U.S. Government "Shutdown"?

[jimmydiggs]

well, how about all that foreign aid (read: funding terrorism)?

It shouldn't go to countries that are persecuting Christians. Foreign aid is best distributed by ministries, and it is most glorifying.

just cork that and presto! everybody gets a checkup and a trip to the dentist.

No, we have a systemic failure in the US, and it's no coincidence that Europe is going broke because of their welfare statism.

seriously....libertarianism will only work in a state(s) who seceed from the Union. the Feds are to big to fail now.

Not too big to fail, Mr. Bush. If you let the absess persist, it gets to be a bigger problem. You have to go through the pain of cutting it open and squeezing it all out, to remove the problem itself.





[/QUOTE]I find it interesting that a woman who constantly is on about conspiracys starting in governments to bring about evil ends, is advocating and defending authoritarian statism. That seems like a serious conflict.

It is the responsibility of us as individual Christians to care for our families, to care for our neighbors, to care for our nation. Their is a reason the Good Samaritan was an individual, and not a gov. worker. Jesus placed the responsibility on our shoulders.

 

[jimmydiggs]

oh come on diggs.
a few less nukes and NSA outfits and you'd have basic hospitals where women can give birth and not go bankrupt.

In most cases it would be better to birth a child at home with a midwife.

somebody can get an X-ray and bone set for less than 20G.

You could get it for less than 20k with a different system entirely.

it's not hard.
you don't have to pay for it out of your taxes. just say NO to Raytheon for 12 hours.

You'll still have a system that encourages disasterous lifestyles and the corruption that is government healthcare.

besides....the RC has always had hospitals...would you go to one?

Are you implying something?

or do we need hospitals for every denomination out there

I never said anything about who or which hospitals you should use.

 

[jimmydiggs]

seriously....libertarianism will only work in a state(s) who seceed from the Union. the Feds are to big to fail now.

Additionally, I'm not a libertarian. Sympathetic, but I'm not a libertarian.

 

[Fubario]

Right after the collapse, world war III will be triggered by a false flag event, the bombing of a national monument.

 

[PoxEclipse]

Restaurant Owner Leasing Property In National Park Opens Up In Defiance of Shut Down

Restaurant Owner Leasing Property In National Park Opens Up In Defiance of Shut Down - Parks Goons Block Road After 2 Hours - 12160

National Park Service rangers block the entrance Oct. 4, 2013, to Pisgah Inn on the Blue Ridge Parkway southwest of Asheville, N.C., after the company that runs the government-owned facility defied the federal government's shutdown order. Jon Ostendorff, Asheville (N.C.) Citizen-Times

http://www.citizen-times.com/articl...overnment-shutdown?odyssey=tab&nclick_check=1

WAYNESVILLE — Police blocked the entrances to the privately run Pisgah Inn on the Blue Ridge Parkway on Friday to end a showdown over the federal shutdown that started when the business opened for lunch against government orders.Inn managers had decided to close after initially saying the business would defy the Thursday deadline to shut down.

Business owner Bruce O’Connell said he thought about it overnight and decided to make a stand, after all, on Friday. He leases the building from the National Park Service, a business he has had for 35 years.

“Conscience, conviction. That’s about it,” he said of the decision to open at noon.

A handful of guests had lunch before park service police blocked the driveways to the inn with patrol cars and orange flashing lights. They turned customers away, saying the government was closed.

The 51-room inn was booked solid for October. O’Connell said he plans to refund his customers though many planned vacations to see the fall colors months in advance.

His 100 employees, 35 of which live on the property, are idled.

Lunch diners on Friday didn’t agree with government’s move to block access to the inn. The parkway road is still open.

“If they were government employees they’d get back pay when government refunded,” said Baird Lefter, of nearby Waynesville, who was dining with his wife and a friend. “They are just being shut out of work. And if they haven’t closed to the parkway why should they close the concessions?”

Parkway Chief Ranger Steve Stinnett said park service managers in Washington directed him to block access to the inn and ensure “people don’t utilize a business that, according to the federal government, is closed.”

He said rangers would stay in place as long they are needed.

Most of the guests at the inn had left by mid afternoon.

O’Connell said he got a letter from National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis ordering him to shut down. The park service also told him he was violating his contract.

He said he could not get around police blocking the entrances to his business but left the door open for future defiance.

“Right now it appears we have reached a point where we have to acquiesce but it doesn’t mean tomorrow something might change,” he said.

Rooms cost $125 a night and the restaurant would serve about 20,000 tourists during a typical October, O’Connell said.

But he said his defiance was not about the lost revenue.

“Its about the visitors, its about the staff and employees who are now having to move off the mountain, they live here, with no notice. They have no jobs. That’s the concern.”

 

[PoxEclipse]

GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LIES ~ $63B Spent, $26B Taxed; $1.6B Borrowed

[video=youtube;R6EjUEZIpX0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6EjUEZIpX0[/video]


GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LIES ~ B Spent, B Taxed; GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LIES ~ $63B Spent, $26B Taxed; $1.6B Borrowed; $1B Paid in Salaries–in Just 2 Days � InvestmentWatch.6B Borrowed; GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LIES ~ $63B Spent, $26B Taxed; $1.6B Borrowed

In general terms, politicians and the press may be referring to what has been happening in Washington, D.C., over the past few days as a government “shutdown” or a “partial government shutdown,” but the actual accounting sheets of the
U.S. Treasury show that massive amounts of taxed and borrowed money were flowing in and out of the government during the first two days of fiscal 2014.

According to the Daily Treasury Statement for Oct. 2, which was released yesterday at 4:00 p.m., the Treasury spent a total of $63.262 billion in the first two days of fiscal 2014. At the same time, it took in $25.681 billion in tax revenue.

The Treasury also sold $1.648 billion in new Treasury securities–which is government debt.

Among the things, the federal government spent money on during the “partial government shutdown” was $1.129 billion in salaries for federal employees.

What a 'Shutdown' Means: $63B Spent, $26B Taxed; $1.6B Borrowed; $1B Paid in Salaries--in Just 2 Days | CNS News
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[Married_Richenbrachen]

Right after the collapse, world war III will be triggered by a false flag event, the bombing of a national monument.

Which national monument, and when?

 

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Re: Cascade Stock Market Losses Caused by Treasuries?

The reason this is all materially meaningless is because the national debt is rising so rapidly that we are only a few years away from not being able to borrow the trillion or so a year to continue funding it. The only choices left when you can't borrow money anymore to fund massive deficit spending are austerity or printing money which devalues the currency resulting in spiraling inflation.

there is another option - that's where they're going with this : THE IMF AND BIS. for America!
O woe is us.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Re: Cascade Stock Market Losses Caused by Treasuries?

there is another option - that's where they're going with this : THE IMF AND BIS. for America!
O woe is us.

So essentially, legitimisation of the process of debt enslavement that America is already under? Official loss of sovereignty for extending the loans created from nothing? How will things be different, except for giving an air of legality to the theft already taking place (and obviously, everyone having less and less as more is stolen)?

 

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'You should be concerned': Obama warns world markets there is no guarantee U.S. will avoid defaulting on its debts

'Exasperated' president says shutdown feud may prevent debt solution
He said: 'When you have a faction willing to default, we are in trouble'
Says he is not willing to water down healthcare bill to break deadlock
Held crunch meeting with Wall Street bankers over budget impasse
Goldman Sachs chief: 'Consequences of default are extremely adverse'

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER

PUBLISHED: 10:24 GMT, 3 October 2013 | UPDATED: 17:54 GMT, 3 October 2013

Obama warns world markets there is no guarantee U.S. will avoid defaulting on its debts | Mail Online


- 'Exasperated' president says shutdown feud may prevent debt solution < debt "solution"? that's the last thing Wall St/Gov't wants.

- Held crunch meeting with Wall Street bankers over budget impasse < The President? meeting with PRIVATE BANKERS? < illegal.

- Goldman Sachs chief: 'Consequences of default are extremely adverse' < translation: BANK OF WORLD SETTLEMENTS - IMF

Warning: Brian Moynihan (right), CEO of the Bank of America, and Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of The Goldman Sachs Group, speak to reporters after they met with President Barack Obama over the debt ceiling

Chief executives from major financial institutions met Obama over the first budget impasse for 17 years in a row over healthcare and finances.
They warned of ‘adverse’ consequences if the U.S. government agencies remain closed and if lawmakers failed to raise the debt ceiling by mid-October. < racketeering
After the meeting, Goldman Sachs chief executive Lloyd Blankfein implicitly criticised Republicans for using their opposition to Obama's healthcare law as a weapon that could lead to a devastating default.
There’s no debate that the seriousness of the U.S. not paying its debts... is the most serious thing we have, and we witnessed that in August 2011 and you saw the ramifications: a slowdown in the economy,’ said Brian Moynihan, chief executive of Bank of America.
The country came close to default during a similar political crisis in 2011. That stand-off prompted the first downgrade of the U.S. credit rating.
Conservative Republicans have signalled they will take the same tactic on the debt limit this year as they did on government funding by seeking to dismantle or put off the healthcare law. President Obama has declined to negotiate over raising the debt limit.
Business leaders made clear the financial world wanted to avoid the risk of the government not paying its bills.
‘There is precedent for a government shutdown. There’s no precedent for default. We’re the most important economy in the world. We’re the reserve currency of the world,’ said Mr Blankfein.
'Business leaders want Washington to understand ‘the long-term consequences of a shutdown ... certainly the consequences of a debt ceiling [not being raised], and we all agree that those are extremely adverse,’ he said.
Michael Corbat of Citigroup and others were scheduled to attend the session.
‘I think both sides have a pretty good appreciation for what’s at stake here,’ said Mr Corbat. He said the executives were ‘trying to encourage both sides to engage.’

Read more: Obama warns world markets there is no guarantee U.S. will avoid defaulting on its debts | Mail Online
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absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!

 

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Re: Cascade Stock Market Losses Caused by Treasuries?

So essentially, legitimisation of the process of debt enslavement that America is already under? Official loss of sovereignty for extending the loans created from nothing? How will things be different, except for giving an air of legality to the theft already taking place (and obviously, everyone having less and less as more is stolen)?

well, if this little charade doesn't do it, the next one will.

it's not a matter of a) raise the debt ceiling OR 2) default.

this is all a game to say "Look - we/the U.S. is in a lot of trouble because a) is bad enough [cough cough Wall St giggles]....but we're so close to b) [default]....it's time the IMF comes in and takes a look at the BOOKS.

when that happens - everything is up for auction...and i mean EVERYTHING. all physical assets and infrastructure for sale to the highest bidder...Wall Street (through offshoring)

and in comes all that austerity Ron Paul talked about (but made it sound reasonable)...take another look at the MODEL they flashed at us last year - CYPRUS.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Re: Cascade Stock Market Losses Caused by Treasuries?

well, if this little charade doesn't do it, the next one will.

So essentially, the ongoing theft becomes legalised and open, instead of illegal and hidden? Things they've been eroding and working against, like the Constitution and laws protecting the rights of people/property, will be totally done away with, so there is no legal recourse against the theft?

 

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URGENT MEMO: The current U.S. President has chosen to meet outside of government law, possibly selling off additional parts of the nation’s sovereignty – to men in suits who are more than ready to capitalize on the current US budget crisis.

US Treasury head Jack Lew described the situation as follows: “If we have insufficient cash on hand, it would be impossible for the United States of America to meet all of its obligations for the first time in our history.”

Reuters wire reports today that US President Barack Obama has met with top bank chief executives to discuss ‘the government shutdown’, and the looming deadline to raise the nation’s debt limit.

The bank chiefs he met with included such upstanding money lenders as Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, Michael Corbat of Citigroup, Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase & Co, and Brian Moynihan of Bank of America – and it’s worth noting here that each and every one of these men have presided over one financial fraud or scandal of some kind over the last 5 years.

As it happens, JPMorgan just offered the Feds $3 Billion to end probes into its dodgy mortgage business.

BANKING VULTURES: JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, left, and Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein – meeting with Obama in violation of Antideficiency Act.


Yes, Obama has met with Goldman Sachs and Co, in order to arrange for a new ‘debt ceiling’, or more accurately – a new line of credit. Only problem: he cannot do this during a shutdown. Such an act is in direct violation of the Antideficiency Act of 1870. It was a real law in fact, passed by Congress and also amended several times. This US law clearly prohibits a government office holders from incurring any monetary obligation – for which the Congress has not appropriated funds.

Question: In his secret meeting with bankers, what did the President promising to give away in return for a quick payday loan from the banking opportunists? This should be disclosed to the public.

Administration officials should be concerned about this important 19th century law – one that could send them packing, or perhaps imprisoned – should they choose to (as the President has today) take the law into their own hand behind the back of the American people while the government is shut down.

CNBC reported today:

“CNBC has learned that in several executive branch departments, high-level staff members review individual decisions about what government activities to allow for fear of running afoul of the Antideficiency Act. One White House official said he has advised his employees not to check their email or cellphones. Under the act, even volunteering for government service is expressly prohibited.

In a memo to his department employees today, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew cited the law as the reason for reduced staffing.”

If America is a nation of laws, then this should be the last meeting the President ever attends. If the nation is being run by a self-serving criminal class of charlatans, then nothing will come of Obama’s latest affront to constitutional law.

To add insult to injury, the President is also playing games in the press, in attempt to be a clever Dick. From Zerohedge:
In an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood, Obama once again shows why the polarization in Congress is at record levels. In a brief: he said he is “exasperated”, and that the shutdown is “entirely unnecessary” but adds that he is (finally?) prepared to negotiate, however only after he gets his way namely after the government is reopened. And another important talking point: Obama added that while gridlock in D.C. is nothing new, “this time I think Wall Street should be concerned.”

It is unclear how that statement makes any sense in light of Obama’s right hand senator Chuck Schumer telling the man who is really in charge, Ben Bernanke, to get to work. Unless of course, Obama is now angling for a “concerning” market crash, which sends the Dow down by 20% like in the summer of 2011, and Obama can tell the stunned public “I told you so.”

There are multiple lines of active inquiry now, as well as various protests coming on line (not Occupy, but real ones) this month, as an increasing number of Americans are beginning to see the illusion put forth by the government and its commercial media arms, about the massive gravy train for Federal government related agencies, research grants and contractors. If America wobbles, there will be a huge economic downturn in the short-term.

Aside from anything, this potentially fatal gaff by Obama should demonstrate to Americans that politicians DO NOT run the nation – bankers do.


cont........

 

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cont.......21st century wire:

DR VON MISES’S REPORT…

21WIRE’s in-house chief financial health consultant submitted this report just before press time:

Diagnosis: The President is presently unable to perform his duties, and is currently displaying overtly narcissistic and psychotic behavioral patterns – all of which is unbecoming of a US chief executive. This could be treated with heavy medication and hormone replacement therapy, but that would mean he would need to resign immediately. Both Democrats and Republicans have acquiesced to run-away spending through the last two administrations and aside from a handful of sensible Congressmen and women (most of whom have since been run out of office), they have willingly built a federal Titantic which is now threatening to sink the fortunes of the American people. US federal government departments and gravy train contractors are presiding over an all-you-can-eat buffet, followed by an after dinner crack pipe, and although doing nicely for themselves, they have been knowingly been running the country’s fiscal affairs off a cliff.

Next 14 Days – Prognosis: Dollar down. Stock market down. Gold and silver up. But sadly because of the running scam being run by petroleum companies, this means oil and gasoline in the US will go up as well.

Treatment: No more new lines of credit. Start cutting the totally unnecessary big-ticket items – starting with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). It didn’t even exist before 2001, but it was planned long before 9/11. Figure that one out. When the DHS is closed, all of its newly unemployed DHS workers and domestic soldiers should be put to work picking up trash along the sides of roads and highways in America, or cleaning toilets at gas stations. All highly skilled redundant employees should not be wasted however on menial labor, and should immediately be put to work sorting through recycled trash so as to help make America greener and more sustainable. Once this transitional cycle is complete, then repeat this process again with the National Security Agency (NSA). Repeat process again with the Department of Education. After these treatments are complete – then they can fuss over Obamacare.

Total Savings: $760 billion per annum. Then, at least we’re back in business, with clean roads, toilets etc.

All say aye?

Obama meets with Goldman Sachs for new line of credit &#8211; in violation of US law

 

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Obama meets with heads of big banks on shutdown, debt limit

WASHINGTON | Wed Oct 2, 2013 10:29am EDT

Oct 2 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama was scheduled to meet on Wednesday with top bank chief executives to discuss the government shutdown and the looming deadline to raise the nation's debt limit, the White House said.

Bank chiefs included Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs, Michael Corbat of Citigroup, Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase & Co, and Brian Moynihan of Bank of America.

Obama meets with heads of big banks on shutdown, debt limit | Reuters

 

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UH-OH....HERE THEY COME

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3 October 2013

IMF head warns US debt crisis threatens world economy

IMF head Christine Lagarde says it is "mission critical" that the situation is resolved

IMF managing director Christine Lagarde says failure to raise the US debt ceiling would be a far worse threat to the global economy than the current shutdown.

The shutdown is due to a budget standoff between President Barack Obama and Congress.

But a worse problem looms: the US will run out of money if there is no agreement to raise the borrowing limit.

Ms Lagarde's comments were echoed by the US Treasury.

It says a debt default could lead to a financial crisis as bad as 2008 or worse.

Mr Obama emphasised that gloomy message in a separate speech on Thursday.

"As reckless as a government shutdown is, as many people as are being hurt by a government shutdown, an economic shutdown that results from default would be dramatically worse," he said.

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A default would be unprecedented and has the potential to be catastrophic”

US Treasury report
'Mission critical'
Mr Obama and congressional leaders have been in political deadlock for days, which has had the effect of freezing non-essential US government functions.

The US government closed non-essential operations on Tuesday after Congress failed to strike a deal on a new budget.

The shutdown has left more than 700,000 employees on unpaid leave and closed national parks, tourist sites, government websites, office buildings, and more.

For US economic watchers, a widely tracked indicator - the monthly US jobs report - has been delayed due to the shutdown, it was announced on Thursday.

However, while this budget crisis rages in Washington DC, another, more dangerous, one looms in the coming weeks.

On 17 October, the US government will run out of cash to pay its bills - unless the debt ceiling is raised.

In a speech looking ahead to a decade of challenges for the world economy, Ms Lagarde said that the US government needed to fix its finances for the long term.

She said it was "mission critical" that the US agrees a new debt ceiling.

But as she has often said before, there should not be too much change in the short term because that could undermine the economic recovery.

Cautiously positive
On the prospects for the world economy in general terms Ms Lagarde was cautiously positive.

She added that, although the global economic outlook remained subdued, there were signs that growth was looking up and financial stability returning.

She said not only was the US picking up steam, but the Eurozone was too, with a growth forecast of 1% next year. Even Japan, she said, was beginning to improve - albeit all three areas needed to make policy changes.

The IMF's latest economic forecasts will be released in a few days and will give a more detailed view of global economic health and prospects....

BBC News - IMF head warns US debt crisis threatens world economy < CLICK MORE for OBAMA FAKE RANT

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check this out:

"She said not only was the US picking up steam, but the Eurozone was too, with a growth forecast of 1% next year. Even Japan, she said, was beginning to improve - albeit all three areas needed to make policy changes."

this is shorthand for Marx's Trilateralism.

arga warga....trouble.

 

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THE IMF AND THE US TREASURY [WHICH IS THE FED] ARE PRIVATELY OWNED INSTITUTIONS.....owned by the same GANGSTERS....United Fruit; Boer Wars; etc etc

“the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets.” - Baron Rothschild

 

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The True Size of the Shadow Banking System Revealed (Spoiler: Humongous)

The shadow banking system is vastly bigger than regulators had thought, say econophysicists who have developed a powerful new way to measure its hidden impact

In most parts of the world, the banking system is closely regulated and monitored by central banks and other government agencies. That’s just as it should be, you might think.

But banks have a way round this kind of regulation. For the last decade or so, it has become common practice for banks to do business in ways that don’t show up on conventional balance sheets. Before the 2008 financial crisis, for example, many investment banks financed mortgages in this way. To all intents and purposes, these transactions are invisible to regulators.....

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/5e1dd9d1642

 

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hint:

Diamond seller De Beers closes its London auction rooms after nearly 80 years as the company heads to Africa...

...Take-over: Anglo American last year took over De Beers after agreeing to buy the 40 per cent stake from the Oppenheimer family in a £3.2billion deal

Read more: Diamond seller De Beers closes its London auction rooms after nearly 80 years as the company heads to Africa | Mail Online
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hint:

Diamond seller De Beers closes its London auction rooms after nearly 80 years as the company heads to Africa...

...Take-over: Anglo American last year took over De Beers after agreeing to buy the 40 per cent stake from the Oppenheimer family in a £3.2billion deal

Read more: Diamond seller De Beers closes its London auction rooms after nearly 80 years as the company heads to Africa | Mail Online
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Diamond trader De Beers is heading to Botswana in £74million move
Move has been hailed the 'end of an era' after nearly 80 years of trading
More than £3.7bn of annual rough diamond sales will move to Gaborone

Read more: Diamond seller De Beers closes its London auction rooms after nearly 80 years as the company heads to Africa | Mail Online
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.......

Botswana builds UAV surveillance force

12:00 20 Mar 2001 Source:

Botswana is creating an intelligence gathering un-manned air vehicle capability, following an order for Israeli-built systems.

According to sources in Botswana, the southern African country recently signed a contract to purchase at least three short-range systems from Silver Arrow.

The Botswana defence force plans to deploy the systems along its borders with Namibia, South Africa and Zimbabwe.

The contract includes training of Botswanan personnel by Israeli teams. Sources suggest the deal could lead to the purchase of larger UAVs with greater range and longer endurance.

Botswana builds UAV surveillance force < click


they're jumping ship.