Closer to the chip?

Frederik · Jul 29, 2013

Chips or Crips it's all the same to me! - But I prefere to pay in cash it kinda of forced in my position. I gave up on credit cards long time ago. About Europe- What most of the citizens in the countries who changed to the common currency known as Euro got out of it. Was a double or triple up on ordinairy daily supply articles and detail prices. Things just got more expensive. And the salary stayed the same or less. Cause it is recession, and if ppl wants to keep their jobs. They have to agree to go down in payment.

There are many advantage of the credit chip cards. It for sure can help a lot of people in many sectors. But it maked people spending, buying and consuming more than they will do with cash. Eventually ppl was so fed up living in " Consuming Society that they invented the -Buy Nothing day- in 1990 or 1992? In general. If we want discount we will end up with a discount society.

iamsoandso · Jul 29, 2013

djness said:

yes thats why i said "equal and opposite reaction",,that is lets say the r.f.i.d. is passed into law by some amendment to the health care act.,,,then the first thing that needs to be addressed is "how much is a credit worth?",,,,,from nation to nation the value of the dollar,peso,yin ect. are not equal. so a person in the u.s. could receive a salary of 3000.00 "credits per month",,but a person in Mexico in the same profession my only receive 300. credits per month,while a person with the same job only 30 credits per month. so every nation would need to have the same "value given to define a credit". if not then a company in china could not purchase goods from say the u.s. and then sell them to their own citizens and make a profit. in turn the u.s. would be able to purchase goods from china and after selling it to it's citizens have a mark-up of 70-90%,,,,so soon after every nation would become subject to the nation with the most valuable credit.

Agricola · Jul 29, 2013

A universal credit is not that difficult to impliment. Just look at the EURO as an existing model for uniting multiple nations with huge economic differences under the umbrella of a single currency.

SonInMe · Jul 29, 2013

There is a problem with the fear that technology and the mark of the beast are the same thing.

To take the mark of the beast, you must worship the beast. For it to BE the mark, one must deny Christ and follow the beast.

If that proclamation is not made....its just hardware.

Lotsa fearmongering out there without much biblical foundation.

kenisyes · Jul 29, 2013

SonInMe said:

Whose proclamation counts? The government's (which one)? Common understanding (whose)?

PennEd · Jul 29, 2013

SonInMe said:

Are you saying that YOU would get a chip if it didn't include a proclamation against Jesus and for anti-christ?

iamsoandso · Jul 29, 2013

SonInMe said:

maybe it could also be on track ,Revelations 18;23,,"for by thy(merchants) sorceries were all nations deceived" or again Revelations 19;20 "which he deceived them that recieved the mark",,,then in rev.18;19 describes babylon as a religious/worship type personage i.e. "voice of the bridegroom(christ),nor of the bride(church),,will be found in her at all light of the candle( will remove thy candlestick)from the letters to the 7 churches but a close look at the (merchants)is warranted rev. 18;11 "their merchandise",,,rev.18;15 "the merchants of these things",,,but begin at rev.18;3,,becouse those who lived deliciously with her,and waxed rich,and committed fornication with her do so by being deceived by her merchants.

so in scripture,,rev. 18;23 "the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee",,so what religion is she? the Jews do not believe in christ or the church,they do not consider the "removing of the candlestick in the letters to the 7 churches",they don't follow the new testament at all. the Muslims nor Islamist follow the new testament,they as the Jews do not believe in "the bridegroom",,or the "bride",,,nor the letters to the churches,,they don't as much as believe in the "church of Christ" as the Messiah.

so the scripture it's self narrows it down to a nation,with merchants who are the great men of the earth,and make all who trade with her rich. but also her candlestick is removed,so she is a christian nation. and the voice of the bridegroom is no more heard in her,so it was in her,so again it cannot a non-christian nation. the voice of the bride if it is no more in her it must have been in her in the beginning and then removed.,,,in any event these scriptures cannot match any nation who is not christian.

now this nation's merchants invent certain things and and the whole earth is deceived by these goods and are led astray. and a christian inanity from there endorse whatever the system of finance is that spreads from Babylon into the earth and say to the others it is fine to buy sell and eat using it.,,,so the thing she is saying is the mark,is not and the thing she is saying is not the mark is.,,,,it would be very easy to explain it to a church in the woods in 1840,,,but seeing most of the people in the world already have a pin-number that is equal to their signature,,,well it is most difficult to believe,that is if it is the mark we must then realize we already have it.

wisebeardman · Jul 29, 2013

kenisyes said:

I will buy used stuff or go without before I step foot into china-mart.

kenisyes · Jul 29, 2013

wisebeardman said:

Wheat germ?

Blain · Jul 29, 2013

I heard they are going to use the chip in 2017, but with the way the economy is going i doubt we can make it another two years without the chip. I refuse to take it so that is that

kenisyes · Jul 29, 2013

Maybe the economy will really collapse, and they won't have the money to make them. Or at least they won't have the money to pay the police to hold us all down and inject them into us, and then arrest the ones of us who rip them out.

AgapeSpiritEyes · Jul 29, 2013

The immigration bill has included a national card of which has not only personal data but your personal identification bio as retinal finger prints and other identifiers and if you do not have one you can not work or be employed.

SonInMe · Jul 30, 2013

You can place a 666 on your forehead and it means absolutely nothing without worshiping the beast.

The mark is not just a mark. Its you denying who Christ is, something a christian cannot do, and also its you sayin, publically with this mark, that you worship the beast.

As far as I know, the antichrist/beast has not appeared yet and no one is directly worshiping him.

I would have absolutely no problem with a chip under my skin.

Its just tech and has NO spiritual meaning unless I worship the beast and as a saved person, sealed by God, I cannot do that.

As a saved person, you will choose death before taking the mark...no christian can take it because, you cannot deny Christ before men.

Tech is tech. A tat is a tat.

The mark is very specific, cannot be done by mistake and will...always come with a profession that Jesus is not God and worship of the beast.

Not sure I can say that any more clear.

RickShafer · Jul 30, 2013

The so-called 'chip' is not one thing.
The advent of antichrist is spiritual, just like Jesus came and went and set up a kingdom that cannot be altered.
Dumbing down is an important factor, but not the only one.
The 'mark' is a spiritual reference to the recognition of the all powerful society.
Which gives your meat.
Which gives your health.
Which gives your thought; and which gives you 'spirit'.
The move to cashless is only an outward mark of the one that is being stamped on their hand(works) and in their forehead(thoughts).
Like a nest of wasps, it works it's insidious thought train on those who were once made in the image of the creator.

The tower of Babel was nothing more than people using their creativity to build a place higher than the flood stage of Noah's ark.
It's all on the mind, (Satan would say), because he can control that. - (But he cannot control the soul unless it willingly recedes to his spirit.)

kenisyes · Jul 30, 2013

Rick, it's the implications of the chip that you are describing I am afraid will come with it. The cashier at Walmart is way closer to me than the big government, so I see it more clearly there.

iamsoandso · Jul 30, 2013

this also is the point i try to make about the pin-number. our body is the temple of god,the name of god is is written in our "temples forehead" the problem is there is a number memorized in the very place where the name of god is suppose to be(thoughts),,,

most theologians agree that the r.f.i.d. is in their opinion the best likely candidate of the mark. in perspective, most theologians that lived between 4bc and ad70 took every scripture they could find and agreed,,,"this Jesus of Nazareth is not the Messiah",,,now we know this was a huge error. a much smaller group 12 apostles,70 disciples and then more did not make this error. the debit pin number is fast becoming a reality in the whole earth,yet every discussion both among Christians and non-Christians is that in the future the r.f.i.d. may be a reality.

so one thing "might" be going to sweep throughout the whole earth,and none of us will be deceived when it does. that is every christian will say "I'm not decieved,r.f.i.d.is the mark i wont take it",,,problem is the bible says they will be deceived and take it.,,,

now on the other hand is a financial system that began in the u.s.,,,and is almost perfectly applied among it's citizens already. and is also accepted by most every nation and is in the process of being taken by the people of the whole earth. in the fore-head of their temple(body) is a number and only he that has wisdom can calculate it (secret pin-number/private)and it is what gives you power(in your right hand) to buy sell and eat.

I am cautious to say this aloud,,,as to the Greek mode of calculation seeing it was not spoken aloud. but when ask the demon said "i am legion,for we are many",,,that is each one did not reveal the name each one having their own individual name. and as it is calculated there are "names",plural of blasphemy on the beast,which these are seeking to calculate.

SonInMe · Jul 30, 2013

For all the marxists, the beast is not the economy.

For all the conspiracy theorists, if just tech is the mark, then checks would be the mark too...even cash.

in the fore-head of their temple(body) is a number and only he that has wisdom can calculate it (secret pin-number/private)and it is what gives you power(in your right hand) to buy sell and eat.

The number was given in the bible...its not individual and if you can read, it takes no wisodm to figure it out...its 666.

just a fyi, my pin number is not 666

iamsoandso · Jul 30, 2013

SonInMe said:

wow thats great,you are correct,,we cannot all have the same pin number or r.f.i.d. number that is they must all be different.,,but now there are 3 more things to consider,that is in scripture it states

(1)mark of the beast rev.13;17,,,,,,,,"or"
(2)the name of the beast rev.13;17,,,,,"or"
(3)the number of his name rev. 13;17,,,,,,,,one of the "three" to be able to buy or sell unless he had one of the "three" rev.13;17

now in verse 15 it states that if they do not worship the image of the beast they should be killed,but this stipulation is not found relating to those about buying or selling. the word,,,"or" as in "this that or another",,,,it is possible to have all three,but as the scripture states any one of the three possibilities will be required for them to buy or sell.

iamsoandso · Jul 30, 2013

closer to the chip? if i was a banker,i would finance the houses,i would let them pay me about 75% of what they own. i would move around the money and file bankruptcy,i would let the nation bail me out. i would pull out on all business loans that would become successful,i would finance wall-mart. i would crumble all of the small businesses,i would make sure that all of the property i approved the loans on return to me.

i would crumble those who ask me for a loan,but not until they pay me most of the money i loaned them. that is i loan then 200,000 dollars for a house interest included,when they pay most of it back i would crumble the jobs they have and then as the law states,since they cannot make the payments i would repossess it.

i would be not a good accountant if i balanced the budget and fixed the economy. that is if i repair it then these i loaned money to would get clear title and own it. to fix the economy is the demise of me if i am a banker,,,but i am not i am a preacher. cut up your bank cards.

maybe the economy will crumble,oooh wouldn't it just be peachy to have a man pay 80,000.00 on a 92,000.00 loan and then get laid off and loose it?,,,and multiply it by millions of men in a whole nation?,,,i think you hit it on the head,,"maybe it will crumble",,,

but the r.f.i.d. is not ready to come yet,,the health care act is enforced through the i.r.s....not many things can one have a lean set against their homes,but being delinquent to the i.r.s. is one. it's simple,don't buy health care coverage,you are imposed a higher tax,,cannot pay the higher tax your property get's a lean put on it.

"thy merchants deceive you with their merchandise",,,,r.f.i.d. of what benefit would it be to these who desire to possess this power if they give man the ability to buy sell and eat before they posses it?,,,,

AgapeWarrior · Jul 30, 2013

The Word says towards the end great delusion will be rampant the world over. so I reckon that it would not matter if the one world government or what ever will push the Mark agenda would go about it in any obvious or subtle means. seems most likely that such implementation will be established among us long before the world at large perceives it. sure the children of God will be warned or prehaps already taken up by rapture before this mark is mandatory. but whatever the case will be, we do know that all these such things will come to pass and that it is nearer than ever. even unto that you can look up news that lines up with bible prophecy by modern contrast, which may not per say prove that we are in the end but it's the closest reference we have to Matthew 24. I appreciate you Mr. kenisyes and also Mr.iamsoandso for your nuggets of wisdom and pearls of insight into these matters, though for some they might strike a cord of anxiousness, for me it brings A perspective of caution and awareness which is needful now more than ever. So I do pray that the lord uses your experiences and thoughts to awaken that awarness through the Holy Spirit in all of us. May God bless you all more and more and may he help us all in these days to come.

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