EVOLUTION: a-sexual to sexual transition
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Right, which is why they're not consistent. The Bible is clear that God created the heavens and the earth and life. That message isn't just in Genesis, it repeats thoughout the Bible. If someone claims to be Christian but doesn't believe God is the creator, then quite simply that "Christian" doesn't believe in the same God as the Christians.
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Well, it was about 7 pages worth in the atheist topic. In short, I've been asking for scientific evidence, an experiment that demonstrates the hypothesis that a purely asexual organism can evolve or transition into a purely sexual reproducing organism. And so far, there hasn't been any, so there's no reason for me to conclude that such a transition is even possible.
there is an evidence we that believe all have seen, experienced, and tabulated, the working of the Holy Spirit.
there is a paradox at work here, not unlike Heisenberg's - to measure it, you must first be moved, and to be moved by it you must believe it can be measured.
you're never going to accept that God is "measurable" until you have a little h-nu of faith to reflect off of Him. You're never going to detect that h-nu he emits until you believe and point your photon detector at Him.
this is why Christ said we had to "become as little children" before we can enter the kingdom, and demonstrated by his teaching in parables - as he told the disciples, in this method because the ones with understanding would understand, and the ears of those that would not hear, could not hear.
This same argument, "just because we don't understand how A could have evolved to B doesn't mean they didn't" -- don't you agree, "just because we don't have undeniable proof that Christ is who he says he is, doesn't mean he isn't" ?
we can't see the distant stars until we build a bigger telescope, and then we see that we need an even bigger telescope to understand what we saw with the first one. i'd like to suggest to you, that you "build a better telescope" to look at Christ, and when you don't understand all that you see at this resolution, build a bigger one yet, and search Him out even closer.
if there is any non-zero probability that He is who He said He is, nothing could be worthy of greater energy spent to study; nothing could be a more wonderful mystery to strain our comprehension at.
there is a paradox at work here, not unlike Heisenberg's - to measure it, you must first be moved, and to be moved by it you must believe it can be measured.
you're never going to accept that God is "measurable" until you have a little h-nu of faith to reflect off of Him. You're never going to detect that h-nu he emits until you believe and point your photon detector at Him.
this is why Christ said we had to "become as little children" before we can enter the kingdom, and demonstrated by his teaching in parables - as he told the disciples, in this method because the ones with understanding would understand, and the ears of those that would not hear, could not hear.
This same argument, "just because we don't understand how A could have evolved to B doesn't mean they didn't" -- don't you agree, "just because we don't have undeniable proof that Christ is who he says he is, doesn't mean he isn't" ?
we can't see the distant stars until we build a bigger telescope, and then we see that we need an even bigger telescope to understand what we saw with the first one. i'd like to suggest to you, that you "build a better telescope" to look at Christ, and when you don't understand all that you see at this resolution, build a bigger one yet, and search Him out even closer.
if there is any non-zero probability that He is who He said He is, nothing could be worthy of greater energy spent to study; nothing could be a more wonderful mystery to strain our comprehension at.
Can't do that 'cause atheists' lives are no more meaningless than your own. You only think they are. 
When I was in grade eight a friend of mine got into a discussion on religion with our teacher. It was the end of the day following class and the minister who gave us our weekly religious instruction had just left. Something had been said, I think, about the importance of belief in our lives, prompting my friend to discount the idea to the teacher. Without hesitation he explained that he was an atheist. I don't recall what else he said, but it prompted the teacher to respond, that if she didn't have God in her life she would feel her life had lost all meaning. Then she added that perhaps not having known God my friend could never miss God.
Atheists, for the most part can't understand why Christians think their own lives would be meaningless if they didn't have God. I suspect it comes down to the amount of yourselves that you invest in faith. For many it is a huge part of your lives and should you ever come to the realization it was all for nothing that you believed you might, for a time, feel cast adrift and without purpose. At least that is the fear. In reality something much different typically happens. I could refer you to books by Dan Barker, a former evangelical preacher turned atheist explains why this assumption is false. I have read a number of books by former Christians and they all hear the same story from their Christian family and friends about life being meaningless without God. The truth is atheists just don't feel that way; and it is how we actually feel that counts, not how you imagine we should feel.
I've got my fingers crossed, but I'll bet you're not understanding. What say you?
When I was in grade eight a friend of mine got into a discussion on religion with our teacher. It was the end of the day following class and the minister who gave us our weekly religious instruction had just left. Something had been said, I think, about the importance of belief in our lives, prompting my friend to discount the idea to the teacher. Without hesitation he explained that he was an atheist. I don't recall what else he said, but it prompted the teacher to respond, that if she didn't have God in her life she would feel her life had lost all meaning. Then she added that perhaps not having known God my friend could never miss God.
Atheists, for the most part can't understand why Christians think their own lives would be meaningless if they didn't have God. I suspect it comes down to the amount of yourselves that you invest in faith. For many it is a huge part of your lives and should you ever come to the realization it was all for nothing that you believed you might, for a time, feel cast adrift and without purpose. At least that is the fear. In reality something much different typically happens. I could refer you to books by Dan Barker, a former evangelical preacher turned atheist explains why this assumption is false. I have read a number of books by former Christians and they all hear the same story from their Christian family and friends about life being meaningless without God. The truth is atheists just don't feel that way; and it is how we actually feel that counts, not how you imagine we should feel.
I've got my fingers crossed, but I'll bet you're not understanding. What say you?
M
Well, as an ex-atheist turned Christian, I can say that I can no longer imagine living my life without God, so I'll join that boat of Christians. However, as an ex-atheist, I can also understand atheists searching and making their own purposes in life, whatever they want to pursue. We Christians just choose to pursue God. Well, since you know my testimony, I'm going to reference it. I only thought my life was meaningless for the short time I was suicidal. After that, I greatly valued myself, but I still welcomed the thought of death and leaving this world. I wouldn't say I had a purpose outside of something very self-centered, I just took things one day or week at a time.
But now as a Christian, I don't only value my life, but others as well, and I want to make a meaningful impact in the lives of others, particularly in the kids and youth ministry.
But now as a Christian, I don't only value my life, but others as well, and I want to make a meaningful impact in the lives of others, particularly in the kids and youth ministry.
I think the main point here is that there just is not enough knowledge to even attempt an explanation. The first step is figuring out how the first self-replicating organisms arose (even if you think that never happened). For the biologists, until they are convinced they have a good handle on the first part of the problem, I don't think they are likely to spend much effort conjecturing on the second part. Before anyone can pose an hypothesis on how an asexual organism evolved into a sexually reproducing creature one first has to understand what those first creatures were. They may not be like the asexual life forms that exist today.
I do think genetics may be the key to providing a working solution, for according to the theory of evolution the genes of all our ancestors are still contained within us. Geneticists, in Japan I think it is, are attempting to reverse engineer the chicken genome to recreate the animal the chicken evolved from. They have managed to turn off the gene that shuts down tooth formation and are producing chicks with teeth (though I don’t know how long they live). So, if our genes do contain a genetic record back to the beginning of life then that may be where the answer will be found.
I do think genetics may be the key to providing a working solution, for according to the theory of evolution the genes of all our ancestors are still contained within us. Geneticists, in Japan I think it is, are attempting to reverse engineer the chicken genome to recreate the animal the chicken evolved from. They have managed to turn off the gene that shuts down tooth formation and are producing chicks with teeth (though I don’t know how long they live). So, if our genes do contain a genetic record back to the beginning of life then that may be where the answer will be found.
M
Ah yes, I've heard of that. As I recall, they're trying to go from chicken back to dinosaur. Now if they're successful in that, that wouldn't convince me of evolution. Too much tinkering with human hands involved. But say they do get to a dinosaur, then if they leave their hands out of it and it evolve back into a chicken, now that would certainly be something convincing. But just for the record, my opinion is the whole dinosaurs evolved into chickens is preposterous.
Maybe you should read about mitosis.
Mitosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the evolution of sexual reproduction.
Evolution of sexual reproduction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Illustrated video:
[video=youtube;1w0FiwfyUMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0FiwfyUMM[/video]
You might find a better answer to your question on a biology forum.
Mitosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the evolution of sexual reproduction.
Evolution of sexual reproduction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Illustrated video:
[video=youtube;1w0FiwfyUMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0FiwfyUMM[/video]
You might find a better answer to your question on a biology forum.