Sabbath Confusion

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“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh
Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons

Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws."

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

“I am going to propose a very plain and serious question to those who follow ‘the Bible and the Bible only’ to give their most earnest attention. It is this: Why don’t you keep holy the Sabbath day?... “The command of the Almighty God stands clearly written in the Bible in these words: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work.’ Exodus 20:8-10...
“You will answer me, perhaps, that you do keep the Sabbath; for that you abstain from all worldly business and diligently go to church, and say your prayers, and read your Bible at home every Sunday of your lives...
“But Sunday is not the Sabbath day. Sunday is the first day of the week: the Sabbath day is the seventh day of the week. Almighty God did not give a commandment that men should keep holy one day in seven; but He named His own day, and said distinctly: ‘Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day’; and He assigned a reason for choosing this day rather than any other - a reason which belongs only to the seventh day of the week, and cannot be applied to the rest. He says, ‘For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it’, Exodus 20:11, Genesis 2:1-3. Almighty God ordered that all men should rest from their labor on the seventh day, because He too had rested on that day: He did not rest on Sunday, but on Saturday. On Sunday, which is the first day of the week, He began the work of creation; He did not finish it. It was on Saturday that He ‘ended His work which he had made: and God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.’ Genesis 2:2-3...
“Nothing can be more plain and easy to understand than all this; there is nobody who attempts to deny it. It is acknowledged by everybody that the day which Almighty God appointed to be kept holy was Saturday, not Sunday. Why do you then keep holy the Sunday and not Saturday?
“You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! But by whom? Who has the authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, ‘Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day’, who shall dare to say, ‘Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the seventh day: but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?’ This is a most important question, which I know not how you answer...
“You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet, in so important a manner as the observance of one day in seven as the holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded. The command to keep holy the seventh day is one of the Ten Commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding. Who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible, and the Bible only you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.” Excerpts from “Why Don’t You Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?”, pages 3-15 in The Clifton Tract, vol. 4, published by the Roman Catholic Church 1869.

“Written by the finger of God on two tables of stone, this Divine code (ten commandments) was received from the Almighty by Moses amid the thunders of Mount Sinai...Christ resumed these Commandments in the double precept of charity--love of God and of the neighbour; He proclaimed them as binding under the New Law in Matthew 19 and in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5)...The (Catholic) Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s Day...He (God) claims one day out of the seven as a memorial to Himself, and this must be kept holy...”The Catholic Encyclopaedia, vol. 4, “The Ten Commandments”, 1908 edition by Robert Appleton Company; and 1999 Online edition by Kevin Knight, Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.
“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day’? I answer no!”
“Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter.


“Question. - How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
“Answer. - By the very act of changing Sabbath into Sunday which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.
“Question. - How prove you that?
“Answer. - Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.” An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, composed by Henry Tuberville, p. 58.

“Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The (Roman Catholic) Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days.” John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, 1936 edition, vol. 1, p. 51.

“Question. What warrant have you for keeping Sunday preferably to the ancient sabbath which was Saturday?
“Answer. We have for it the authority of the Catholic church and apostolic tradition.
“Question. Does the Scripture anywhere command the Sunday to be kept for the Sabbath?
“Answer. The Scripture commands us to hear the church (St.Matt.18:17; St. Luke 10:16), and to hold fast the traditions of the apostles. 2 Thess 2:15. But the Scripture does not in particular mention this change of the Sabbath. (Yes it actually does, Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws.")
 

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“Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the (Roman Catholic) Church, has no good reasons for its Sunday theory, and ought logically to keep Saturday as the Sabbath.” John Gilmary Shea, American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...The Protestant World at its birth found the Christian Sabbath too strongly entrenched to run counter to its existence; it was therefore placed under the necessity of acquiescing in the arrangement, thus implying the (Catholic) Church’s right to change the day, for over three hundred years. The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day, the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant World.” James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983.

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.
“Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

“From this we may understand how great is the authority of the church in interpreting or explaining to us the commandments of God - an authority which is acknowledged by the universal practice of the whole Christian world, even of those sects which profess to take the holy Scriptures as their sole rule of faith, since they observe as the day of rest not the seventh day of the week demanded by the Bible, but the first day. Which we know is to be kept holy, only from the tradition and teaching of the Catholic church.” Henry Gibson, Catechism Made Easy, #2, 9th edition, vol. 1, p. 341-342.

“.’ AnI have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week and lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.” father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford,Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802

“The (Roman Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.” The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

“Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
“1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
“2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws...
 

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“The arguments...are firmly grounded on the word of God, and having been closely studied with the Bible in hand, leave no escape for the conscientious Protestant except the abandonment of Sunday worship and the return to Saturday, commanded by their teacher, the Bible, or, unwilling to abandon the tradition of the Catholic Church, which enjoins the keeping of Sunday, and which they have accepted in direct opposition to their teacher, the Bible, consistently accept her (the Catholic Church) in all her teachings. Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” James Cardinal Gibbons, in Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

And if you don't believe the Catholic Churchis is the beast spoken of in Daniyl and Revelation:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws."

Clearly changed the Sabbath and more

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

Daniyl 7:19-21, "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his claws of bronze; which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with his feet; And of the ten horns that were on his
head, and of the other horn which came up, before gwhom three fell--the horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout; more mighty and imposing, than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them."

Foxe's Book of Martyrs historically records the Romans killing 11 of the 12 apostles, including Kepha (Peter), and beheading Shaul (Paul). It is estimated to have killed 50million to 1 billion all toghther, now you know where they got all those skulls for the catacombs.

Revelation 13:5-6, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to wmake war for forty-two moons; months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name, and His House, and those who dwell in heaven."

Pope says not to use the Name of Yaweh: Vatican Says No 'Yahweh' In Songs, Prayers At Catholic Masses - Music & Dance - Entertainment - Catholic Online

Revelation 17:4, "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication."

purple and scarlet color


a golden cup in her hand


Revelation 17:6, "And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Yahshua."

 

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Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."



Revelation 13:18, "Here is wisdom: Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the asnumber of a man. And his number is 666."


SUN day Worship
 

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And no Yahshua did not Resurrect on SUNday, The first thing one must understand is what is a day Scriptually, not a day according to the Bablonian/Julian calendar we use in America and most the world. Then all the Scriptures from all 4 books have to be looked at togather, and even some of the original words. I have a video I did this on, spent hours and hours on it, please check it out.

Resurrection - YouTube

And here is a more complete study on Mystery Babylon

And upon her head a name was written - YouTube
 
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Do we not yet understand that the design and purpose of the Roman Catholic Church is to play on the fears and superstitions of the people? They have read the same symbolism in the bible as we did!
 

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Revelation 18:3-4, "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her....Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues."
 
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The truth is the system as a whole. Anything that puts a man in division with another has to go! The beast system can only profit in a divided world, but Satan divided against itself CANNOT stand. In other words, how can a government give out funds to help feed the poor AND pay farmers NOT to grow food?

This can't be!
 
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Revelation 18:3-4, "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her....Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues."
Exactly. Come out of this divisive system or we will act worse then we did in the 1920,s. That was simply a trial run to see where the mindset of the people was at.
 

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Exactly. Come out of this divisive system or we will act worse then we did in the 1920,s. That was simply a trial run to see where the mindset of the people was at.
Im impressed! Also did you see the almost 50% (they said 9% then quit talking about it on news) taken out of the peoples bank accounts in Cypress? Cypress because it's an isolated test, its on an island.The same day that happened Chase bank had a "glitch" and everybodys accout read $0, if the severs and back up servers went down how would your accout read $0.
Test to see what would happen.

How how about the Change of the Sabbath?
 

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SpiritofFire quote:"The truth is the system as a whole. Anything that puts a man in division with another has to go! The beast system can only profit in a divided world, but Satan divided against itself CANNOT stand. In other words, how can a government give out funds to help feed the poor AND pay farmers NOT to grow food?

This can't be!"

Those crops they give out are Monsanto's (Monsatan's) GMO (genetically modified organisims) that don't produce seed and cause cancer, tumors, organ faluire and infertility by the 3rd generation. Were about 1 1/2 generations into eating it in America. 70%-80% of all our crops here are GMO.

I don't watch TV or listen to 99% of music, but here is a music video about it, these an woman from India talking about the effect of control these crops bring.

FOOD FIGHT: Bullies Poisoning The 'Hood Get Splattered! -- Earth Amplified, feat. Stic of Dead Prez - YouTube
 
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Im impressed! Also did you see the almost 50% (they said 9% then quit talking about it on news) taken out of the peoples bank accounts in Cypress? Cypress because it's an isolated test, its on an island.The same day that happened Chase bank had a "glitch" and everybodys accout read $0, if the severs and back up servers went down how would your accout read $0.
Test to see what would happen.

How how about the Change of the Sabbath?
The true sabbath has nothing to do with saturday. Everyday of the week He is God. Research on the empty homes around the world. The cars and food and everything else. When it breaks down, we will have enough. But those still holding on to the system will be tormented just as the people were when the stock market crashed.
 
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SpiritofFire quote:"The truth is the system as a whole. Anything that puts a man in division with another has to go! The beast system can only profit in a divided world, but Satan divided against itself CANNOT stand. In other words, how can a government give out funds to help feed the poor AND pay farmers NOT to grow food?

This can't be!"

Those crops they give out are Monsanto's (Monsatan's) GMO (genetically modified organisims) that don't produce seed and cause cancer, tumors, organ faluire and infertility by the 3rd generation. Were about 1 1/2 generations into eating it in America. 70%-80% of all our crops here are GMO.

I don't watch TV or listen to 99% of music, but here is a music video about it, these an woman from India talking about the effect of control these crops bring.

FOOD FIGHT: Bullies Poisoning The 'Hood Get Splattered! -- Earth Amplified, feat. Stic of Dead Prez - YouTube


I believe you. The next world war is not for money or resources, they have all of that. It is simply to kill us off. WE ARE TOO MANY TO CONTROL! It was the same problem that pharaoh had.
 

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The true sabbath has nothing to do with saturday.
Keeping the 7th day Sabbath is the mark of Yahweh:

Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh
Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."

satan has gone to great lengths to get people to disregard Sabbath. I know you have your beliefs as I have mine, and I feel you are no fool after briefly talking to you, so all im saying is look into it a bit, pray on it, Scriptually speaking THE SABBATH IS THE MARK OF YAHWEH.
 

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Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a sign (could easily be translated MARK) to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt.

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Revelation 14:9-12, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh, which is poured out without dilution into the cup of His indignation. And he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy malakim, and in the presence of the Lamb; And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever. And they have no Sabbath night and day (because the beast changed the Sabbath), who worship the beast and his likeness, and whoever receives the mark of his name. In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah.

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes,
your actions are with your "hand" and your belief/faith is done with your "memorial between your eyes."
 
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Keeping the 7th day Sabbath is the mark of Yahweh:

Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh
Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."
satan has gone to great lengths to get people to disregard Sabbath. I know you have your beliefs as I have mine, and I feel you are no fool after briefly talking to you, so all im saying is look into it a bit, pray on it, Scriptually speaking THE SABBATH IS THE MARK OF YAHWEH.


You are correct, the sign or mark of God is the sabbath. But I ask you this. Is it a good thing and lawful to worship God on ANY day of the week?
Yes it is! The sabbath is those that are dead in Christ.
 
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I wish each and every Christian in the world would go to the bible and history and follow how our Christian church developed, hundred year by hundred year. We have enough material that has been saved that we can do that, now.

You can see in Acts the problem of the Jews lifestyle and the gentile lifestyle and how they clashed. Think of yourself as a gentile who worshipped on Sunday, always had. Nimrod, great grandson of Noah started a religion worshipping the sun and the idol worshippers followed suite. The Jews worship included every step of their everyday life, it is how both Jesus and Paul lived. For thousands of years it had always been that any time a gentile decided to accept the Jew's God, they became Jews, accepted their lifestyle. Christian Jews never gave a thought to changing their lifestyle, only that the gentile should change theirs.

Most of the letters of the NT revolve around this problem.

Then the temple was destroyed in a war, and by 136 the Bar Kokhba Rebolt had killed off the Christian Jews. Besides, the Christian Jews wouldn't join the orthodox Jews in the revolt because Kokhba was called the messiah. That made the orthodox angry. Now, gentile men led the church, and more and more they talked of separating from those strange Jews, but the idea hadn't taken absolute hold of them. Even in the year 250 most Christians wouldn't have considered that all of Judaism was wrong, even as they watched the Jews denying that Christ was the messiah. Gentiles weren't thinking about connecting the two ideas.

Now a pagan emperor of Rome, dabbling in Christianity, decided to make Christianity the state religion. You can imagine the problems of that if our president ordered you to become Muslim. He also wanted no disagreements about what this religion stood for. He called a council, said he would not have a thing to do with it, but they had to decide about Christianity. He did actively participate, though, and he wanted those hated Jews to have nothing at all to do with this new religion.

This Nicene Council ruled that Christ was indeed God, and that Passover should become Easter. A quote from the minutes of the Council reads: "And in the first place, it seemed very unworthy for us to keep this most sacred feast following the custom of the Jews, a people who have soiled their hands in a most terrible outrage, and have thus polluted their souls, and are now deservedly blind. "

It was the Council of 364 that outlawed Saturday worship as too Jewish.

I don't think it was scripture telling us to change our worship day at all. I think it is scripture telling us that worshipping God is more than the day you choose for obeying about rest.

I would rather follow what God says to do about it, though, than what an old Roman emperor and 1st century pagans said about it.
 
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You understand this maybe:

Matthew 22:40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two ...
The Greatest Commandment
37And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF'40"On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.

It doesn't get any plainer, everything you think and do, do all to the glory of God, no matter what hour no matter what day of the week.


 
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#19
Once again we are confronted with Sabbath lunacy. The charge is somehow those Catholics changed a law of God for pagan reasons, or other such nonsense.

First off the mosaic laws were never once forced on any christian in scripture. In fact Paul writes about how some Jews insisted that circumcision be kept be the gentile converts. Paul refuted these legalistic"Judaisms" several times in Scripture. Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

This verse plainly teaches us that we can eat any food and worship on any day we wish. Yet the neo-judaizers still insist on pushing defunct rules in clear violation of scripture. Scriptures such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even while the New Testament times was being written, the Sabbath is no longer being observed by Christians and that Christians are worshiping on the "Lord’s day", Sunday, instead.


Did the Catholics really change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday? Let's see what the early church father's said of this:

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day (Sunday) . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).


The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).


Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).


Clearly there is no mention of the Catholic church changing a worship day because at this point there was no Catholic! So the charge that the Catholics changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday is devoid of any facts.

1) The Catholic church had nothing to do with changing any worship day.

2) Scriptures indicate Christians observed Sunday as a day of worship.
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Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 )


3) Col. 2:16 forbids others from judging anyone on what they eat or which day they attend church
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#20
Turns out keeping the Sabbath on Saturday in 2013 doesn't grant me salvation. Hmmm. It's almost as if Jesus is the way, the truth and light, and no one comes to God but through him. Like Jesus died to forgive our sins and provide salvation and that faith in Jesus alone will get us saved.....

Nah..... let's just bicker about which day of the week we call the sabbath.

It's not like their was one united Jewish religion back then. The bible is full of different factions, and believe you me these Jewish factions were very different from each other. Just as they are today with the new factions of Jews in 2013.