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KJV15John11

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I don't mean to exclude everyone else, but this thread requires a unique perspective. I may also be playing on human nature that by being exclusive, everyone else will want it more. It works for CostCo and Sam's Club. :)

This thread has to do with preferences. Before any of us got married for the first time, we really didn't know what to expect. We had our ideas, and for those of us romantics, certain ideals. For the most part, it was all exciting and new. In the beginning, for the most part, we loved everything about the other person, even their idiosyncrasies. Once the "honeymoon stage" was gone, things started changing. We started forming preferences.

It was inevitable. We hadn't shared with another person like this before, all aspects of our lives. Now that we were in the middle of it, we couldn't help but form a mental list of things we liked about our marriage, and things we didn't. Since we were married, we would find ways to make it work. First we would look for compromises. The reality was, usually, it meant someone did without. We would go to marriage enrichment seminars. The problem with that is they only work if the other person has the desire or tools to make the desired adjustments. Too often, one partner just isn't able to do so. It is like asking a right-handed person to do everything left-handed. Not much is achieved and they just get frustrated.

So here we are, considering making that commitment again. Now that we have formed certain preferences within the bonds of marriage, how do we look for those in a future mate? Or do we?

The problem is that many of those preferences, can only be determined within marriage. There isn't a try it before you buy it program. One suggestion is to talk about it. Before getting married, my ex and I talked about everything. We made plans, made sure we were in sync in all relationship matters, even matters of how we would serve God together. The reality is that all of those plans were based on what we knew at that moment. We couldn't foresee the future, and whether or not she was being genuine in her desires, once the moments actually presented themselves, she made other choices.

So what's the plan fellow divorcies? Do we enter another marriage just hoping for the best again? I don't know about you but I didn't want to go through the first divorce, don't really want another one. The reality is, how well can you really know another person until you combine your life with theirs? How can you be sure that you enter a relationship where your needs are getting met, or do you just accept that it may mean doing without?
 

CatHerder

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Go slow in the relationship.

See how she responds when things don't go her way - by that, I don't mean "test her" - that is game playing. But when she doesn't get that promotion, or has a surprise mechanical fee or her pipes burst, or has a medical scare, how does she react? How does she handle that annoying gossipy person at the office? Is she, herself, the annoying gossipy person in the office?

Go slow, observe the red flags, don't ignore baggage (yours or hers). Have fun. :)
 
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I believe it's more to do with the times we live in. If one, or the other married couple want out; if warranted or not, It's over! Then, a thousand people it seems are there to help them do it. This, has just not been the case in most places throughout history. Even if marriages were considered bad, most of the families would try to force them to stay together for the good of the community, or try to help them work it out. This makes things terrible difficult once you have gone through this, because I don't want to get into something worse than what I just got out of! The penalties and the costs were devastating. I believe there is someone out there, but I must trust the Lord on this one and be about the business of life the best I can.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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The fact is no matter how much you ''watch the red flags'' People change over time. Some change for the better some for the worse.

The only person you can control is you, so i think going into it a second time you need to wake up to the fact anything can happen.
 
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KJV15John11

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Okay, thank you so far, but I must not have explained it well. What you have addressed so far are traits that we can examine of anyone at anytime. What I am bringing up is those preferences that exist ONLY in marriage. Yes, I am talking about physical actions of affection. Now that I have been married, I have preferences, everything from public displays of affection to those reserved for the marital bed.

My question is, do I enter into another marriage just hoping we sync up in that way, or can such things be openly and honestly discussed in a God-centered relationship? I'm sorry but when our marriage was good, the intimacy was relaxing, energizing, and brought us closer together. It was GREAT! I'm sure if you would ask most Christian married couples, making love or coitus (thank you Sheldon Cooper) is an important part of an healthy marriage.

Now that I have experienced it and know what it brings to an healthy marriage, how can I not want it in a future marriage too? How can I assure that and still abide by God's laws?
 
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Once a couple (Dating) is proceeding towards marriage - There has to be open and honest communication about sexual preferences in a Godly open way. As you have referred to you have been there done that and yes - God created sexual intimacy to be a health part of marriage.

However - if the relationship is not headed towards that ends - I would not enter into that conversation. The key is that both people have to be honest, open, and what I would say transparent. People can change and preferences can be modified.

If I were headed towards marriage again I might seek the help of a counsellor to guide us in this conversation, I would be very strategic in setting up boundaries and then keeping each other accountable for those boundaries. When one is weak the other can be strong.

If you are both heading into the relationship with a heart that is seeking God first and putting the other person's needs ahead of your own, and if it stays that way, then you should be good. Unfortunately there are no guarantee's that is will be perfect nor will it be like the past. It will be different and you both have to be accepting of each other preferences aside.

Hope that helps.
 
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Sheena

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I would agree with Sparkle though I tend to feel that if its your soul mate, approved of God, then the chemistry would be off the charts. If the heart, mind etc are all in sync then the discussion would not be hard? Gotta say its hard though. Being true to our christian values and knowing we can't "test drive." Lol. All I can say is that "test driving" can be decieving. Thought God had sent me my soul mate. Sadly, was not the case. So, rededicated my life and having faith in God that he knows the "one" for me--/no "test driving" required! Lol. Hope this helps. Peace and God Bless
 

SparkleEyes

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I don't know if I have the answer KJV15John11 , I just know that as one who is divorced, I have a plan (as much as we mortals can plan) and the knowledge that I HAVE to trust in God for direction as to who to marry or even IF to marry again. I do know that once you have done the most through job you can in finding who you think is the right person and ferriting out if he/she is indeed the right person and being in contact with God about the decision, I think it all boils down to how badly the other person wants to work at making the marriage work. Marriage is hard work. Dating and being engaged is easy compared to being married. If you aren't willing to do the hard work, you may not stay married. I don't care how "right with God" each of you think you are, if you aren't willing to work at being the best spouse you can, it won't work.

Keep pondering on the hard and important questions,KJV15John11 :cool:
 
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KJV15John11

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Once a couple (Dating) is proceeding towards marriage - There has to be open and honest communication about sexual preferences in a Godly open way. As you have referred to you have been there done that and yes - God created sexual intimacy to be a health part of marriage.

However - if the relationship is not headed towards that ends - I would not enter into that conversation. The key is that both people have to be honest, open, and what I would say transparent. People can change and preferences can be modified.

If I were headed towards marriage again I might seek the help of a counsellor to guide us in this conversation, I would be very strategic in setting up boundaries and then keeping each other accountable for those boundaries. When one is weak the other can be strong.

If you are both heading into the relationship with a heart that is seeking God first and putting the other person's needs ahead of your own, and if it stays that way, then you should be good. Unfortunately there are no guarantee's that is will be perfect nor will it be like the past. It will be different and you both have to be accepting of each other preferences aside.

Hope that helps.
I would agree with Sparkle though I tend to feel that if its your soul mate, approved of God, then the chemistry would be off the charts. If the heart, mind etc are all in sync then the discussion would not be hard? Gotta say its hard though. Being true to our christian values and knowing we can't "test drive." Lol. All I can say is that "test driving" can be decieving. Thought God had sent me my soul mate. Sadly, was not the case. So, rededicated my life and having faith in God that he knows the "one" for me--/no "test driving" required! Lol. Hope this helps. Peace and God Bless
Yes Sheena, thank you. You and Sparkie understood what I was asking. More than anything, it is good to know that I'm not alone in trying to figure these things out. Divorce comes with such a stigma of failure that it is easy to make yourself crazy trying to avoid a repeat performance.

Sometimes it is hard to determine if the marriage failed because of my actions, or because I was meant to go through it to help me grow closer to God and be where He needs me to be. Regardless, there is always something to be learned, from our own lives and others. My dad always told me, "Life is too short to learn from the nots on your own head."
 
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KJV15John11

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I don't know if I have the answer KJV15John11 , I just know that as one who is divorced, I have a plan (as much as we mortals can plan) and the knowledge that I HAVE to trust in God for direction as to who to marry or even IF to marry again. I do know that once you have done the most through job you can in finding who you think is the right person and ferriting out if he/she is indeed the right person and being in contact with God about the decision, I think it all boils down to how badly the other person wants to work at making the marriage work. Marriage is hard work. Dating and being engaged is easy compared to being married. If you aren't willing to do the hard work, you may not stay married. I don't care how "right with God" each of you think you are, if you aren't willing to work at being the best spouse you can, it won't work.

Keep pondering on the hard and important questions,KJV15John11 :cool:
Another GREAT point! Thank you.
 
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I would definitely want to talk to them about preferences when the relationship gets serious enough to decide whether or not to join lives together. Not necessarily specifics, but I'd need to know that we were compatible in that aspect. It IS an important part of a marriage, so it should be addressed IMHO, however carefully. If one has a very high demand and one has a very low demand for instance, there will probably be issues. Stuff like that.
 
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KJV15John11

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I would definitely want to talk to them about preferences when the relationship gets serious enough to decide whether or not to join lives together. Not necessarily specifics, but I'd need to know that we were compatible in that aspect. It IS an important part of a marriage, so it should be addressed IMHO, however carefully. If one has a very high demand and one has a very low demand for instance, there will probably be issues. Stuff like that.
Thank you Grace, I knew I could count on you to hit it out of the park! Now everybody, let's do the wave!
 
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Sheena

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Your Dad was or is a smart man. It truly does help to know there are others ״out there" that face our same struggles. ;)
 
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MidniteWelder

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I would definitely want to talk to them about preferences when the relationship gets serious enough to decide whether or not to join lives together. Not necessarily specifics, but I'd need to know that we were compatible in that aspect. It IS an important part of a marriage, so it should be addressed IMHO, however carefully. If one has a very high demand and one has a very low demand for instance, there will probably be issues. Stuff like that.
I can just envision such a conversation ...

---Hey honey can we talk about something
Sure
---Well, within the lines of further discovering our compatibility and establishing what boundaries there may be...
Im not going white water rafting in that darn blow up kayak you bought at the garage sale again
--- No, no thats not what I mean
What are you getting at then?
---Well, ya see I have this checklist I wanted to run it by you to see what sort of things would be acceptable intimately
Checklist? You made a checklist?
---well yeah so I wouldn't leave anything out or not talked about between us
Why dont you go ahead and run that checklist by me
---Ok well, do you like xyz
No I dont, dont even bring that up again
---Ok how do you feel about abc
I guess it would be alright but mostly for you
---Hmmm Ok and how about PDQ
How many things are on this list? I mean seriously cant anything just be spontaneous and left to be discovered in the heat of the moment. I wont know how I feel about half those things until we're at that point, must you plan everything including our wedding night?

---Uh, never mind
No not never mind, how many other things have been running through your mind you wanna try out on me.
---NONE...none other things!!! Thats why I made a list so we both know the boundaries
How bout when you reach one of them boundaries you will find out PDQ, hows that.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Got you to admit you had a checklist

ooops :p
 
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Hey I have checklists for my checklists. You already established that I'm on the OCD side. ;)
 
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KJV15John11

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I can just envision such a conversation ...

---Hey honey can we talk about something
Sure
---Well, within the lines of further discovering our compatibility and establishing what boundaries there may be...
Im not going white water rafting in that darn blow up kayak you bought at the garage sale again
--- No, no thats not what I mean
What are you getting at then?
---Well, ya see I have this checklist I wanted to run it by you to see what sort of things would be acceptable intimately
Checklist? You made a checklist?
---well yeah so I wouldn't leave anything out or not talked about between us
Why dont you go ahead and run that checklist by me
---Ok well, do you like xyz
No I dont, dont even bring that up again
---Ok how do you feel about abc
I guess it would be alright but mostly for you
---Hmmm Ok and how about PDQ
How many things are on this list? I mean seriously cant anything just be spontaneous and left to be discovered in the heat of the moment. I wont know how I feel about half those things until we're at that point, must you plan everything including our wedding night?

---Uh, never mind
No not never mind, how many other things have been running through your mind you wanna try out on me.
---NONE...none other things!!! Thats why I made a list so we both know the boundaries
How bout when you reach one of them boundaries you will find out PDQ, hows that.
EVEN I have a problem with XYZ! That area was not designed for THAT! ABC may be fine on a RARE occasion, UNLESS it also involves DEF. Now, if you want spontaneity, we could always spin the Speak-n-Spell and see what pops up! Animal noises are optional, "the lamb goes bahhhhh" . . . E I E I Oooooooooo
 
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MidniteWelder

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Hey I have checklists for my checklists. You already established that I'm on the OCD side. ;)
makin your list and checkin it twice huh? :cool:

Naw, I think its cute. If you have OCD it's in a good way. I feel precise would be a better description.
I was razzin ya, I agree that everyone has their own criteria to be met withing being compatible with someone
-mentally
-spiritually
-as well as physically and discussing those things at some point is part of getting to know one another's character as well as their personality. What they're like on the inside when alone as well as on the outside when around other people.
Some may label things such as having a certain level of criteria as having high standards.
Although even as a Christian we're still individual in our preferences and if said criteria or 'checklists' aren't met, at least at some degree then the reasons for even being with someone as a partner have been compromised.
If too many pieces of the complete pie chart (you like checklists, I like pie charts, they're colorful and plus it just reminds ya of dessert) have been compromised to the point that down the road it starts to become realized... the reasons for being together didn't exist in their entirety to begin with (IE;they settled or wonder why they're even together and now feel trapped)...All things which lead to bad experiences when they knew they didn't want to compromise in the first place.
Usually the ones labeling are those getting pushed to the wayside, not that they're inferior, just that some squirrels prefer certain types of nuts.