Is jesus a god ?

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danschance

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Jesus were a prophet of God.
God is only one.God does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things.He sent prophets in this world to guide the human beings.so, there came many prophets in the world to guide the human beings.These prophets asked people to worship only one God.
If God is only one then what is the Holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit a part of God or a friend of his?

This is where your logic starts to break down. The bible speaks of only one God but calls "The Father" God, the Holy Spirit as being God and the Son as being God. We Christians do not worship three Gods. We only worship one God.

This is what the Trinity is about. 3 persons are the one God. You may reject this but this is clearly what the bible teaches.
 
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HEknowsme

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John1: 14-18

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) 16 For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.4 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God,5 who is at the Father's side,6 he has made him known.
 
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mohamet is in hell


Jesus were a prophet of God.
God is only one.God does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things.He sent prophets in this world to guide the human beings.so, there came many prophets in the world to guide the human beings.These prophets asked people to worship only one God.
 
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GraceBeUntoYou

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The only problem is this silly math problem does not fit what we are talking about. It's common sense to know that if I'm ME, then I cannot be someone else as well.

I can care less who believes in a trinity. You are still my brethren and I love you. Just don't condemn me over not believing in it. God is a Spirit, from out of the mouth we are having a disscussion about right now.
The problem is, you seem to have mistaken Trinitarianism for Modalism. Trinitarians do not suggest that Christ is the Father, but that He is a distinct figure who sits at the right hand of the Father, existing simultaneously together (albeit, sitting at the right hand of the Father, sharing the great white throne). We recognize that "God" can be applied to the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, with or without exclusion to the others. There are times where the Father is given the title with exclusion to the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and then there are times where the Son is given the title with exclusion to the Father. The same came be said of the title κύριος ("Lord").

The New Testament is filled with references of Christ as κύριος (“Lord”); however, as we come across these references, we often think of them as “off-the-cuff” remarks, and give no real thought to the relevance of such a title.

The authors of the New Testament utilize κύριος to refer to one’s master or sovereign, and is used as a title of honor in which a subservient may greet their master (1 Peter 3.6). However, κύριος is also the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Adonai, a term Jews would speak aloud when citing Old Testament texts which make mention of the Divine Name. This phenomenon is seen also in copies of the LXX/Septuagint, where κύριος is used as a surrogate for the Tetragrammaton. The evidence is unequivocal that this was also the practice of the New Testament authors, since they also use κύριος in place of the Divine Name when citing Old Testament texts. It just so happens that it is common practice for the NT authors to utilize such OT passages in reference to Christ.
 

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mohamet is in hell
You don't know that. Jesus loves him just as he loved those that killed him.

Mohammed was a salesman for a false ideology and political system, and deserves hell just like you and I do. But saying he is in hell is judging him. I believe many reach out to Jesus in their final moments, whether he did or not is beside the point. We're all bad people, and you or I could have been Mohammed under the right circumstances.
 
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Adinah

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Do U BELIEVE JESUS IS A GOD ! SO PROVE IT ! U BELIEVE IN A TRINITY OF GODS ! THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ? ARE THEY ALL GODS ? PLEASE ! DON'T SAY 3 = 1 BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN LOGICAL ! u're Brother ! let talk peacefully ! if u have the truth show it ! ^^
Prove that He's not.
 
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Adinah

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The Trinity is elusive.

The Jews lost the recipe....that is why Jewish scriptures are mostly comprised of how they messed up proper worship and turned to idol worship, etc. Literally thousands upon thousands of verses in the OT proclaim this message.

I would think that God wants us to get it right, otherwise why spend so much time informing the prophets how they got it WRONG?
You know? Those guys lasted an awful long time. The United States has barely lasted 300 years and we're already going down...
 
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Exoaria

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It's not logical?
The peace of God transcends all human understanding. How much more the intricate workings of His body?

If there is an elephant in a pitch black room and I shin a light on the elephants leg, does that mean that the elephants leg is not the elephant? Then if I shine my light on the elephants trunk, does that mean that the trunk and the leg must be two different elephants? What about if I then shine my light on the elephants tail, that's something completely different altogether! We have a leg, a trunk and a tail - is it logical that there can be three aspects of an elephant without there being three different elephants?

This is how the Trinity operates. The leg is still the elephant, however it serves a different purpose than the trunk serves. Likewise that the tail is still the elephant but serves a different purpose than the leg. They are all different aspects of the same elephant.
 
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The problem is, you seem to have mistaken Trinitarianism for Modalism. Trinitarians do not suggest that Christ is the Father, but that He is a distinct figure who sits at the right hand of the Father, existing simultaneously together (albeit, sitting at the right hand of the Father, sharing the great white throne). We recognize that "God" can be applied to the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit, with or without exclusion to the others. There are times where the Father is given the title with exclusion to the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and then there are times where the Son is given the title with exclusion to the Father. The same came be said of the title κύριος ("Lord").

The New Testament is filled with references of Christ as κύριος (“Lord”); however, as we come across these references, we often think of them as “off-the-cuff” remarks, and give no real thought to the relevance of such a title.

The authors of the New Testament utilize κύριος to refer to one’s master or sovereign, and is used as a title of honor in which a subservient may greet their master (1 Peter 3.6). However, κύριος is also the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Adonai, a term Jews would speak aloud when citing Old Testament texts which make mention of the Divine Name. This phenomenon is seen also in copies of the LXX/Septuagint, where κύριος is used as a surrogate for the Tetragrammaton. The evidence is unequivocal that this was also the practice of the New Testament authors, since they also use κύριος in place of the Divine Name when citing Old Testament texts. It just so happens that it is common practice for the NT authors to utilize such OT passages in reference to Christ.
Nothing about this is simple. Do I have to study greek and hebrew in order to understand God? I have 3 children, none of them the same age as me. In the beginning was the Word. Was this another being apart from the Father? No! The Father is an INVISIBLE Spirit. The Word of that Spirit is the PHYSICAL manifestation of that invisible Spirit. When the Father spoke, the voice heard was Christ.
 
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It's not logical?
The peace of God transcends all human understanding. How much more the intricate workings of His body?

If there is an elephant in a pitch black room and I shin a light on the elephants leg, does that mean that the elephants leg is not the elephant? Then if I shine my light on the elephants trunk, does that mean that the trunk and the leg must be two different elephants? What about if I then shine my light on the elephants tail, that's something completely different altogether! We have a leg, a trunk and a tail - is it logical that there can be three aspects of an elephant without there being three different elephants?

This is how the Trinity operates. The leg is still the elephant, however it serves a different purpose than the trunk serves. Likewise that the tail is still the elephant but serves a different purpose than the leg. They are all different aspects of the same elephant.
The "leg" is not an elephant. Only the leg of one.
 
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Houly

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To us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

That son is Jesus Christ, the body of God.

The Trinity of God consists of Father (will), Son (flesh), and Holy Spirit (soul).
He made us in His image: mind, body, soul.
 

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#52
Jesus were a prophet of God.
God is only one.God does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things.He sent prophets in this world to guide the human beings.so, there came many prophets in the world to guide the human beings.These prophets asked people to worship only one God.




Hebrews 1:3
The Supremacy of the Son
God’s Final Word in His Son


1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. - NASB

apaugasma: radiance
Original Word: ἀπαύγασμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: apaugasma
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ow'-gas-mah)
Short Definition: a light flashing forth, radiation, gleam
Definition: a light flashing forth (from), radiation, gleam.

541 apaúgasma (from 575 /apó, "from" which intensifies 826 /augázō, "shine," derived from augē/"dawn") – properly, someone who literally "shines," (is radiant). 541 (apaúgasma) is only used in Heb 1:3 where it refers to Christ's eternal radiance – supremely reflecting the effulgent glory of the Godhead. His eternal light breaks through all the darkness that keeps someone in spiritual ignorance (bondage), i.e. every resistance exerted by sin.

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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:4
In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 1:9-10
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
 
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GreenNnice

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Do U BELIEVE JESUS IS A GOD ! SO PROVE IT ! U BELIEVE IN A TRINITY OF GODS ! THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ? ARE THEY ALL GODS ? PLEASE ! DON'T SAY 3 = 1 BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN LOGICAL ! u're Brother ! let talk peacefully ! if u have the truth show it ! ^^
Obey the power of Him. :)

“And anyone who believes in God's Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn't obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God's angry judgment.”
 

zone

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Titus 2
11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

15 These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.
 
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HEknowsme

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1 John 5 :6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to us who are being save it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. 26 Brothers, think of what you were when you were called Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God t chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things--and the things that are not--to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

If you be a wealthy land owner and you have a son and many servants. As the land owner you may give to whom you like. The Son inherits and speaks on the behalf of the Father , yet He stands to inherit all from the Father and If the Son or the Father sends a Servant into a foreign land to represent the land owner He speaks on the behalf of the Father and the Son.
They are three separate but yet of one word.
Jesus is The SON of GOD.
 
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Peace be with you, did GOD manifest in you and me to build the New Covenant? Did you and me died on the Cross for the world's sins? Or did HE manifest only in JESUS by HIS very own SPIRIT called the HOLY SPIRIT to build the New Covenant? Didn't the HOLY SPIRIT resurrect JESUS to life on the 3rd day? Isn't JESUS ascended to Heaven to be beside the FATHER until today to pray and plead for all who are of the New Covenant, born again to excel in faith abiding in HIS SON's teachings of the FATHER the HOLY SPIRIT who made that Covenant for you and me? If this is not logical to you then you are blind, who do not have the knowledge of the truth from the FATHER to have faith to honor HIS SON.
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST have mercy upon your soul.
Do not try to fish to find the answer because you already must know grace and truth of the MESSIAH who have already brought and justified and completed with the Apostles, clearly 'by grace through faith' initially already shown to you by HIS FATHER to continue in faith with HIS SON's teachings.
 
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Peace be with you, GOD Himself proclaims above all angels that JESUS is GOD in the book of Hebrews.
 
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Peace be with you, for JESUS is the chosen spirit vessel chosen by GOD, prophesied by the Jewish prophets of the Old Covenant, the MESSIAH to come, acknowledged by the believing Jews by GOD's given initial faith and also acknowledged by GOD Himself, as HIS only begotten SON to speak for GOD to build the New Covenant to all who believe and together with JESUS's teachings bear fruit.
 
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Jesus were a prophet of God.
God is only one.God does not have any son or daughter.He is above such things.He sent prophets in this world to guide the human beings.so, there came many prophets in the world to guide the human beings.These prophets asked people to worship only one God.
Even in the Koran, Jesus is God.
 
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GreenNnice

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God made Himself known to us through His Holy Spirit, who became baby Jesus. :)