically notes that "non-Jews" or Gentiles came to believe in the same truths. It may be that these Gentiles converted through the personal examples of Paul, Silas, Timothy and the early converts among the Jewish Bereans. Luke labels these Gentiles as "prominent" or honorable men and women. They may have been wealthy and well-respected members of the community, people who had all the creature comforts they might need.Nevertheless, because of the truth that Paul preaches as well as the personal examples of the brethren, they believed. We can imagine that the personal lives of the Bereans—so careful in their study and defense of God's Word—must have set a wonderful example to people that Christ said would have a hard time accepting the truth (Matthew 19:24), if they were indeed among the wealthy.Another interesting fact comes from Hitchcock's Bible Name Dictionary, which mentions that the name "Berea" represents something that is heavy or weighty. Even the city's name hints at a vastly different nature than that described in Matthew 23:23, where Christ condemns the Pharisees for neglecting the weightier matters of God's law. The Berean's example was a balanced one in that they separated themselves from the world around them yet still influenced the conversion of others. The Pharisees' strictness, while perhaps technically correct, lacked the love and concern that the Bereans embraced as a way of life toward God and others.The people of Berea certainly placed great importance on their belief system, but also strived to see the balance of things so that even those of other cultures and religions could see the fruit produced in their lives. Hypocrisy does not seem to be a problem that hindered this faithful but open-minded people.The Bereans were a unique people with a strong desire to follow God's truth. They combined genuine character with zeal to lead and live by example and by the whole Word of God. Their search for the truth did not rely just on the accepted sources of their time but also on the words and actions of those shown to be credible leaders of God's people. Once this was evident, their lives became living examples that others around them could emulate. Their lives began to show fruitful "works" that centered on God and his truth.
Streams of Living WatersA final intriguing factor unique to the city of Berea is that it was known for the many streams of water that flow through it. As we know, water symbolizes several Christian ideas, among them baptism and the Holy Spirit being most recognized. Water is critical to the survival of a town and its inhabitants, just as the Holy Spirit is to those within the body of Christ.In John 4:10-14, Christ speaks of this to the Samaritan woman at the well. He tells her of the living waters, His Holy Spirit, that would soon become a part of a person's life if he believed. Once converted, God's elect soon understood this living water to be as important to spiritual survival as drinking water is to physical survival. Jesus says, "Whoever drinks of this water [from Jacob's well (verse 6)] will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life" (verses 13-14).Not only Berea's name but also the city's physical attributes have spiritual connotations. That the city is well watered symbolizes the relationship between the Berean's faith and flow of God's Holy Spirit through their lives on a daily basis. This, too, should be a good reminder to us to partake of a daily diet of God's Holy Spirit through study, meditation and prayer.
A Stark ContrastThe Bereans stand in stark contrast to the Jews of Thessalonica, who were far more obstinate and not nearly as fair-minded. Though both groups had a similar background, they obviously had different intents and goals (compare Acts 17:5-8, 13 with verses 10-12, 14). The Bereans were willing to be shown a much different and better way of life than the close-minded ways that had become the norm under the rule and influence of the prevalent Pharisaical Judaism.The next time the Bereans come to mind, we need to remember that these few verses are a reminder for us. It may be a good idea to compare our conversion to that of the Bereans. Did we approach God's truth with their zeal and fair-mindedness? Do we do that even now? Do we yearn to know God and his truth in a greater, more personal way? Are we willing to take the time to investigate, examine and scrutinize the Scripture to find the truth?Like the Bereans, we live in a world that is corrupt, but we can remain clean by bathing in the truth that God continues to reveal to his chosen people. All we must do is to partake of the daily diet of the food (God's Word) and water (His Holy Spirit) that God so richly provides in our search for the guidelines to following His will.
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This comment to one who is telling the truth shows exactly who is being misleading and evasive...not to mention rude.
Wisdom is in short supply around here so stay with me so this doesn’t go over someone’s head.
Fact 1 - Berea is in Greece, very near to Thessalonica… a Gentile nation a long way from Jerusalem.
Fact 2 - A group of Hebrews carried their law with them and formed a community in Berea…within this Gentile land.
And did just as God had told them to do – be a light to the Gentiles.
Likewise, ancient Galatia, the home of the Galatians Paul wrote an epistle to, was in Turkey…another Gentile land. They obviously had the Old Testament because Paul had to clarify the purpose of the Jewish Torah so they could use it the right way.
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Maybe I can be a mediator here. I do not think you understand unclefesters argument.
in one post. Your husband said that barians were jews.
in another, he said they were gentiles.
So the question being asked is, Can your husband explain his seeming switch..Because he contradicted himself.
We ALL know all they had was the OT. but that is NOT what the disagreement is on.
in one post. Your husband said that barians were jews.
in another, he said they were gentiles.
So the question being asked is, Can your husband explain his seeming switch..Because he contradicted himself.
We ALL know all they had was the OT. but that is NOT what the disagreement is on.
I'm happy that you posted that entire link. Again I will say that the Gentiles did have the writings of the Old Testament that Moses recorded. So I will quote from the link that you so politely presented in its fullness to endorse for the third time that Luke is referring to the Gentiles there. Quote from the paragraph labeled "personal examples" third sentence: Luke labels these Gentiles as "prominent" or honorable men and women.
I probably didn’t make myself very clear by not stating that there were obviously Jews living in Greece. That mistake I will say that I am sorry for. I believe that’s what you were trying to point out, even though I never thought it necessary but saw it as argumentative. I still can’t accept the name calling though.
So to restate the intention of yours truly, the gentiles were privy to the Mosaic Law, for when Luke wrote the book of Acts, Acts, wasn't written yet and the only Word of God available at that time was the Old Testament record of the Israelites. The New Testament, as we know it wasn't available before and while it was being recorded. Besides Luke, who is not recorded as even seeing Jesus and was a companion of Paul, finally writes about Paul to Theophilus. This includes Paul's ministry in Greece and the letter he wrote to the Thessalonians. Even though the book of Acts was finalized in 60 AD, and Paul's letters to the Thessalonians was written to them 9 years earlier, one does have to consider that this letter of Paul refers to writings they had in chapter 1 verse 5. Again unclefester, thank you for posting the entire link so others can see that the Gentiles had access to the writing of Moses. That was my entire point. God bless.
I probably didn’t make myself very clear by not stating that there were obviously Jews living in Greece. That mistake I will say that I am sorry for. I believe that’s what you were trying to point out, even though I never thought it necessary but saw it as argumentative. I still can’t accept the name calling though.
So to restate the intention of yours truly, the gentiles were privy to the Mosaic Law, for when Luke wrote the book of Acts, Acts, wasn't written yet and the only Word of God available at that time was the Old Testament record of the Israelites. The New Testament, as we know it wasn't available before and while it was being recorded. Besides Luke, who is not recorded as even seeing Jesus and was a companion of Paul, finally writes about Paul to Theophilus. This includes Paul's ministry in Greece and the letter he wrote to the Thessalonians. Even though the book of Acts was finalized in 60 AD, and Paul's letters to the Thessalonians was written to them 9 years earlier, one does have to consider that this letter of Paul refers to writings they had in chapter 1 verse 5. Again unclefester, thank you for posting the entire link so others can see that the Gentiles had access to the writing of Moses. That was my entire point. God bless.
What is so hard to understand about them both living in Berea - Jews and Gentiles? There is no contradiction for people who actually read what others post with a desire to understand what is being presented rather than a desire to simply build up their reputation - supposedly build it up. What they don't understand is that their railing, bold font, large type, etc without an understanding of what was really said, proves they are representing themselves rather than being an ambassador of God.
Thank you for wanting to help.
Thank you for wanting to help.
If Paul clarified the purpose of the Torah, they weren't "using it". They were understanding it and walking by faith in the New Covenant of grace in Jesus Christ. Maybe I'm just a stickler for details ?
I reread post #248 and there was no contradiction there for you to get so hostile about. It plainly says, “It clearly states they (gentiles) were among the Jews. I'm sure the Jews had the Torah.” See that - "AMONG".
Now, lets let the Bereans rest. When I went back to post #248 I also copied these two questions that you apparently didn’t want to answer when just-me asked you, so I would be most interested to hear your answer.
“So I also present to you 2 questions. How did the wise men know about Messiah? And were the Magi Jews or Gentile?”
Matthew 2:1-7 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
Micah 5:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
And Jesus confirms that the writings of Moses told about Him.
John 5:46 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
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What is so wrong with Just-me explaining this, and he may have worded it wrong?
He literally said, "I BELIEVE BEREANS ARE GENTILES.
For anyone reading that ALONE< anyone would think he is speaking of ALL bereans. even I thought this, and waited on just-me to respond.
there are alot. remember the one we had when you first Got here? because we misunderstood each other?
What is so wrong with Just-me explaining this, and he may have worded it wrong?
He literally said, "I BELIEVE BEREANS ARE GENTILES.
For anyone reading that ALONE< anyone would think he is speaking of ALL bereans. even I thought this, and waited on just-me to respond.
there are alot. remember the one we had when you first Got here? because we misunderstood each other?
Yes sir I see I mis-spoke in my post # 241. I should have said that I believe that the Bereans were Greeks. It is appalling to me that this would cause such a ruckus. The point was that Luke in the book of Acts, referring to the link uses the term "Gentiles". The real reason that there was such a dispute, was that I was proving that the Gentiles were privy to the writings of Moses, and that didn't set well with those that say the law is of no use to the Gentiles and it is at odds with faith and grace. You know my take on it. If it was just a matter of mis-speaking about something that was not a previous dispute, I am confident that there would have been no name calling, and claiming me as being one to present falsehoods. If I would have said that Berea never had Jews living there then I could see the upset. MAYBE
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Yes, you said you thought they were gentile or greek.
But in another post you said they were jewish.
thats the point, You appeared to contradict yourself. Maybe you meant to say the jewish bereans spoken of earlier were also with some greek bereans?? I don't know.
and all of us KNOW they (even gentiles) had to learn the OT. it was all they had, it was written in greek most likely, and all of them would see it. No one would dispute this fact. even the ones your discussing this with.
but,, they did not read it to see how to live, They read it to confirm what paul said. That the law and prophets pointed to Christ. Which I hope you were trying to say, But even I am not sure this is what you were getting at.
This is where I believe the contention is coming in.. And your apparent contradiction.
But in another post you said they were jewish.
thats the point, You appeared to contradict yourself. Maybe you meant to say the jewish bereans spoken of earlier were also with some greek bereans?? I don't know.
and all of us KNOW they (even gentiles) had to learn the OT. it was all they had, it was written in greek most likely, and all of them would see it. No one would dispute this fact. even the ones your discussing this with.
but,, they did not read it to see how to live, They read it to confirm what paul said. That the law and prophets pointed to Christ. Which I hope you were trying to say, But even I am not sure this is what you were getting at.
This is where I believe the contention is coming in.. And your apparent contradiction.
Jews and gentiles both lived in the community. The link I presented says that. The Jews presented the Old Testament writings to the gentiles living there, and when Paul ministered the New covenant to them, they were taught from the writings of Moses that Paul was using to prove the New Covenant was true. I don't see that hard to understand if one really wanted to see the writings of Moses valid to prove the New. That's the main dispute on these threads. There's more if you would like to hear it. Post #294 Consider the Words of Jesus please......
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
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