What Laws are still valid to christians

[4enlightment]

The laws were made to show how a soul should behave in a manner that pleases God; but you can't make a soul to be righteous, because righteousness must come from within the soul. But if a soul is made to be righteous, then the soul isn't righteous and never will be because it's just following orders like a slave. But if the soul goes through tribulations for a while, that soul will mature because it will not treat others unlawfully because it will know how it will feel to be treated unlawfully and will treat others with respect and will be able to understand the pains and sufferings of others. So when a soul goes through tribulations, they are being Baptize. And once they come out from it, they are resurrected from their old self into their new self. Everyone must go through the fire to be purify.

 

[Elin]

Jesus is greatest alright but where does the Bible say Paul is greater than Abraham? If the Bible doesn't explicitly say Paul is greater than Abraham why does one promote this idea?

Perhaps you should ask someone who promotes the idea.

 

[Elin]

You didn't apologize to me for saying boot stapping. whaaaaa!! Just kidding. LOL

Are you pickin' on me, Bubba?

 

[just-me]

Are you pickin' on me, Bubba?

You becha! Had to. it's that sinful nature of mine.

 

[TheAristocat]

1Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now. 6When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.Hebrews 9

8The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functionin

24For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.

there seems to be a temple in heaven.

Not just a temple.

Revelation 11:19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

 

[TheAristocat]

Sorry about all the boxes, but that's the only way to give the context.

You asked a question in the context of the Gentile Cornelius' action, and it was answered
in the context of the Gentile Cornelius' action.

Well, the end result of it is that Cornelius, being neither a Jew nor a Christian and an unbeliever, was able to please God - whether that be in his actions, his intentions or his faith. It doesn't matter to me. But that he is able to please God without being a child of God is very interesting to me. That was my whole point. And it was a side note, indicating that the law had been somewhat enlightening on this point. If I had not read the law or thought about it, then I would never have figured it out. One of the many benefits to meditating on it I suppose.

But now that the Christ has come, there is something further that Cornelius must do, he must believe
in Christ Jesus to remain acceptable to God, just as the Jews must do.
So God sends not an angel, but a man to give him the gospel of Christ Jesus.

Eh. I really don't know if Cornelius was acceptable when he was able to please God. Acceptable in what way? All I know is that he was able to please God. That was my only point. In order to be accepted as a child of God one must certainly accept Jesus. I fully agree on that point.

So, are the laws requiring animal sacrifices still in force for Christians, or have they
been set aside (Heb 7:18-19)?

I don't know that they ever applied to Gentile Christians except perhaps in the case of foreigners living in Israel. One thing you have to remember is that the law deals with typology. Jesus has always been our mediator, from the time that human high priests were first supposed to intercede on our behalf until now. So in that respect Jesus has always been our high priest - even when there was a typological human high priest. I'm not savvy as to what ceremonies - if any - took place in heaven that suddenly made Jesus' role different. But the evidence is there in the Old Testament. A human high priest had to offer a sacrifice for his own sins and then for the people. If he had to offer a sacrifice for his own sins, though, how on earth was he supposed to intercede and offer a sacrifice for us? He wasn't. His role was typological. I believe even then that the human high priest needed the intercession of someone greater. But my point is that even though this was the case the law was still supposed to be obeyed. Israel was supposed to meditate on and observe it - even if it were incomplete or imperfected as Hebrews says.

If you look at Hebrews 7:12 you'll see the word changed is the same word used to indicate a change in Enoch in Hebrews 11:5. What was changed about the priesthood in Hebrews 7:12 - in my opinion - was this concept of being translated or transposed. In other words, there is a less profitable, typological system on Earth that has its translated form in Heaven. So what was set aside in Hebrews 7:18-19 and why? The regulation regarding the high priests was set aside in Jesus' situation, because Jesus dealt with not the Earthly system but with the translated system that is in Heaven. He is greater than the typological framework that we, as human beings, are subject to.

In my opinion, nothing has changed. But I think that Paul is speaking here to Jews who did not want to accept Jesus as their high priest because of his lack of levitical descent. Paul is only saying that Jesus belongs to a greater system - a more complete system. And he is our true mediator and therefore our true high priest. As for the earthly high priests... In my opinion they should still exist not only because of Jesus' words in Matthew 5:18 but also because we can see the earthly laws in force in the end times.

 

[michaelwriting]

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death.

The question is whether we are in Christ or not. In our own power and our own righteousness (including our own 'Christian' righteousness), it seems that we have nothing to offer God. It is strictly by grace, through a surrendered will. Surrendering and allowing our 'flesh' to be crucified seems way more difficult to do than most of our typical religious activities. It is a death to ourselves, where we put the Isaac of our lives up on the altar. I have to give it all to him. It isn't about me trying harder or doing more. It is about me giving it all, and letting God have it all. But my struggle is to not give it all. I want to keep my life. I don't want to have to go to the cross daily. I don't want to surrender my life every single day. It is a struggle.

 

[Drett]

Food does not justify anyone. Yeshua teaches nothing by entering the body pollutes the body, it is what proceeds from the heart.

If Jesus taught nothing that enters the body pollutes the message did not make it to his rock of the church Peter who was still referring to unclean meat long time after Jesus ascended.

But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean."
Act 10:14

Remember the bible only had snippets of the teachings of Jesus. I would have thought Jesus would have repeated the same message to his apostles many times over the three years they were together. Peter would have a better understanding of the teachings of Jesus than any other human on Earth at that time.

 

[Elin]

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Well, the end result of it is that Cornelius, being neither a Jew nor a Christian and an unbeliever, was able to please God - whether that be in his actions, his intentions or his faith. It doesn't matter to me. But
that he is able to please God without being a child of God is very interesting to me. That was my whole point.

I guess it would be interesting if it were true.
But you are not understanding the Scriptures in the light of the NT.
Only God's children are accepted of God.

In the OT, it was only those who believed in the Promise, the coming Messiah.
In the NT, it is only those who believe in the Promise, the Christ.

Cornelius would not have been accepted of God if he were not a child of God.
His faith, unlike other Gentiles, in the Promise of the coming Messiah, made him a child of God.

But when Messiah was no longer "the coming Messiah," but Jesus of Nazareth,
then in order to remain accepted and not become as the Christ-rejecting Jews,
Cornelius had to place his faith in Jesus of Nazareth.

Cornelius was accepted of God because, unlike the other Gentiles, he believed in the coming of a Messiah, and unlike the Christ-rejecting Jews he believed in Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ.

And it was a side note, indicating that the law had been somewhat enlightening on this point. If I had not read the law or thought about it, then I would never have figured it out. One of the many benefits to meditating on it I suppose.

But you didn't figure it out according to the light of what was spoken by the Son (Heb 1:1-2), through
the writers of the NT, and you have figured it out contrary to the NT revelation of the Son.

Eh. I really don't know if Cornelius was acceptable when he was able to please God.
Acceptable in what way?

Acceptable as being reconciled to God, and not his enemy (Ro 5:10), as are all those who did not believe
in the Promise of a Messiah, and as are all those now who do not believe in his Son.

All I know is that he was able to please God. That was my only point. In order to be accepted as a child of God one must certainly accept Jesus. I fully agree on that point.

Well, there is much more to be known from the NT, where it is clear that God expressed his acceptance
of Cornelius when he regarded his prayers and gifts to the poor as the pleasing aroma of the memorial
sacrifices (Ac 10:4).

So, are the laws requiring animal sacrifices still in force for Christians

I don't know that they ever applied to Gentile Christians except perhaps in the case of foreigners living in Israel. One thing you have to remember is that the law deals with typology.

So the Mosaic law has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19) in the NT.

As for the earthly high priests... In my opinion they should still exist not only because of Jesus' words in Matthew 5:18 but also because we can see the earthly laws in force in the end times.

You have let your interpretation of prophetic riddles overrun NT teaching.

 

[Elin]

If Jesus taught nothing that enters the body pollutes the message did not make it to his rock of the church Peter who was still referring to unclean meat long time after Jesus ascended.

Are you saying that the NT does not report Jesus as teaching that all food is clean?

" 'Are you so dull? . .Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean.' (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")" -- Mk 7:18-19

 

[Yury]

This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

I think that the Law still useful for at least one very important reason. As Apostle Paul said:

Therefor no one will be declared righteous in his sight by obsering the law; rather, though the law we become consciousof sin(Romans 3:20 NIV)
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the lawis the knowledge of sin.
(Romans 3:20 KJV)

And by the way he pointed out how it works in his own experience:

What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really wasif the law had not said, "Do not covet." (Romans 7:7)

 

[homwardbound]

If brought up under Law it is not easy to see the fulfillment of the Law being done in Christ the only one that could ever do it, and thus see by belief in the finished work of Christ at the cross for all human kind, if one will believe it is all God and none of themselves ever, will see new life in trusting the Living God, by the resurrected Christ
Philippians 3:

3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [SUP]3[/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

i seem to be missing, your points, homwardbound on both , your quotes, on both, of my quotes to the topic of this forum.
can you tell me what you are saying to me. or to the topic.

I am not saying really anything to anyone in particular. God is and does through scripture that God discerns to each of us Spiritually. We all are growing or have grown up into the maturity of this amazing salvation provided for us, that believe or come to believe.
Kind of like when an apple is first born, hanging from the branch of the tree. When it is first born it is perfect. The problem is it is not yet mature. So from God's viewpoint through Son God through one that believes, has caused one to be born again, not of flesh, rather of God's Spirit, and that one is sealed with this from God and by God through the finished work of Son at the cross . Then if one sets out to see the whole truth God does the teaching and we grow up into maturity, hidden with the savior safe and secure from the enemy, and no longer heed to those thoughts of the flesh that beset us.
Does this help?
Doubt as to believe God is what started the entire mess in knowing good and evil. choosing evil over God by flesh dead Spirit. So Christ came to give us new life in the Spirit, and accomplished through the cross, by the resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit, that became to be at the day of Pentecost, and has been past down to all that believe God.

 

[homwardbound]

Circumcision was a must in the Old. Are you saying baptism is a must in the New?

baptism of God in the Holy Spirit is what is what is now, today, being born again in the Spirit of God and we reckon self dead to flesh daily.
[h=3]John 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

[homwardbound]

Who distorted Paul's letters to their own destruction, as they all do to the rest of the scripture? Isn't those who twisted Paul's words to say the law is no more?
Priesthood changed - perhaps one has to define what law we are talking about here - Ceremonial or moral.

The law of God, only known and received in God's Spirit, read 1Cor.13:4-13 and tell me if you pass or not, being in the flesh?
Then in God's Spirit of lover that God gives the born again one passes this same test that one failed in the flesh.
Praying for your Spiritual eyes and ears to open, by God and from God to you.
Love

 

[homwardbound]

Hmmm, only takes one verse to refute your opinion...


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

not my opinion:
Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

So is that enough scripture to show truth as in the fight of flesh and the Spirit of God? May be not so here is more.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

So how does one walk in the Spirit of God? By Faith in the finished work of Son, with no confidence in the flesh at all.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

There are many more scriptures pertaining to the truth about the constant war of flesh and the Spirit of God, and is why Paul says to consider ourselves dead to self flesh, ask God to co-crucify us to self daily with Christ so that we can walk in the light in the Spirit of God.
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

[royalscot]

I am not saying really anything to anyone in particular. God is and does through scripture that God discerns to each of us Spiritually. We all are growing or have grown up into the maturity of this amazing salvation provided for us, that believe or come to believe.
Kind of like when an apple is first born, hanging from the branch of the tree. When it is first born it is perfect. The problem is it is not yet mature. So from God's viewpoint through Son God through one that believes, has caused one to be born again, not of flesh, rather of God's Spirit, and that one is sealed with this from God and by God through the finished work of Son at the cross . Then if one sets out to see the whole truth God does the teaching and we grow up into maturity, hidden with the savior safe and secure from the enemy, and no longer heed to those thoughts of the flesh that beset us.
Does this help?
Doubt as to believe God is what started the entire mess in knowing good and evil. choosing evil over God by flesh dead Spirit. So Christ came to give us new life in the Spirit, and accomplished through the cross, by the resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit, that became to be at the day of Pentecost, and has been past down to all that believe God.

thanks for that homeward, just cant help thinking, did you read any other posts, i wrote on this topic.

 

[homwardbound]

Perhaps you missed Genesis 26:5 where it says "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws"?
What was Paul born again when he wrote Roman 7:14-23? Why did he use present tense?
Who, Christians, can say he/she has not sinned since born again?

Paul's purpose in Romans 7 starts out with the allegory of the woman's Husband if dead she is freed from the Law to try and be righteous, freed to marry another Husband, and that is Christ, to be righteous in Father through Christ's finished work that made the believer Holy in Father's sight, and Father creates anew as in born again by the life of Christ.
Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

[h=3]Romans 6:3-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life

[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And by all this from Paul we are to see the fight that is going on to this very day of flesh and the Spirit of God
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The Law as in it's commandments are to be dead to us, by the body and life resurrected life of Christ. Why?
Because flesh is weak and can't as we as is not perfect. The perfect Law from Moses proves this as truth. So what does one need?
Yes to be born again of the Spirit of God. And how is that done?
[h=3]Colossians 2:10-15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with what you said here but the renewing takes lots of courage to shed the old baggage.

Yes and one that believes in God seeks God to show them truth over error, God is our teacher through the Holy Ghost, that God sealed us those that believe God with
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

So let us learn to hear with those Spiritual ears God gave us and not:
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Let us trust God to teach us, as we listen and learn from each other, taking all we see and hear to that hidden new man of our new Heart to separate error from truth. Why?
Because it is the truth that sets us free, and error puts us in bondage. Now for me when I am in bondage, whenever that is. I know I have not received truth and am somehow walking in error. Now what I found that is what error is, it is the flesh and blood I was born with. And need to go to the throne of grace in confidence thanking God that I am past tense already forgiven by Son back at the cross, and Ask Father to teach me where and How I went astray back in the unredeemed flesh. And God does what?
[h=3]Hebrews 8:10-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Now I need to say this as well, when one is born again by God, God gives this born again person this free gift through the resurrected Christ, we Are Adopted into the first chosen as if we are the first chosen. So this scripture is to those who believe, God by God's free gift adopts us in.
So how are I, you and or anyone else going to respond to this?
Maybe as David, who saw afar off the day of Christ and said this:
Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Your choice, showing us the depth of God's love to us all.

 

[homwardbound]

that is the awsome thing about grace.

it does not take courage, it takes the power of God. We can't shed the old baggage apart from this.

It takes courage to stand in /faith (belief) in God's Son, And remain steadfast, and so here is the Gospel in a nutshell:

[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[chubbena]

I apologize for my unkind way of pointing out your boot-strapping of Isa 8:20.

But please don't do that anymore, okay?

So how are the laws for animal sacrifice still in force after the death of Christ?

Very rare does one get an apology in forums. I like that!
Back to the conversation:
Revelation in NT - The law is much clearer. The standard is much higher but then it's much easier. But did the NT complete the revelation (I'm well aware of the last few verses of the book Revelation)? Or does the Holy Spirit continues to reveal?
What I said I don't understand why Paul's letters are hard to understand, I meant why he had to make them so hard to understand by law breakers. God's wisdom? I guess same as Jesus' parables - one has to keep knocking at the door.

No animal sacrifice - I thought I've made in very clear "Sacrifice for sin is always in force - animal sacrifice is not allowed because the temple is no more and will not be." Where else can a sinner turn?

Now to the best part of my boot strapping:
Heb 2:1-2 did the writer say what said through angels (messengers) were binding and we must pay full attention?
Did the writer begin to quote from OT from 2:6 and on?
And in 2:12 the writer said "he says" and went on to quote from OT continually?
2:13 - was the writer not quoting Isaiah 8:17-18? If he was, why?