The Flood in Noah's day

[Bookends]

Was the the flood global or worldwide (regional, where as a flood just wide enough to wipe out and judge mankind, and other parts of the earth where men didn't live was untouched by the flood)?

If the flood was Global, How high was the flood water? Did the water cover the whole earth include the highest mountains?

 

[AmberGardner]

It was worldwide.

Genesis 7:2 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.

Genesis 8:5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

 

[resurrection33]

Was the the flood global or worldwide (regional, where as a flood just wide enough to wipe out and judge mankind, and other parts of the earth where men didn't live was untouched by the flood)?

If the flood was Global, How high was the flood water? Did the water cover the whole earth include the highest mountains?

I think it was global because it killed everybody, except Noah and his group. It rained for a long time. Don't know if it covered the highest mountains.

 

[Bowman]

Was the the flood global or worldwide (regional, where as a flood just wide enough to wipe out and judge mankind, and other parts of the earth where men didn't live was untouched by the flood)?

If the flood was Global, How high was the flood water? Did the water cover the whole earth include the highest mountains?

The place-names, alone, mentioned in Genesis, leading up to the flood show that humanity was localized to the Mesopotamian plain. Thus, the flood would only have needed to be local in order to serve its purpose...

 

[Kingdom_Mystic]

Story of a great flood is told by many cultures and ancient religions. Flood Legends From Around the World We must remember that the people on the Earth had never seen rain before as it stated in Genesis 2 the Earth was watered by a mist.
Gen. 2 [SUP]4 [/SUP]This is the history[SUP][a][/SUP] of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, [SUP]5 [/SUP]before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; [SUP]6 [/SUP]but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. The idea is that there was water bubbling up from pockets of water under ground heated by volcanic lava under the Earth. We see similar principles with geysers. The atmosphere of the held more water and was thicker creating greater pressure. This pressure caused plants, humans, and animals to be much larger. It allowed wounds to heal quicker as well. Much of this research has been done by a creationist Carl Baugh whose site is Creation Evidence Museum of Texas Online - General Information. It is suggested that a major volcanic eruption occurred which heated the atmosphere to the point that much of the water vapor that was in the atmosphere to the earth in the form of rain. This could a possible explanation for the ice age as well. Genesis 7:"[SUP]11 [/SUP]In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights." So, as the Scripture states something came out of the Earth and caused the heavens to open up! There is evidence that a massive volcano eruption occurred according to secular scientists about 70,000 years that wiped mankind to only perhaps a few thousand people Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Grand Canyon was formed by some great event as well. Only those living at the time and God know what truly happened, but geological evidence and ancient stories for many cultures suggest such an event did occur.

 

[CoooCaw]

it was worldwide; there were no really high mountains

 

[Bryancampbell]

I do believe worldwide just as the bible depicted it. So it wiped out everyone except him and his family. Technically and physically we all come from Noah. He is every single person's ancestral grandfather.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

the flood was global...unless you subscribe to this scenario...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

current theories in biblical creationist flood geology generally suggest that the tall mountain ranges on earth today...such as the himalayas...were formed by rapid tectonic movements during the flood...

if those mountain ranges did not exist yet during a significant part of the flood then it is easily possible that even the tallest mountains of the time were totally submerged for part of the flood...

 

[nathan3]

i believe it reads that it was regional, the Noah's flood. Because, of the giants .

It reads world wide as; I believe that it was the known world at the time. And again; the purpose of the flood, was because the daughters of Adam were giving and taking in marriage to the fallen angels ( Jude 1: 6 ), which produced the giants, which were to be destroyed ( Gen. 6 ) .
I think the majority , of the giants where in that geographical location were the flood took place...

But what many people do not teach and neglect, is that there was a world wide flood, before, Noah's flood. ( Gen 1:2 ; 2 Peter 3:5 ; Jeremiah 4 )

 

[Bookends]

It was worldwide.

Genesis 7:2 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.

Genesis 8:5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

Are these all mountains?

 

[kenisyes]

Since you like my theories so much: The Flood (actually deluge) was caused by the magnetic molten core of the earth striking the single (Pangeia) continental plate from below, roughly between Brazil and Africa. The fissure gradually spread upward, and caused what is now the Atlantic rim to rise, the Pacific rim to submerge. Then, like a raft in a hurricane, the Pacific rim bounced back up and the Atlantic rim went down under some days later. So the Flood covered all the highest mountains, but not all at the same time. Rain fell the whole time and covered all the lower lands at the same time. Coriolis force took over and, since the Americas were half the size of Asia/Europe/Africa, they spun twice as fast. There were collisions at various coninental edges that cause additional problems, as did the spewing up from the oceans of various parts of the earth's mantle.

 

[oldhermit]

Flood dynamics of Gen. 8:11-24.
Eruption of ALL subterranean chambers, “The fountains of the deep burst open,”11. This is total and prolonged geological upheaval and cannot simply be reconciled with any “local flood” theories confined to the Near East. Such catastrophic activity would result in:
1. Dramatically enlarged ocean basins.
2. Elevation of the continents, Psalms 104:4-5.
3. Massive global volcanic and seismic activity – earthquakes and tsunamis.
4. Oceans of rolling mud swallowing everything.

Depth of the flood waters needed to cover the earth to the depths of the highest peaks would require 29,029' plus an additional 22' to allow for the draft of the ark. This is a water depth of 5.5 miles needed to cover the highest mountain peaks if Mt. Everest is used as the standard which it must be. Even if the mountains we know today did not exist prior to the flood they had to have been created as a result of the geological upheaval of the flood so, they would have had to have been covered by water as well.

The 'prevailing' of the waters – The waters continued to rise for 150 days, 18-24.
1. The rain stopped after 40 days.
2. The fountains of the deep continued to raise the rater level for an additional 110 days or five months, 8:2.

 

[Bookends]

current theories in biblical creationist flood geology generally suggest that the tall mountain ranges on earth today...such as the himalayas...were formed by rapid tectonic movements during the flood...

if those mountain ranges did not exist yet during a significant part of the flood then it is easily possible that even the tallest mountains of the time were totally submerged for part of the flood...

Ok well you just answer my next question then from a Global flood view point. For if the mountains were as high or almost as high as the highest mountain today, then Noah and the animals would not survive the freezing temperatures. Not all only that, but the water in which the ark road on would have froze at the surface.

But Rachael, that's a big if, I think to suggest that you didn't have high mountain ranges where life couldn't exist is stretch and a just a theory at best.

To suggest that mountain ranges suddenly existed due the flood Is another stretch, for we can study mountains today and they are all different in growth stages and in appearance. If the flood was the major factor in creating the mountains I would think that should share common characteristics.

 

[Bookends]

the flood was global...unless you subscribe to this scenario...

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If the water was truly this High Globally then where did all the water go? It it evaporate out into space somehow, or drain back into under the earth's crusts.

Young earth creationists commonly tell the old earth creationist that we don't allow for the supernatural. Well this is a good argument for YEC until they put forth pictures like this above.

 

[Bookends]

Since you like my theories so much: The Flood (actually deluge) was caused by the magnetic molten core of the earth striking the single (Pangeia) continental plate from below, roughly between Brazil and Africa. The fissure gradually spread upward, and caused what is now the Atlantic rim to rise, the Pacific rim to submerge. Then, like a raft in a hurricane, the Pacific rim bounced back up and the Atlantic rim went down under some days later. So the Flood covered all the highest mountains, but not all at the same time. Rain fell the whole time and covered all the lower lands at the same time. Coriolis force took over and, since the Americas were half the size of Asia/Europe/Africa, they spun twice as fast. There were collisions at various coninental edges that cause additional problems, as did the spewing up from the oceans of various parts of the earth's mantle.

LoL, Kenisyes, you know I do love you man!

Can you put for any evidence that supports your theory? I ask because I think we should follow the evidence where ever it leads.

 

[Agricola]

I believe at time of Noah the whole world was populated with a global trade and travel a reality, with a number of trade ships making their way across the oceans, so yes it had to be a global flood.

Another claim is that the flood account in Bible is just another copy of a general flood myth, as most cultures all have a flood story which bears similarity to the Bible account.

Athiests want to relegated Noahs flood to local as the awsome power of God is done away with, as local floods are more natural without need for God. Also it does away with the inconvenience that if we had a global flood and no one survived, then how come we have a diverse population with different stories today, the logic of atheists can not accept or see a global flood is possible.

However I beleive the flood account in the Bible is the original true account and all other stories around the world are infact re-telling the Noah flood. If you look at other flood stories, the details are not there, they are often vague and general, but the Bible gives tremendous detail.

If I told you a lengthy story and you went of and retold it to people, you would miss things out. The amazing survival of NOah and his family would have been talked about for generations after Noah, but as the generations went by and the population increased, the exact details would have been diluted and changed as different people told a different version, which is how we come by so many flood accounts that vary wildly today.

 

[oldhermit]

If the water was truly this High Globally then where did all the water go? It it evaporate out into space somehow, or drain back into under the earth's crusts.

Young earth creationists commonly tell the old earth creationist that we don't allow for the supernatural. Well this is a good argument for YEC until they put forth pictures like this above.

The Creation of the Expanse in 1:6-8 I think gives us a hint.
All of this water was already there. This is not new water

Separating the waters. At this time we are apparently looking at an earth with a level ground surface.
1. Expanse = distance.
2. How much water covered the earth? 5.5 miles minimum because this was the amount of water that will be reintroduced back onto the earth in the flood.
3. How much water then was taken up into the troposphere? At least 4 miles.
4. How much water still covered the earth? Approx. 1.5 miles. Notice that even after the creation of the expanse, the earth is still covered with water.

Considered factors are the amount of water needed to cover Mt. Everest at 29,029 feet + 22 feet to satisfy the draft of the ark = 5.5 miles of standing water. This is not that inconceivable. Mariana's Trench at its deepest known point is 36,200 feet or 6.8 miles. The expanse of verse six is the formation of an atmosphere. The water simply returned to its respective places where it was held before the flood - the atmosphere and the underground aquifers This seems also to be aided in the enlarging of the ocean beds.

The Receding Waters, 8:1-14
God used wind to facilitate the evaporation process – God uses the natural process of time and the elements – wind and heat to facilitate the redistribution of the water. Much of the water would naturally have drained back into the subterranean chambers.

The time sequence
1. For five months – 150 days the waters continued to rise.
2. After God brings the wind, it takes two months for the water to subside enough for the ark to touch ground.
3. After another two months and thirteen days, the mountain tops become visible. This probably represents a minimum water loss of 22'. This is now a total of nine months and thirteen days.
4. After forty more days, Noah opens the window of the ark. Sends out both the raven and the dove. Only the dove returns. Why. The raven, being a carnivore and a scavenger, is able to find both land and food. There are about
thirty days of time here that are unaccounted for.
5. After seven more days he sends out the dove the second time and the dove returns.
6. After another seven days he sends the dove out for the third time and the dove does not return.
7. Noah remains in the ark for another ten days.
8. Total amount of time on the ark – twelve months, and ten days.
Noah leaves the ark, 15-25

 

[kenisyes]

LoL, Kenisyes, you know I do love you man!

Can you put for any evidence that supports your theory? I ask because I think we should follow the evidence where ever it leads.

Yes, but it is extremely long. http://www.kenbehrens.com/Ancient%20Technology.pdf Staring p. 84 of the file, but you will need to read most of it, to get the terms straight. I really can't do it justice here, more than I have said.

 

[Bowman]

The Creation of the Expanse in 1:6-8 I think gives us a hint.
All of this water was already there. This is not new water

Separating the waters. At this time we are apparently looking at an earth with a level ground surface.
1. Expanse = distance.
2. How much water covered the earth? 5.5 miles minimum because this was the amount of water that will be reintroduced back onto the earth in the flood.
3. How much water then was taken up into the troposphere? At least 4 miles.
4. How much water still covered the earth? Approx. 1.5 miles. Notice that even after the creation of the expanse, the earth is still covered with water.

Considered factors are the amount of water needed to cover Mt. Everest at 29,029 feet + 22 feet to satisfy the draft of the ark = 5.5 miles of standing water. This is not that inconceivable. Mariana's Trench at its deepest known point is 36,200 feet or 6.8 miles. The expanse of verse six is the formation of an atmosphere. The water simply returned to its respective places where it was held before the flood - the atmosphere and the underground aquifers This seems also to be aided in the enlarging of the ocean beds.

The Receding Waters, 8:1-14
God used wind to facilitate the evaporation process – God uses the natural process of time and the elements – wind and heat to facilitate the redistribution of the water. Much of the water would naturally have drained back into the subterranean chambers.

The time sequence
1. For five months – 150 days the waters continued to rise.
2. After God brings the wind, it takes two months for the water to subside enough for the ark to touch ground.
3. After another two months and thirteen days, the mountain tops become visible. This probably represents a minimum water loss of 22'. This is now a total of nine months and thirteen days.
4. After forty more days, Noah opens the window of the ark. Sends out both the raven and the dove. Only the dove returns. Why. The raven, being a carnivore and a scavenger, is able to find both land and food. There are about
thirty days of time here that are unaccounted for.
5. After seven more days he sends out the dove the second time and the dove returns.
6. After another seven days he sends the dove out for the third time and the dove does not return.
7. Noah remains in the ark for another ten days.
8. Total amount of time on the ark – twelve months, and ten days.
Noah leaves the ark, 15-25

The entire event lasted circa one year, according to scripture.

The water sources came from the earth and its immediate atmosphere, and then returned to it.

The only area that needed to be flooded was the local plain area where mankind existed. Remember, mankind was disobedient to God and did not populate the globe as commanded - the place-names in Genesis confirm this.

It was only AFTER the flood that we see places-names extending beyond one localized area...