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Did God also not say.... If they accept you stay in that house, but if they do not, shake even the dust from your feet, and LEAVE NOT YOUR PEACE WITH THEM... For I say unto you...

SarahM, are we not the ones that might have BANNED the TRUE PROHETS from CC?

I know I do not listen well to my sin? I HATE it when a person highlite my sin. I hate being sinner. And can you imagine meeting a HOLY person that WARNS you. Man I would poke him in the eye, seeing I try to stop sinning, and HE DID! But if the prophecy would hold a promise from God, and the prophet can REALLY help me to SAINTSHIP, and then to PERFECTION... Well then....

But then we do not believe this is possible do we... So I guess better that they keep their distance... We read what they would SAY, but we do not believe it... So why should God send a WORD IN ACTION MAN, if we cannot even accept the WORD THEY ARE!!!
 
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I'm not a prophet by title but I'm in constant conversation with the most high as all of his children should be...the fact that Jesus came back detached the burden of having to fulfill the law...we could not fulfill the totality of it so Jesus came to do exactly that...with that being said whenever a church collects tithes and offerings They essentially nullify his sacrifice...because again when you follow a part of the law you are doomed to fulfill all of it...and if that were possible Jesus dying would have not been necessary...
 
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Maybe God is hiding His prophets from us evil ones Sarahm. LOOK HERE... God knows to deliver the GODLY (prophets are Godly people) from temptation... You and I and Zone are the temptations...
you may consider yourself evil and a temptation to God's people but Sarah and Zone are children of God and sisters in Christ.

none of you are mods so your false accusations are thinly veiled against those who are not yourself or these two ladies.

People aren't banned for claiming to be a "prophet" (there are actually a few regulars how have done so) but for false doctrines and teachings and immature and disruptive behavior.
 

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For a GAL like Zonie that believes so much in Scripture, it is ironic that she limits scripture to her understanding. There is much I agree with Zone, but she does lose a LOT when she wants to limit the Word of God as HE has given us. There is so much conditional circumstances the Lord gives before we would RECIEVE... God says he gives wisdom unconditionally, but the person has to ask with faith.... So the condition is FAITH.

Now concerning PROPHECIES and what God has to say in 2013.
When God is in control of a church this transpires in that church.... God is in control of EVERY SONG SUNG, EVERY PROPHECY SPOKEN AND EVERY REVELATION GIVEN. EVEN OF THE SPEAKING IN TONGUES and the INTERPRETATION THERE-OF. The Holy Spirit is the ONE THAT BUILDS AND MAKE GROW ALL IN THAT CHURCH IN GOD'S TRUTH...

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

About the PROPHESIES GIVEN BY THIS LET US SEE WHAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR EDIFICATION....ALSO THE DOCTRINE AND ALL OTHER SHOULD BE JUDGED LIKEWISE... Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

If we look at the gifts of the Spirit, in the Godly church there will be ALL the gifts of the Spirit. And the prophets will be JUDGED by other's the ones with knowledge and faith and wisdom... between them there are perfect JUDGES, who will judge the prophecy. And of coarse to show ZONE that ALL PROPHECIES IN 2013, will be 100% in line with the Gospel and the old time prophecy. BEAUTIFUL.

MANY prophecies are a ONGOING happening... Like the salvation in Jesus Christ. That prophecy will come true forever as long as God saves people.... Even the gifts of the Spirits is an ONGOING happening, and we CANNOT limit God by our understanding.... Prohecies and Faith is BOTH GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND HE GIVES THEM AS HE WANTS... No matter what my understanding is.... THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD NOT STOP GIVING GIFTS, AS LONG AS THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH RECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT. He comes with gifts, and He is even the perfect gift from above...

Zonie, you have still many things to believe what God does to HIS CHILDREN... He will NEVER draw back... NEVER! He will however not need to do ANY WORK on people when HE IS FINISHED. Then there will be no more evil. Or people to be saved...
are you saved yet cobus?
 

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The Signs and Wonders Movement, also called the Third Wave, has made tremendous inroads into evangelicalism since the early 1980s.

After initial arguments against it in the late 1980s and early 1990s, debate has mostly subsided.

Current general opinion has been acceptance, indifference, or tolerance of the movement and its view of spiritual gifts, especially its form of “prophecy.” The prime justification for the revival of what this group terms the “prophetic gift” has been the work of Wayne Grudem. Many articles, including those of the present writer, have examined the exegetical, theological, and doctrinal errors of his position. The present article uses a unique approach to refuting Grudem’s viewpoint of non-authoritative congregational prophecy by examining the earliest “charismatic” crisis in the early church, the one caused by the Montanist movement. The earliest ancient sources to refute Montanism reveal how the early church immediately after the apostolic period understood the gift of prophecy. An examination of the ancient churches’ understanding of prophecy and refutation of Montanism also supplies a striking condemnation of Grudem’s viewpoint and strongly reinforces the argument that he has imposed a novel as well as unorthodox interpretation of the NT gift of prophecy.
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CURRENT CONTROVERSY OVER THE GIFT OF PROPHECY

A Definitional Compromise between Cessationist and Noncessationist Groups

Grudem crossed traditional lines of understanding by proposing a compromise between the cessationist and noncessationist regarding prophecy. In the second edition (2000 [1988]) of his work on the subject, he writes,

In this book I am suggesting an understanding of the gift of prophecy which would require a bit of modification in the views of each of these three groups. I am asking that charismatics go on using the gift of prophecy, but that they stop calling it “a word from the Lord”—simply because that label makes it sound exactly like the Bible in authority, and leads to much misunderstanding. . . .

On the other side, I am asking those in the cessationist camp to give serious thought to the possibility that prophecy in ordinary New Testament churches was not equal to Scripture in authority, but was simply a very human—and sometimes partially mistaken—report of something the Holy Spirit brought to someone’s mind. And I am asking that they think again about those arguments for the cessation of certain gifts. . . .

I should make it very clear at the beginning that I am not saying that the charismatic and cessationist views are mostly wrong. Rather, I think they are both mostly right (in the things they count essential), and I think that an adjustment in how they understand the nature of prophecy (especially its authority) has the potential for bringing about a resolution of this issue which would safeguard items that both sides see as crucial
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...As the above quote notes, Grudem offers his own novel definition of Christian prophecy that he admits is a “somewhat new definition of the nature of Christian prophecy,” and by developing it, he hopes that “both pro-charismatic and anti-charismatics may be able to find a ‘middle ground’ with a considerable potential for reconciling their current differences.”6





THE MONTANIST CRISIS: A KEY TO REFUTING THIRD-WAVE CONCEPTS OF NT PROPHECY
F. David Farnell
Associate Professor of New Testament

http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj14i.pdf < click
 
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Hmm... I belive this prophet will give you a good laugh

[video=youtube;UWEb6qGJEZk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWEb6qGJEZk[/video]
ya....1 minute in, the usual.
those who "skirt around the edges"; "attacking" the new prophets are unbelievers; not committed. blah blah.

same old same old.

course when you're "in the anointing", you don't know what you're prophesying...you have to try to figure out later what g-d was "trying" to say. lucky for him he says, there were people there who wrote down what he said.

*cough*
 
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Is this not the most beautiful explaination of God and His people.... and the others...
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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Well maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe
thats all i have to say.

Wheres the cat?
 
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Is this not the most beautiful explaination of God and His people.... and the others...
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
so why should we listen to a man who proclaims himself of the devil?
 
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ya....1 minute in, the usual.
those who "skirt around the edges"; "attacking" the new prophets are unbelievers; not committed. blah blah.

same old same old.

course when you're "in the anointing", you don't know what you're prophesying...you have to try to figure out later what g-d was "trying" to say. lucky for him he says, there were people there who wrote down what he said.

*cough*
What didn't you understand?

The man wants you to buy him an airline ticket and pay for him to take a vacation in Israel. :)
 
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I'm not a prophet by title but I'm in constant conversation with the most high as all of his children should be...the fact that Jesus came back detached the burden of having to fulfill the law...we could not fulfill the totality of it so Jesus came to do exactly that...with that being said whenever a church collects tithes and offerings They essentially nullify his sacrifice...because again when you follow a part of the law you are doomed to fulfill all of it...and if that were possible Jesus dying would have not been necessary...
Detached the burden of having to fulfill the law? Jesus filfilled the law exactly as God intended. Man could never have fulfilled the law. and God never intended that he should. The law that was fulfilled was the sacrifical law: the sacrifice of a perfect lamb for the sins of the people. Fulfilled doesn't mean cancelled out. Jesus' coming didn't get rid of anything having to do with the law. The law is still to be kept. "If You love me, keep My commandments?'' You think Jesus only said that for those that were alive until He died? That's ridiculous! The commandments were never to pass away. Again, Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial necessity. No longer does man offer sacrifices for their sins. That's it, and that's all.

And those that try to follow part of the law are "doomed" to fulfill it? Have you thought about that? So if you don't lie, steal, commit murder, or adultery, you're doomed somehow? Common. You need to think this stuff out.
 
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​EZ 3:24 Then the Spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet,and spake with me, and said unto me. Go, shut thyself within thy house. But thou O son of man, behold they shall put bands upon thee, and shall bind thee with them, and though shall not go out among them. And I will make thy tongue cleave to the roof of thy mouth, that thou shall be dumb, and thou shall not be to them a reprover; for they are a rebellious house. But when I speak with thee I will open thy mouth and thou shall say unto them, Thus sayeth the lord God. He that heareth let him hear, and he that forbeareth let him forbear, For they are a rebellious house.
 
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Bible prophecies can be very difficult to understand sometimes .


Matthew 24:4-5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:23-27
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


we should be careful on what to believe .
Rely on the Scriptures Itself !
 
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God has informed of the old time prophets to come, the two witnesses. As for interpreting prophecy, I believe this will come in its time, and our Father, because He loves us, will make all of His children aware at one time. I believe this because there are no prophets of old foretold to come since the Apostles.

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interpreting the prophecies and applying them to this age, one should exercise extreme care if he or she believes himself qualified by the Father.

When it is time, we will all know. Our Father will not leave us in the darkness with those who do not. Love is the reason for this thinking, His great love continues, and it never will stop, amen.
Well said, JJ, and, it should go for 'giving prophecies,' too.

The Lord leads. Be led :)

My big question is always this: WHY do I need to prophesy in my life or hear prophesies of things to come in my life ? I don't EXCEPT when the Lord speaks one to me, which is few and far between in my life, like once, WHEN i WAS ON A TRIP WITH A BUDDY TO FLORIDA, CROSS COUNTRY DRIVING FROM WASHINGTON STATE AND A GUY IN MONTGOMERY ALABAMA, while we were getting gas at station at 10 pm, PROPHESIED i WOULD DIED BY AGE 25.

nOW, i NEARLY died that very night, falling asleep at the wheel around 2am (buddy and I young, taking turns driving, we made Seattle to Florida in 55 hours, a slow way to get there, way back was 50 hours :D ) , waking up only after car hit the dirt off the pavement. If that road would have been smooth, the chances I still here not good. Also, at age 25, I didn't almost die physically but spirituallly I was in trouble in my life, with things of money getting me away from God and that success God plowed into , to likely keep me thinking rightly of what He wanted me in life to think of.

Think it all what you want. This is not exactly biblical prophecy but it is personal prophecy someone did against my life and EVERYONE can think of things said to them as true or not, but, then again, everyone can think of what Christ siad true or not true :) The Lord leads. Believe. Receive. Have :)
 
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I am no prophet, just a student, but John the revelator
was given prophecies for the last days. One of them
is found in chapter 17.


Revelation 17 gives us a complete picture of the history of this world reaching all the way from ancient Babylon to the close of probation prior to the return of Jesus in the "clouds" of Heaven.

THE JUDGMENT OF THE GREAT WHORE

"Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked to me, saying to me, 'Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication. " Rev.17:1,2.

The next verse starts with the word, "So." What does the word "so" indicate? That what is now going to follow is the fulfillment of the statement made by the angel: "I will show you the judgment of the great whore." So, to accomplish this promise, he now carries him away in the Spirit into the "wilderness."

"So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw the woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." Rev.17:3.

"And on her forehead a name was written: Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and of The Abominations of the Earth." Rev.17:5.

For the first time, we find a symbolic name, an actual symbolic name, not just a symbol but a symbolic name. A woman is a symbol of a church but Babylon is a symbolic name for it.

We now have a symbolic name for the whore or the woman. We should expect very obviously that there would be a symbolic name provided for the waters or that scarlet beast upon which the whore sits.

Now, we are looking for a symbolic name not mentioned in the chapter. And we are expected to understand what that symbolic name is because here is that whore whose symbolic name is Great Babylon sitting upon those waters, the symbolic name of which must be Euphrates!

Back in the Old Testament times, what did Babylon sit on? Euphrates! We can't separate Euphrates from Babylon. Just as ancient Babylon sat on and was supported by the great river Euphrates, which kept that great city alive, so, modern Babylon sits upon the peoples of this earth because waters symbolize peoples and therefore, if Babylon sits upon waters, the waters must have a symbolic name, and that symbolic name must come from the type in the Old Testament. In other words, here was typical Babylon and here was a typical river!

"And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." Rev.17:18.

Therefore, the waters, the beast, and the kings of the earth are three different symbols representing the same thing, the peoples of the earth. The day will come when all the peoples of this earth will support Babylon the Great but that support will be "dried up" suddenly at the time of the fifth plague. This we shall see in the next posts.
 
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Just as the ancient River was dried up to make way for the kings of the east, (Medo-Persian kings) so the waters (Rev.17:15) upon which the whore sits in these last days will be "dried up" to bring about the downfall of Babylon The Great and thus make way for the Kings of the East, Christ and the saints who are with Him, to return! See Ezekiel 43:2.

If we think type and antitype, we will have no problem identifying symbolic names in the book of Revelation.

In verse 6 we read:

"And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marvelled with great amazement."

Back in verse 3 the angel promised to give John the interpretation of the vision which previously had been given. The angel said, "I will tell you the mystery of the woman."

When you start to read the angel's explanation, your first reaction is that he has made the mystery more mysterious! Let us read it in verse 8:

"The beast (whore) that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, is not, and yet is."

Do you feel you were given a good explanation? Verse 9:

"Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, and the other is yet to come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. And the beast that was, and is not, is himself the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition."

A little bit of careful study will soon begin to unravel this mystery and you will be surprised how simple the prophecy really is. First of all in verse 8:

"The beast (whore) that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition."

When we have an expression like, "was", "is not", and "is again", it indicates that we need to have a reference point in time. The reference point chosen determines what was, what is not and what will be as the case may be.

In order for us to understand what beast is spoken of as being in the past, and also being not present, and shall be again, we have to make up our minds on the basis of the evidence given. What was the reference point from which John was observing these facts? That is very very important to know!

Some have taken the position that John is speaking from his own point of time, but when we study the works of a prophet, do we find that they all spoke from their own point of time? Or were they sometimes moved far away into the future and spoke from that point of time?

A prophet is very often picked up from his own time and projected far into the future and from that future point of time, he then begins to describe things that were and are and will be. And if we are to understand what the prophet is saying, what must we determine? That reference point. It is not very difficult.
 
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In verse 3 of the chapter we are told that in order to see the judgment of the great whore, John had to be carried in the Spirit into the wilderness. When he got there, what did he see? He saw the whore sitting upon the scarlet beast. Now if he had to go to the wilderness to see the whore, where must she have been? In the wilderness.

What does it mean for the woman to be in the wilderness? Is she always there or is it a temporary sojourn and not a permanent one? If we go back to Revelation 12, we find that when the woman (pure church) brought forth the man child (Jesus) where did she flee after the man child was taken up to Heaven? To the wilderness. Between 538 and 1798, the true church of God was in the wilderness. She went there in obscurity as a result of the persecuting powers that sought to destroy her.

Therefore, the true church was not "in the wilderness" when Jesus Christ was living upon the earth nor during the Apostolic period but when the persecution began, that is when she found herself driven into the wilderness. So, obviously, what does it mean to be in the wilderness? It means to be oppressed, persecuted; it means to be the tail and not the head, to be under, and not above.

During the time when the true church of God was "in the wilderness," was Papal Rome also in the same place? No. She was on top. She was sitting as a queen! Now, what about John's own day? Was Pagan Rome persecuted and driven away from her own natural habitat or was she likewise on top of the world? On top!

So, when did the papal power go "into the wilderness?" In 1798 the papacy was driven "into the wilderness" in a position of oppression and obscurity. But that did not stop the papacy from doing her work to regain the supremacy of the world. Since then she has been working in obscurity, working behind the scenes, pulling the strings, politically and religiously. Therefore, what was John's point of reference? After 1798.

Verses 9 and 10: "Here is the mind which has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time."

In prophecy, what does a "mountain" symbolize? A kingdom. In Jeremiah 51:25, Babylon is described as being a "destroying mountain." Daniel 2 mentions two mountains. The one from which the stone was cut and the one under which the stone grew. What do these "mountains" symbolize? God's Kingdom.

"The seven heads are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come and when he comes, he must continue a short time."

To identify those kings, what must we have? Again, a point of reference before which five have fallen, one still remained, and the other had not yet come.

If we take John's own day as the point of reference this is what we get:

Five have fallen

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo-Persia
5. Greece
__________

6. Pagan Rome (POINT OF REFERENCE)
___the one that is in John's day_____

7. Papal Rome---yet to come

But then, we have a problem because we have one that is, and in John's day, that one was Pagan Rome and the other one which had not yet come was Papal Rome. But what about the beast of Revelation 11, Atheistic France, and the lamb-like beast of Rev.13, Apostate Protestantism? So if we take John's day as the point of reference, we have to say, 5 have fallen, one is, and THREE are yet to come! But does the Bible say that? It doesn't.

But if we take the point of reference given us directly from verse 3 of chapter 17, which is the time after 1798, we now ask the question: which are the five which have fallen? It is, very obviously:

1. Babylon
2. Medo-Persia
3. Greece
4. Pagan Rome
5. Papal Rome

6. Atheism in France (King of the south) after 1798... (POINT OF REFERENCE) Atheism is the one that is since 1798 pushing at the king of the north.

7. Apostate Protestantism (the one which is yet to come; Apostate Protestantism does not have a kingdom yet but when it shall receive power from the state it will have a kingdom; Apostate Protestantism is one of the 10 horns))

What was the satanic form which took over from Papal Rome after 1798? Atheism. Revelation 11:7; The Great Controversy, p.269,270. And what is the other one which has not yet come? The lamb-like beast of Revelation 13, Apostate Protestantism.

Papal Rome is the eighth being of the seven which was before 1798, is not after 1798 (going into obcsurity), and yet is again when her deadly wound is finally healed with the help of Apostate Protestantism.
 
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"And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as king with the beast. They are one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast." Rev.17:12.

What is the popular interpretation of what these 10 horns or ten kings are? The common market countries of ancient Europe: Noway, Sweeden, Germany, Denmark, England, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal.

But this conclusion we cannot accept for one important reason. What is it in the text itself which would make it an impossibility for those ancient European kings to be the ten horns or the ten kings of Revelation 17:12? The text says that THESE KINGS HAVE RECEIVED NO POWER AS KINGS YET and they will not receive power as kings until one hour with the beast.

Does England have power as a kingdom today? Certainly. Does France have power as a kingdom today? It does. Does Germany have power as a kingdom today? Yes, it does. So do all the European countries. Therefore, not one of those countries are the powers mentioned here in Revelation 17:12.

One more thing, we cannot limit the ten horns (kings) on this beast to anything less than the territory occupied by this beast which is the entire world. The ten countries of Europe are only a small part of that territory today. Whatever territory is occupied by the beast is occupied by the horns on the beast. Therefore, the ten kings occupy how much of the world? All of it.

Verse 13: "These have one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast."

"In the warfare to be waged in the last days, there will be united, in opposition to God's people, all the corrupt powers that have apostatized from allegiance to the law of God. There will be a universal bond of union, one great harmony, a confederacy of Satan's forces. 'And shall give their power and strength to the beast.'"

"What is it that gives its kingdom to this power (to the papacy)? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath." E.G. White, Bible Commentary, Vol.7, p.983.

Does Apostate Protestantism have a power as a kingdom today? No, but when it receives the power of the State, it will be a kingdom then for one hour (short time) with the beast. The ten kings (horns) are the peoples of this earth distributed in the ten major world religions:

1. Protestantism
2. Catholicism
3. Greek Orthodox
4. Judaism
5. Islam
6. Buddhism
7. Shintuism
8. Confucianism
9. Hinduism
10. Communism

These will receive power from the state to make an image to the beast and they will give their power and authority to the papacy and reign with her for a short time.