The Red Sea Crossing

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nathan3

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oldhermit said:
What evidence are you suggestion?
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The evidence of the chariot wheels at the bottom of the gulf of Gulf of Aqaba.
Exodus 14:

24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,

25 And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the Lord fighteth for them against the Egyptians.

26 And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.


And you have chariot wheels at the bottom there. seems simple enough .

Numbers 20:


10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

Isaiah 48:21 "And they thirsted not when He led them through the deserts: He caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them: He clave the rock also, and the waters gushed out.' "










This is at the site there. There is water erosion in between this rock and at the base .. Thats some more evidence.
 
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What about the pillars King Solomon placed at the crossing site?

Either Solomon was right or Constantines mom was right.

I will believe Solomon.
 
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That crossing location is impossible. It is approx. 150 miles across the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt to that crossing point. Pharoah confronted the Israelites at the body of water they crossed the day after they left Egypt. It is impossible that they crossed that distance (through the desert, no less) in that short of time.
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Nothing is impossible with God. ( Luke 1:37-50 ). Your forgetting to mention, God protected them with a cloud over during the day, and a pillar of fire between them and the Pharaohs army at night . And they were guided God's light.
 
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Gordon Franz makes the following observation on this point.

"Bible geographers who deal with the Exodus take the three encampments from Rameses to the Red Sea, i.e. Succoth, Etham and Migdol, to refer to three days of travel. The Bible does not explicitly say this.

Joel McQuitty made an interesting suggestion back in 1986. He suggested that the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread commemorates the seven days it took to go from Rameses to the Red Sea (1986:103-105; Ex. 13:3,4; 12:33f.; Deut. 16:3; Lev. 23:42-43). Ironically, one of the proponents of Jebel al Lawz does as well. However, he goes one step further and says that the Israelites rested on the Sabbath (Letter from Durham, Sept. 7, 2001, p. 14). If McQuitty is correct, and I believe he is, then this would fit very nicely with a crossing at the
northern end of the Gulf of Suez. As K. A. Kitchen has pointed out, Rameses is located in the area of Khataana / Qantar (1998:77). Othersm place Rameses at Tell el-Dab'a, another site in the area (Shea 1990:98-111). Kitchen goes on to locate Succoth at Tell el-Maskhuta and Pithom at Tell er-Retaba (1998:78). From the Qantar area to Suez City is approximately 100 miles. If we take that number and divide it by seven days it comes out to about 15 miles per day. Considering the Israelites left Egypt in "haste" (Ex. 12:33; Deut. 16:3) and in "orderly ranks", a military term for battle array (Ex, 13:18), 15 miles a day would be very reasonable. Robinson observed that "the usual day's march of the best appointed armies, both in ancient and modern times, is not estimated higher than fourteen English, or twelve geographical miles, and it cannot be supposed that the Israelites with women and children and flocks, would be able to accomplish more" (1977:75).

A near contemporary event to the Exodus would be Thutmose III's first campaign against the land of Canaan. Aharoni describes the march by Thutmose III and his army to Megiddo this way: "From Sile, the chief frontier post on the Egyptian border, the army covered the 150 miles to Gaza in nine or ten days, a very rapid pace" (1979:153). In this march across the northern Sinai they encountered very sandy conditions, but they would have averaged 15 miles per day. Once they got to Canaan, they slowed down because of resistance along
the way by the Canaanites (Aharoni 1979:153)."
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The exodus correlates with the 3 festivals of passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits. They left, of course, on passover. Their journey of affliction corresponds with unleavened bread. Their arrival and celebration on the opposite shore of the 'whatever' sea corresponds with firstfruits (raised from death that is symbolized by their baptism in the sea).

So I may be incorrect in my previous post that Pharoah confronted them the night after they left; but IMO, it was no later than 3 days and 3 nights, which, of course, aligns with Christ's death burial, and resurrection on passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits, respectively.

Also, I find it inconceivable that a mass of a million plus slaves of all ages could travel at 15 miles per day across a desert, when disciplined Roman soldiers typically only traveled 14 miles per day.
 
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[video=youtube_share;UPj6yk2URuQ]http://youtu.be/UPj6yk2URuQ[/video]
 
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Nothing is impossible with God. ( Luke 1:37-50 ). Your forgetting to mention, God protected them with a cloud over during the day, and a pillar of fire between them and the Pharaohs army at night . And they were guided God's light.
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But what you are suggesting is just fantasy.
 
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The evidence of the chariot wheels at the bottom of the gulf of Gulf of Aqaba.
Exodus 14:

24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,

25 And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the Lord fighteth for them against the Egyptians.

26 And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen.


And you have chariot wheels at the bottom there. seems simple enough .

Numbers 20:


10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

Isaiah 48:21 "And they thirsted not when He led them through the deserts: He caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them: He clave the rock also, and the waters gushed out.' "










This is at the site there. There is water erosion in between this rock and at the base .. Thats some more evidence.
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Back in the 1980's after Ron Wyatt published his findings on these two locations, I too was very impressed with what seemed to be indisputable evidence. Yet, the more I examined the "evidence" and Ron's conclusions, little things began to nag at me that just did not seem to fit. Later, when I began creating a study outline for the book of Exodus for publication, I made the decision to take a more critical look at the proposed claims no matter where the evidence took me. At this point I still believed Ron was correct. I began to recreate the exodus route exclusively from the biblical account. When I completed this I began to see that the sites claimed by Ron could not possibly be correct based on the route given in the Bible. I them began a research into the "evidences" themselves. What I found was that Ron's supposed evidence did not support his claims. He has made a number of unwarranted assumptions based on insufficient evidence and his conclusions are founded on a maze of misrepresentations.
 
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Back in the 1980's after Ron Wyatt published his findings on these two locations, I too was very impressed with what seemed to be indisputable evidence. Yet, the more I examined the "evidence" and Ron's conclusions, little things began to nag at me that just did not seem to fit. Later, when I began creating a study outline for the book of Exodus for publication, I made the decision to take a more critical look at the proposed claims no matter where the evidence took me. At this point I still believed Ron was correct. I began to recreate the exodus route exclusively from the biblical account. When I completed this I began to see that the sites claimed by Ron could not possibly be correct based on the route given in the Bible. I them began a research into the "evidences" themselves. What I found was that Ron's supposed evidence did not support his claims. He has made a number of unwarranted assumptions based on insufficient evidence and his conclusions are founded on a maze of misrepresentations.
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Ron W. has passed on. But after I have looked at the evidence, I am convinced beyond a shadow of doubt, that this is the location God gave Moses the ten commandments. There is more evidence and photos i did not post, like the carvings of pictures into the rock, the alter of the golden calf and other things .

This is way too much evidence there to doubt at this point for me, away. The more evidence i see from other people who have visited the site just convinces me farther... As I learn the scriptures more im even father convinced . Im still in the process of learning the related scriptures and the history of the layout of the land and their Exodus.. Its really amazing. Maybe people are are skeptical but I'm just Not one of them.
 
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Ron W. has passed on. But after I have looked at the evidence, I am convinced beyond a shadow of doubt, that this is the location God gave Moses the ten commandments. There is more evidence and photos i did not post, like the carvings of pictures into the rock, the alter of the golden calf and other things .

This is way too much evidence there to doubt at this point for me, away. The more evidence i see from other people who have visited the site just convinces me farther... As I learn the scriptures more im even father convinced . Im still in the process of learning the related scriptures and the history of the layout of the land and their Exodus.. Its really amazing. Maybe people are are skeptical but I'm just not one of them.
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Which would be more convincing to you, the archaeological findings, or the biblical record. Since they do not agree, this means that one of them is wrong. Which one is correct? Which one is the inspired record?
 
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Which would be more convincing to you, the archaeological findings, or the biblical record. Since they do not agree, this means that one of them is wrong. Which one is correct? Which one is the inspired record?
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They Both agree to me. That's all i can say at this point. It's late.
 
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This is at the site there. There is water erosion in between this rock and at the base .. Thats some more evidence.
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Do you know the name of that rock so that I can do a search? That doesn't look like water erosion.
 
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They Both agree to me.
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Show me how they agree. Take just your Bible and map out the route described in Exodus and Numbers 33 then recreate the time line as it appears in the biblical record and you will see that the route suggested by Ron not only contradicts that of scripture, it is physically impossible.
 
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Do you know the name of that rock so that I can do a search? That doesn't look like water erosion.
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This image is closer, but its not the closest i have seen.

I'm not expert but i even can see the erosion there and its shape.

 
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Looks like everyone is examining everything but the scriptures.
 
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http://splitrockresearch.org/content/100/Field_Reports/The_Split_Rock
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The thing is, no water erosion is going to take place on granite in that short of a period of time. Water erosion on granite takes thousands upon thousand of years. Water itself does not erode rock; it is the rock particles carried in water that erode. If this was drinking water coming out of the ground, it should have been fairly pure. Even if it wasn't, no erosion would have occurred in just a few days time.
 
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