Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[zone]

You don't even know what that means. The word Judaizer was created by the Catholics who made sure Christians didn't practice anything the Jews did, to the point that they even made Christians stop keeping the sabbath on Saturday. So who do you represent? That's already been made clear to me.

oh boohoo.
dem big bad catlicks.
they wrecked everything.

look this over. maybe you have not seen it.
from the Hebrew of Hebrews, of the tribe of Benjamin, circumcised on the 8th day, blameless as to the Law who counted it ALL rubbish:

Acts 20:7-12
"When he had gone through those districts and had given them much exhortation, he came to Greece. And there he spent three months, and when a plot was formed against him by the Jews as he was about to set sail for Syria, he decided to return through Macedonia. And he was accompanied by Sopater of Berea, the son of Pyrrhus, and by Aristarchus and Secundus of the Thessalonians, and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy, and Tychicus and Trophimus of Asia. But these had gone on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas. We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days. And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. And there were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered together. And there was a certain young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor, and was picked up dead. But Paul went down and fell upon him and after embracing him, he said, "Do not be troubled, for his life is in him." And when he had gone back up, and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed. And they took away the boy alive, and were greatly comforted.

you know your feast days and sabbaths - do the math.

 

[Bookends]

lol buddy, We will disagree n this. The harlot is the same harlot that Isreal played with all through the NT. You do not divorce a wife and make her a harlot. She may be an ex wife. but she is not the harlot. A harlot is a false wife. Either way. The church did not give birth to jesus, he birthed the church with his death burial and ressurection. No getting around this.

yeah, yeah, I still love yah regardless.

 

[Shiloah]

oh boohoo.
dem big bad catlicks.
they wrecked everything.

look this over. maybe you have not seen it.
from the Hebrew of Hebrews, of the tribe of Benjamin, circumcised on the 8th day, blameless as to the Law who counted it ALL rubbish:

Acts 20:7-12
"When he had gone through those districts and had given them much exhortation, he came to Greece. And there he spent three months, and when a plot was formed against him by the Jews as he was about to set sail for Syria, he decided to return through Macedonia. And he was accompanied by Sopater of Berea, the son of Pyrrhus, and by Aristarchus and Secundus of the Thessalonians, and Gaius of Derbe, and Timothy, and Tychicus and Trophimus of Asia. But these had gone on ahead and were waiting for us at Troas. We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days. And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. And there were many lamps in the upper room where we were gathered together. And there was a certain young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor, and was picked up dead. But Paul went down and fell upon him and after embracing him, he said, "Do not be troubled, for his life is in him." And when he had gone back up, and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed. And they took away the boy alive, and were greatly comforted.

you know your feast days and sabbaths - do the math.

I attend Bible studies on Wednesday evening. I've never thought of changing the sabbath to Wednesday. Hm.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not telling you you personally will lose your salvation, eternally-grateful. I was only pointing out that Christ used the word "lawlessness" there. This isn't just about salvation to me. This is about loving Him with all my heart, soul, and mind. Hence, I strive keep ALL His commandments.

I did not say you were telling me this.

And yes he did say lawlessness. But does this not speak of us all?

that is not the main subject. the main subject is people who do all kinds of works in jesus name yet have never been saved.

There sin was never washed, that is WHY THEY ARE LAWLESS.. that is what separates a child of God from a non believe..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yeah, yeah, I still love yah regardless.

Same, as always

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I attend Bible studies on Wednesday evening. I've never thought of changing the sabbath to Wednesday. Hm.

the sabbath is not about attending service. It is about resting. Attending service is labor. so you should not do it on the sabbath, your supposed to be resting not forcing others to work and serve you.

 

[zone]

You don't even know what that means. The word Judaizer was created by the Catholics

Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology

Judaizers

Those who adopted Jewish religious practices or sought to influence others to do so. The Greek verb ioudaizo [ Esther 8:17 ) and once in the New Testament (Galatians 2:14 ). In the Septuagint this verb is used in relation to the Gentiles in Persia who adopted Jewish practices in order to avoid the consequences of Esther's decree (Esther 8:13 ), which permitted Jews to avenge the wrongs committed against them. The Septuagint not only uses ioudaizo [ ] to translate the Hebrew mityahadim ("to become a Jew"), but adds that these Gentiles were circumcised.

In Galatians 2:14 it means to "live like Jews" (RSV, neb, NASB, Phillips), "follow Jewish customs" ( NIV ), or "live by the Jewish law" (Barclay). The context for this reference is the episode in Antioch when Paul condemns Peter's withdrawal from table fellowship with Gentile Christians. Peter's actions are viewed by Paul as a serious compromise of the gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone, lending support to the position that sought to impose Jewish ceremonial law on the Gentiles. Thus, Paul interprets Peter's withdrawal in terms of its effect in compelling Gentile Christians to live like Jews.

The term "Judaizer" has come to be used in theological parlance to describe the opponents of Paul and Barnabas at the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15 ) and those who sought to preach "another gospel" in the churches of Galatia (Galatians 2:4,12 ; 6:12 ; cf. Philippians 3:2 ). In this sense, "Judaizers" refers to Jewish Christians who sought to induce Gentiles to observe Jewish religious customs: to "judaize." It appears that these individuals agreed with much of the apostolic kerygma but sought to regulate the admission of Gentiles into the covenant people of God through circumcision and the keeping of the ceremonial law. Insisting that "Unless you are circumcised … you cannot be saved" (Acts 15:1 ), these "believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees" (Acts 15:5 ) posed a serious threat to the gospel of grace and the uNIVersality of the Christian mission.

Paul's Galatian epistle portrays the Judaizers as having come from the Jerusalem church to his churches in Galatia, stressing the need for Gentiles to be circumcised and keep the law, both for full acceptance by God (legalism) and as the basis for Christian living (nomism [ Galatians 6:12-13 ). Amidst the rising pressures of Jewish nationalism in Palestine during the mid-first century, and increased Zealot animosity against any Jew who had Gentile sympathies, it would appear that these Jewish Christians embarked on a judaizing mission among Paul's converts in order to prevent Zealot persecution of the Palestinian church.




ioudaizo from (2453)
Transliterated Word
Ioudaizo
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ee-oo-dah-id'-zo Verb

Definition
to adopt Jewish customs and rites, imitate the Jews, Judaise
one who observes the ritual law of the Jews

NAS Word Usage - Total: 1
live like Jews 1

You don't even know what that means. The word Judaizer was created by the Catholics

NAS Verse Count
Galatians 1



PAUL USED IT.

he also said he wished they would go all the way and cut the whole thing off.
think he was playing games....go ahead and sever yourself from grace.

SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH BY FAITH

the END

 

[danschance]

I have to admit that this is one of the least intelligent threads here.

Seriously, if a person does not obey Sabbath enough, he gets the mark of the beast?? There is no scripture in the bible that says that, so this is just your opinion. People who support this foolish, judgemental, mocking doctrine do so by twisting some scriptures, substituting your meaning, implanting your own interpretation, adding your opinions and blatantly ignoring Col. 2:16.

This is the kind of nonsense people get into when they follow false theology and/or a false teachings.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Col. 2:16

 

[zone]

Worship is mentioned 8 times in Revelation 13 & 14. Those who worship the beast will recieve his mark, those who worship God will recieve His seal. So we need to know:~
1. Who is the beast?
2. What is his mark?
3. What is the seal of God?

The mark of the beast is about worship and is a counterfeit of the seal of God.

Lao...the seal of God in the New Covenant is THE HOLY SPIRIT.

if you think you are sealed (or signified as in A CONTRACT to DO) THE OLD COVENANT, i have no idea what Bible you are reading.

 

[Shiloah]

I did not say you were telling me this.

And yes he did say lawlessness. But does this not speak of us all?

that is not the main subject. the main subject is people who do all kinds of works in jesus name yet have never been saved.

There sin was never washed, that is WHY THEY ARE LAWLESS.. that is what separates a child of God from a non believe..

Well yeah it does, in that respect. I can't believe how you continually ignore what Christ Himself said about breaking even one of the least of these commandments? What in the world do you think He meant by that? Do you actually think He made that statement with the thought in mind that as soon as He died and was resurrected, this statement would be null and void? Give me a break! Clearly, He was speaking of ALL the commandments! Not one, not two, not just three, but every last one of them!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well yeah it does, in that respect. I can't believe how you continually ignore what Christ Himself said about breaking even one of the least of these commandments? What in the world do you think He meant by that? Do you actually think He made that statement with the thought in mind that as soon as He died and was resurrected, this statement would be null and void? Give me a break! Clearly, He was speaking of ALL the commandments! Not one, not two, not just three, but every last one of them!

lol..

So you do believe one can lose salvation? Which is it??

Who stated I ever tell anyone to break a command? Where do you get off on this. A CHILD OF GOD WOULD NOT DO THIS.

When are you going to understand those born of the spirit FOLLOW his commands. Those who are not born of the spirit are lawless.

 

[josh123]

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[h=3]Galatians 5:13-18 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/h]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[h=3]Galatians 5:22-23 so what are you under? are you lead under the spirit or are you under a law? and as i said before the spirit needs no law because it's a new nature and it's nature is to have love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith so it needs to no rule... but to love, to love is to fullfil the commandment if you choose not to accept this.. well that is up to you i'm only telling the truth, if i'm not getting through to you this makes no sense.. i'm frustrated by this so you can choose what you wanna do or if you wanna actually learn what we are talking about you can ask questions or if you wanna be proud and keep your pride.. go ahead but you won't end up where you want to go in the end.[/h]

 

[Shiloah]

Lao...the seal of God in the New Covenant is THE HOLY SPIRIT.

if you think you are sealed (or signified as in A CONTRACT to DO) THE OLD COVENANT, i have no idea what Bible you are reading.

Where does it say in scriptures that the seal of God is the Holy Spirit? The seal on the 10 commandments was the sabbath law, because as God said,

"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13).

“And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.” (Romans 4:11).
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NOTE: Sign and Seal are synonymous, they mean the same thing.

[/SIZE]“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.” (Numbers 23:19, 20).

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

[/SIZE]So the sabbath is a sign of God, or His seal, representing His authority as Creator. Now look at the 4th Commandment as found in Exodus.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I thought WE are the New Israel, those of us that accept Christ. So what about being the New Israel makes this "sign" that our God is the creator not about us?
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[Shiloah]

lol..

So you do believe one can lose salvation? Which is it??

Who stated I ever tell anyone to break a command? Where do you get off on this. A CHILD OF GOD WOULD NOT DO THIS.

When are you going to understand those born of the spirit FOLLOW his commands. Those who are not born of the spirit are lawless.

Well, see, I don't really try to make judgement calls in that direction. Only God knows the heart. I DO know those born of the spirit obey His commands. What I don't understand is why so many who say they are born of the spirit don't obey the commandments and will fight to the death it seems to justify not doing so.

 

[josh123]

Where does it say in scriptures that the seal of God is the Holy Spirit? The seal on the 10 commandments was the sabbath law, because as God said,

"Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (Exodus 31:13).

“And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.” (Romans 4:11).
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NOTE: Sign and Seal are synonymous, they mean the same thing.

[/SIZE]“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.” (Numbers 23:19, 20).

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

[/SIZE]So the sabbath is a sign of God, or His seal, representing His authority as Creator. Now look at the 4th Commandment as found in Exodus.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I thought WE are the New Israel, those of us that accept Christ. So what about being the New Israel makes this "sign" that our God is the creator not about us?
​

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15-16 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

 

[Shiloah]

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15-16 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannotenter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5

You need to read and then take in all the Bible, not just a few verses taken out of context that support your position.

 

[josh123]

Well, see, I don't really try to make judgement calls in that direction. Only God knows the heart. I DO know those born of the spirit obey His commands. What I don't understand is why so many who say they are born of the spirit don't obey the commandments and will fight to the death it seems to justify not doing so.

please share your testimony of how you got born of the spirit please

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, see, I don't really try to make judgement calls in that direction. Only God knows the heart.

Yet you are doing that here are you not?

And God did tell us

Those born of God CAN'T SIn, because they have been born of God (1 john)

so tell me. Why would someone born of God tell others to disobey any command? And teach them how to do it?

The pharisees did this, that was the context of the passage..

they taught as long as we follow their lives and commands, it is perfectly ok to break the little ones, or deny you are doing it.

Like many people in here who demand we go back to law do. They excuse their own sin, and judge others.. they are doing the very thing you say we should not do.. Teaching others it is ok to break these little commands, or deny you break them, as long as yuo do not murder, Commit sexual sin, do not break the sabbath. It is perfectly finr for you to judge others, Be proud, And NOT SHOW LOVE

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Spirit of confusion is of the devil. That's where it reigns most in the vatican. How many times have they played that tack tick? Sounds striking that God called this church "babylon". Which means confusion. I will really pray for you. Because i truly don't know what it is you are liking above your Lord. It may seem shocking at first to find out that your church is wrong. But that cannot be used an excuse. Why ignore the statements in the Bible so strikingly made! We are of God because we truly know Him. 1 John 2:4 says "he that saith, i know Him, and[but] keeps not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." Truth is not with you and you are found a liar because John said so. We are not liars because to Holy Bible we OBEY His commandments. No sin can be allowed in heaven.

this is incorrect...according to the bible God himself sends a spirit of confusion to his enemies as a form of divine judgment...for example see isaiah 19:11-15 where God sends a spirit of confusion to the egyptians...

even at babel it was God who inflicted the confusion of languages...not satan...

since your 'church' has a spirit of confusion it is apparent that you are under the judgment of God...you should all repent and pray for God to save you and remove the spirit of confusion from you...

 

[zone]

lol..

So you do believe one can lose salvation? Which is it??

Who stated I ever tell anyone to break a command? Where do you get off on this. A CHILD OF GOD WOULD NOT DO THIS.

When are you going to understand those born of the spirit FOLLOW his commands. Those who are not born of the spirit are lawless.

really, it's getting ludicrous.
this is Christianity 101.

Matthew 5:17
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. NLT

"Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. - Holman

...

Romans 10
The Word of Faith Brings Salvation
1Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.3For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),7or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”

14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”

16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?”17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

...

Romans 1:17
I am Not Ashamed of the Gospel
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it <<<<<THE GOSPEL the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

well then some might say...WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?

1 Corinthians 15
1Now I would remind you, brothers,a of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

.......

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCRIPTURES?
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
THAT HE FULFILLED EVERYTHING WRITTEN ABOUT HIM THE LAW & PROPHETS?

what's in the Law & the prophets?

JESUS.

where does our righteousness come from? THE LAW & THE PROPHETS?
only in that are about CHRIST.

Romans 3:21
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

Romans 3:22
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile

anyways.....whatever.