What Laws are still valid to christians

[Elin]

FULFILL? ? ?

17 Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. – First off twice in this one verse Yahshua says He “did not come to destroy the Law or the Prophets.” He said He came to “fulfill them.”

And he has fulfilled the Law, which is why it is set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
along with the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) on which it was based,
the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant (Heb 8:13, which was based on it,
the sacrifies, etc.

 

[homwardbound]

and becomes a doer, not of themselves, rather God doing God's work through them. An exchanged life my life for his life. Could this be?

I'm not sure what you mean here.

An exchanged life my life for Christ's life is:
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[just-me]

maybe i'm just being misunderstood, hizikyah what do you think i'm saying? or what do you understand from my explaination

If I may sir. I think that when understanding the New Testament with what Jesus said, and what Paul said concerning the dying daily, the tool that we cannot forsake is the very tool that shows us the flesh that tends to raise its ugly head inside of us continuously. I believe that was, and is the purpose of the law. The living Word shows us our members that is war against our trusting, and faithful thoughts in Christ. I believe without the law, we will fail to be able to die daily as the Bible says.

Romans 7:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Hizikyah]

This scripture alone should make them think and examine themselves.. but they don't want to do that, i just don't understand man.. it's like the word of God is no effect to them

sincerely, I feel the same way

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Hizikyah]

maybe i'm just being misunderstood, hizikyah what do you think i'm saying? or what do you understand from my explaination

i do think we both are probably misunderstand eachother a bit.

i say obedience, you scream justified by law pharisee

you say grace i scream mercy perverter!

 

[Elin]

"The day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by the fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. . .everything will be destroyed in this way." (2Pe 3:10-11)

also a better translation is:

Young's Literal Translation
and it will come -- the day of the Lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

Don't see any substantive difference.

 

[Hizikyah]

Don't see any substantive difference.

and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare

and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

i viewed a difference in

"everything in it"

"the works in it"

as there are still going to be people alive when Yahshua returns and remain alive, so it cant be evrything

how do you see it?

 

[homwardbound]

90 pages on and closing in on 2000 posts and still we have no definitive list to the OP'S question.......I myself am confused over what laws are still valid, a question that in all of the posts that I'm aware of do not answer exactly what commandments was Jesus speaking about when He speaks about His commandments?

God's law of love that God gives us through the resurrected Christ, after we agree with God that we are dead to the self, we are thus alive to God in the Spirit of God. This is the operation of God to all that believe in God that God accepts, and God shows us all this truth in being set free from bondages of error. a free gift from God to all that choose to believe God in all his truth, that no man has ever had anything to do with. All God and of no one else

praying this helps

 

[zone]

Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html

^^ GOLD ^^

ty Elin

 

[zone]

and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare

and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.

i viewed a difference in

"everything in it"

"the works in it"

as there are still going to be people alive when Yahshua returns and remain alive, so it cant be evrything

how do you see it?

2 Peter 3:13
12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

 

[homwardbound]

if your talking about the vision Im thinkin, it was about him not thinking gentiles were unclean

?

Yes and he went and preached as led, not him the Holy Ghost through him and they received the new life in the Holy Ghost, dead to flesh and alive in the Spirit of God. seeing there is no respect of person from God and they received this new life even before any water Baptism, amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even though they were water Baptized after the fact in having new life, baptized in the Spirit of God, already born again, amazing God's free gift.

 

[Elin]

if the Sacrificial Law was "done away" how did you being born 2000 yrs later, accept the Sacrifice to be reconciled to Yahweh?

That is a desperate strawman.

yeah we all did take part in the man dying, for our sins caused it to be, so we could all have mercy.

Irrelevant.

You don't even understand the OT correctly.

Only the priest offered sacrifice.

I think Hizikyah is referring to the sacrifice Jesus gave of Himself and
the sacrifice that we bring to Christ daily.

Do you think that is what the context of the dialogue shows?

 

[homwardbound]

Some are restated, but that cannot mean that because it was not restated means that it applies no more, not sure but wasn't it John who said that there were many things Jesus said/did that are not written down because all the books in the world would not be able to contain them?.......and this puzzles me, most Christians believe that Jesus is God, God gave the Commandments and Laws in the O/T, so why would they not apply now?

if I may please, thanks and not that I know, just stating what I have thus so far learned by the grace of God, never to be taken for granted

No matter what God's love through Christ is the fulfillment of all Law, and through one's belief God imputes this in you,a nd you are a doer by that engrafted word from God to you

 

[Hizikyah]

2 Peter 3:13
12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

not to get off topic, but you know where it says the same thing in Isayah 66? well its the same wrod for new moon so its not for sure completely new, renewed is more accurate, at the least for the new moon, but it is the same hebrew word...

not tryin to start a linguistic debatem just saying

 

[homwardbound]

Some are restated, but that cannot mean that because it was not restated means that it applies no more, not sure but wasn't it John who said that there were many things Jesus said/did that are not written down because all the books in the world would not be able to contain them?.......and this puzzles me, most Christians believe that Jesus is God, God gave the Commandments and Laws in the O/T, so why would they not apply now?

Since the beginning it has been Love to us all, and Mercy to us all. Love is what God has and is time maybe for us all to respond to that in thankfulness and praises, just maybe? Free will to all

 

[homwardbound]

"under Law" is viewed differently by different people, but that is not important now.

I have been cleansed by the blood of Yahshua and can now be guided by the Spirit of Yahweh to do His will, Yahweh has left perfect Laws that give me a guide me to liberty from evil, I use this in conjuction with Spiritual guidance, to make sure anothjer Spirit doesnt trick me or my own desire dont get into the way.

so I believe all followers of Yahweh should take Yahweh;s Laws to themseleves, I dont bel;ieve any will be rejected for simply sinning, but i do believe some will be rejected for not even subjecting themselves the Yahweh;s Law. By the mouth of Yahshua this is FACT:

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Thanks and agreed

 

[Hizikyah]

And he has fulfilled the Law, which is why it is set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
along with the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) on which it was based,
the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant (Heb 8:13, which was based on it,
the sacrifies, etc.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Shaul KNEW his Scripture

Psalm 105:6-10, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His
judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant,"

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

there is no seperate path for Jews and Gentile, Gentilew who accept Yahshua are seed of Abraham

 

[Josh321]

sincerely, I feel the same way

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

May i ask a question? what do you think when you see one part of the scripture that say the law is abolished( not exactly abolished it's just fulfilled in us through the holy spirit when we receive christ) and another part that says keep it, do you think or wonder that it could be talking to 2 different people?

 

[Elin]

Verse 16 says the OPPISITION was abolished not the INSTRUCTIONS .

No, it does not.

You haven't considered and addressed the grammatical construction whereby
"the Law" is in grammatical apposition to the enmity,and not the grammatical object of the enmity.

It's not about hermeneutics, it's about grammatical construction.

In "hired the plumber, George," George is in grammatical apposition to plumber,
George is not the grammatical object of plumber.

In "abolishing the enmity, the law with its commandments," the law is in
grammatical apposition to the enmity, the law is not the grammatical object of the enmity.

It's a matter of grammatical construction, not hermeneutics. . .

. . .Reminder again ofthe grammatical construction of Eph 2:15:

"abolished the enmity, the law" is grammatically the same as "hired the plumber, George,"
where the "law" and "George" are in apposition to, and not objects of, "enmity" and "plumber," respectively.

we have different views of what Eph 2:15-16 abolished...

The NT has only one view.

 

[Hizikyah]

May i ask a question? what do you think when you see one part of the scripture that say the law is abolished( not exactly abolished it's just fulfilled in us through the holy spirit when we receive christ) and another part that says keep it, do you think or wonder that it could be talking to 2 different people?

nowhere does the Scripture say the Law is abolished, fulfill is not abolish, Yahshua says that 2 tines in that ONE verse, in EPH 2:15-16 its the oppisition to the Law that abolished, my brother I have to log off very soon, but I didnt make these decision overnight or byuanyones doctrine, I believed like nost here do 5 years ago, and then I spent 5 years of average 8 hours a day in prayer and study with zero preachers, pastores, teachings, just me and the Scriptures, and I was shown what I believe now. I dont know everything, I can still learn alot, but Yahweh has shown me much. people need to understand the pharisees NEVER kept Yahweh;s law they made their own, many parts of Scriptures, even acts are istaken becasuse ppl dont know difference. theres more too but i gtg