i try my best to live like Christ and how things could help me be better for myself and others, i dont follow the law or what other people believe, i follow Christ and tend to do his will. And even if tattoos werent wrong, Paul has taught me in the bible, if something makes people see you like you are bad, like evil, then get rid of it or dont do it anymore. that is, things that dont need or have to be. tattoos dont do anything for Christ. yet they dont hurt. but lets say if my family would see me as a bad Christian then i'll not get a tattoo to make myself seem like a bad Christian. are they just judging badly? sometimes, but for the Lord we'll just not do those things to make ourselves not upset others or set bad example
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Lev 19:28 You are not to make gashes on your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves; I am Yahweh.
God does speak about tattoos. Someone posted that what you do doesn't count, God just looks at the spirit. But God tells us over and over that what we do does count, and God uses the physical to show the spiritual over and over. So that is reporting a falsehood about God. Someone said that anything in the OT doesn't count for us, but God says it is scripture and for us to learn from it. God never once wrote in scripture not to learn from the OT. So that is false.
We are told our bodies are the temple, it replaces the temple spoken of in the OT. I don't think that God wants His temple to be stuck with pins filled with ink that will not wash off. When God oversaw the building of the temple that held the ark, God was quite particular and specific about everything about it. God didn't allow any man to decide how it was to be decorated. Even if someone would have decided it was a good idea to make a gold sign saying they loved God to hang in His temple, God would have objected for it was holy. I don't see how people's reasoning could come up with that God approves adding ink to our bodies. Only if man is their guide instead of God.
God does speak about tattoos. Someone posted that what you do doesn't count, God just looks at the spirit. But God tells us over and over that what we do does count, and God uses the physical to show the spiritual over and over. So that is reporting a falsehood about God. Someone said that anything in the OT doesn't count for us, but God says it is scripture and for us to learn from it. God never once wrote in scripture not to learn from the OT. So that is false.
We are told our bodies are the temple, it replaces the temple spoken of in the OT. I don't think that God wants His temple to be stuck with pins filled with ink that will not wash off. When God oversaw the building of the temple that held the ark, God was quite particular and specific about everything about it. God didn't allow any man to decide how it was to be decorated. Even if someone would have decided it was a good idea to make a gold sign saying they loved God to hang in His temple, God would have objected for it was holy. I don't see how people's reasoning could come up with that God approves adding ink to our bodies. Only if man is their guide instead of God.
Excellent point about the masses.
From "Final Report of the Independent Commission of Experts Switzerland – Second World War"
WebCite query result
"[the Swiss] by progressively closing the borders, delivering captured refugees over to their persecutors, and adhering to restrictive principles for far too long, the country stood by as many people were undoubtedly driven to certain death."
«Refugees who have fled purely on racial grounds, e.g., Jews, cannot be considered political refugees». Such people should be refused entry without exception. The first time they tried to enter Switzerland they should be simply sent back across the border; if they tried again they should be handed over to the relevant authorities on the other side.
From "Final Report of the Independent Commission of Experts Switzerland – Second World War"
WebCite query result
"[the Swiss] by progressively closing the borders, delivering captured refugees over to their persecutors, and adhering to restrictive principles for far too long, the country stood by as many people were undoubtedly driven to certain death."
«Refugees who have fled purely on racial grounds, e.g., Jews, cannot be considered political refugees». Such people should be refused entry without exception. The first time they tried to enter Switzerland they should be simply sent back across the border; if they tried again they should be handed over to the relevant authorities on the other side.
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Holocaust Day: Ceremonies and Themes - Jewish World - News - Israel National News
A Swiss police commander, he saved more than 3,600 Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis by providing them with false papers enabling them to enter neutral Switzerland. Grueninger took these actions at great personal cost at a time when his country generally closed its doors to Jews.
There is people with a heart in every country at any time, and not any developed country who participated to WW2 could claim to not have get their hands dirty, including US :
Secret Army volunteer's widow blames VA for spouse's death - CNN.com
Vets feel abandoned after secret drug experiments - CNN.com
From 1955 to 1975, military researchers at Edgewood were using not only animals but human subjects to test a witches' brew of drugs and chemicals. They ranged from potentially lethal nerve gases like VX and sarin to incapacitating agents like BZ.
If you don't believe that last part, you could order to the CIA the CD set of the declassified CIA mind control documents...but I won't do it if I were you...your name could be written on a list somewhere...good search...
Commander Grueninger, he's a real idol, the true image of a man.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
<lots of fascinating Rassenhygiene stuff removed>
Thanks for the warning.
[video=youtube;F4YBtQCe4ac]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YBtQCe4ac[/video]
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
<lots of fascinating Rassenhygiene stuff removed>
Thanks for the warning.
[video=youtube;F4YBtQCe4ac]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YBtQCe4ac[/video]
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Ridiculous ! This is a way to blackmailing people who want to do the Lord's Will the best they can ! Remember the law was written for the unjust ones, not for the righteous ones ! And remember the 10 commandments and all the Leviticus law are ONE ! If you want to get rid of the Leviticus law, than you have to get rid of the 10 commandments as well, you have to get rid of " thou shalt not kill " as well !
Well, no one but Jesus is able to accomplish the Law perfectly! But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to accomplish the Lord's Will the best we can ! With the Lord's Help, anyone could at least get close to perfection and becomes like an angel
( Stephen looked like an angel before he was stoned to death in Jerusalem ).
But if someone does nothing because they say
" everyone's a sinner on earth, nobody's perfect, let's fornicate, drink and eat, we'll die tomorrow anyway " then this is just plain evil and this is not part in any way of Lord's Will !
Well, no one but Jesus is able to accomplish the Law perfectly! But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to accomplish the Lord's Will the best we can ! With the Lord's Help, anyone could at least get close to perfection and becomes like an angel
( Stephen looked like an angel before he was stoned to death in Jerusalem ).
But if someone does nothing because they say
" everyone's a sinner on earth, nobody's perfect, let's fornicate, drink and eat, we'll die tomorrow anyway " then this is just plain evil and this is not part in any way of Lord's Will !
You don't understand. It's the Holy Spirit that drives us to fulfill the law to perfection (moral things, spiritual things, not physical things), not your own effort. You restrict the Spirit from working in you by focusing on the laws and it is an outward sign of faithlessness. We aren't promoting sin, rather, the opposite. We aren't promoting doing nothing. We promote righteousness through faith, not condemnation through law obedience. Should we still be physically circumcised?
Galatians
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[a] the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[a] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Also read Romans 14:10-23
Galatians
3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by[a] the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[a] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Also read Romans 14:10-23
No you don't have to get rid of it, it's part of the New Testament also as Jesus states the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
Luke 10:25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.” (ESV)
Christians have two commandments, all of the 10 Commandments, including murder but not including Sabbath, are contained within the two.
The Law is God's will for Jews. God's will for goyim Christians is in the New Testament.
Luke 9:23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. (ESV)
John 20:17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. (ESV)
That's heresy.
Acts 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Luke 10:25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.” (ESV)
Christians have two commandments, all of the 10 Commandments, including murder but not including Sabbath, are contained within the two.
The Law is God's will for Jews. God's will for goyim Christians is in the New Testament.
Luke 9:23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. (ESV)
John 20:17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. (ESV)
That's heresy.
Acts 15:28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Paul Grüninger absolutely heroic and a good example for all of us, he bore his cross for his whole life by telling the Swiss government what they could do with their "laws".
From Paul Grüninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"He backdated passports to indicate that they had entered earlier. One year later he was convicted of fraud, and sentenced both to a prison term and to pay a fine. As an ex-convict, he found it hard to get a job, and struggled to make a living. He died in poverty in 1972, without ever having his heroism recognized."
Eugenics, my mistake (it happens often). Police Commander Grüninger, God bless him, was Swiss Protestant, so the Vatican didn't run their eugenics "requirements" on the Grüninger family.
I am at least 174 cm tall
The Swiss Guard - Admission Requirements
From tattoos to mark of the beast to Switzerland to Auschwitz to the United States back to Switzerland then to Vatican. Wow! Where next?
http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...ople-push-back-justice-roosting-chickens.html
From Paul Grüninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"He backdated passports to indicate that they had entered earlier. One year later he was convicted of fraud, and sentenced both to a prison term and to pay a fine. As an ex-convict, he found it hard to get a job, and struggled to make a living. He died in poverty in 1972, without ever having his heroism recognized."
Eugenics, my mistake (it happens often). Police Commander Grüninger, God bless him, was Swiss Protestant, so the Vatican didn't run their eugenics "requirements" on the Grüninger family.
I am at least 174 cm tall
The Swiss Guard - Admission Requirements
From tattoos to mark of the beast to Switzerland to Auschwitz to the United States back to Switzerland then to Vatican. Wow! Where next?
http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...ople-push-back-justice-roosting-chickens.html
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YOU don't understand ! Did you read well what I wrote or did you automatically deduce I was some kind of " fundamentalist " and just poured me with your own loose interpretation of Scriptures ?
Don't be fooled by your clouded judgment,
I have nothing to learn from people who think it's heretical to follow the Lord's Will as a little child !
Shame to these false accusations of yours !
Don't be fooled by your clouded judgment,
I have nothing to learn from people who think it's heretical to follow the Lord's Will as a little child !
Shame to these false accusations of yours !
Calm down bud, I wasn't taking a shot at you. I read what you said and I agree with it mostly. I'm not advocating that we don't do the Lord's will. I never made the claim that following His will was heretical. I never claimed it was ok to kill someone. It is not a loose understanding of those scriptures. They are fairly simple to understand.
But going around shouting at everyone who has a tattoo and thumping them on the head with your bible as you claim they are prepping for the mark of the beast is a bit much don't you think? Does someone else having a tattoo in some way hurt your own faith? If they have it in good faith, are they sinning for having it? Should we still physically circumcise our children and kill them for misbehaving?
Who is making the false accusation here? Who is the one running around accusing people of sin and comparing it to the mark of the beast? Who is the one causing doubt to conceive in the minds of those who are in good faith? Have you burned any witches lately?
The physical governing laws are not for us. The moral and spiritual laws still stand. Love God and love your neighbor and you will fulfill those without any problems. The ten commandments are not governing or ritualistic laws. We are free from those types of laws.
Are you upholding your love thy neighbor commandment by getting so worked up and accusing your brothers and sisters with tattoos of sinning and even comparing it to taking the mark of the beast? Where is your patience?
But going around shouting at everyone who has a tattoo and thumping them on the head with your bible as you claim they are prepping for the mark of the beast is a bit much don't you think? Does someone else having a tattoo in some way hurt your own faith? If they have it in good faith, are they sinning for having it? Should we still physically circumcise our children and kill them for misbehaving?
Who is making the false accusation here? Who is the one running around accusing people of sin and comparing it to the mark of the beast? Who is the one causing doubt to conceive in the minds of those who are in good faith? Have you burned any witches lately?
The physical governing laws are not for us. The moral and spiritual laws still stand. Love God and love your neighbor and you will fulfill those without any problems. The ten commandments are not governing or ritualistic laws. We are free from those types of laws.
Are you upholding your love thy neighbor commandment by getting so worked up and accusing your brothers and sisters with tattoos of sinning and even comparing it to taking the mark of the beast? Where is your patience?