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What a disgusting and blasphemous letter. If this was an older generation, I like to think there's a good chance that letter would have received a sound biblical refutation, accompanied with an appropriate gift - the requested head of the traitor Pollard, with his body to be buried on land generously donated for the purpose by the US.

Or is this getting too mixed up in worldly affairs for Christians?
well, it's rather difficult to work around it - seeing the spirit of antichrist is attached to the church.

i don't expect much different from unregenerate people (ANY, including those in Islam; atheists; et al) - certainly not from those who live by the Oral Traditions (later Talmud) that Jesus condemned.

the Rabbis (Pharisees) just hit reset on fulfilled prophecies - naturally. The Messianic Age for them didn't begin with Jesus (Daniel 9)

just as we see another group doing - their enablers.

it's that group i'm against.

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"This book will expose the sins of the fathers and the vicious abuse of the Jewish people. In Defense of Israel will shake Christian theology. It scripturally proves that the Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the high priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist too dangerous to live. Since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah, how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered? Read this shocking expose, In Defense of Israel.

- John Hagee, In Defense of Israel

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but hey! that's just me.
 

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BCE is for "before Common Era"--not "before Christ". Sigh, why use Christ-denying terminology in the midst of scripture references? :rolleyes:
well - because they reject Jesus Christ.
their scripture references were fulfilled by Him the First Time He came.
but, they want a carnal kingdom and a human king.

sounds familiar....dreary. and familiar.

there's one reference i find interesting: "Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!"
 
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well, it's rather difficult to work around it - seeing the spirit of antichrist is attached to the church.
In case I wasn't clear, I wasn't saying the letter shouldn't have been posted - you have a gift for exposing evil. I was really wondering that perhaps, in a different age, even a puppet president would have known how to respond to such lies and audacity.

These worms are forever gnawing at the roots of freedom, and the first step in their little game is blasphemy against Christ Jesus. Very sad when those who call themselves by His name can't see this.
 
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Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!
What are your thoughts, Zone? (Or anyone else?)

Are they trying to accomplish another fake prophecy by attributing to George a title that isn't his? Or could the title and oppression against Christians be a real fulfillment?
 
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In case I wasn't clear, I wasn't saying the letter shouldn't have been posted - you have a gift for exposing evil. I was really wondering that perhaps, in a different age, even a puppet president would have known how to respond to such lies and audacity.
i think bush just ignored it...being a letter from a fringe group and all...
 

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In case I wasn't clear, I wasn't saying the letter shouldn't have been posted - you have a gift for exposing evil. I was really wondering that perhaps, in a different age, even a puppet president would have known how to respond to such lies and audacity.

These worms are forever gnawing at the roots of freedom, and the first step in their little game is blasphemy against Christ Jesus. Very sad when those who call themselves by His name can't see this.
THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY
John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt

http://mearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/IsraelLobby.pdf < click

understandable enough, since we're dealing with people who are as yet unregenerate.
they're only doing what one might expect - looking for power.

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In Christian version of AIPAC conference, CUFI draws 5,600 to Washington for pro-Israel lobbying
By Neil RubinJuly 17, 2012

Two years ago, the AJC brought together Gary Bauer — a prominent CUFI executive board member — Marans and Rabbi Julie Schonfeld of the Conservative movement’s Rabbinical Assembly to talk about evangelical support for Israel.

- For his part, Hagee has said repeatedly in interviews that proselytizing is unacceptable for CUFI members.

Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, who addressed the CUFI delegates during a session on the importance of Christian Zionism, told JTA that he has spoken with Hagee about the matter and believes him.

Both Christians and Jews believe they are living out God’s mandate and that their understanding of the messiah is correct, said Riskin, an Orthodox rabbi in the West Bank community of Efrat and founder of the Israel-based Center for Jewish-Christian Understanding and Cooperation. “They have the right to believe that because I believe at the end of days all of the Christians will convert to Judaism."

In Christian version of AIPAC conference, CUFI draws 5,600 to Washington for pro-Israel lobbying | Jewish Telegraphic Agency < click

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What are your thoughts, Zone? (Or anyone else?)

Are they trying to accomplish another fake prophecy by attributing to George a title that isn't his? Or could the title and oppression against Christians be a real fulfillment?
rabbinic judaism has a definite tendency to conflate separate things...usually misidentifying a more obscure entity as a better known one...for example there is a tradition that identifies mechizedek as shem...and another tradition that identifies king amraphel of shinar as nimrod...

the mistaken identification of the united states with meshech and tubal is more of the same thing...
 

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What are your thoughts, Zone? (Or anyone else?)

Are they trying to accomplish another fake prophecy by attributing to George a title that isn't his? Or could the title and oppression against Christians be a real fulfillment?


this looks a little like our 'War On Terror' - so far......doesn't it?
add in the western-funded and organized Arab Spring rubbish...and ya.

you tell me.
what are Christians in the region saying?
 
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In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people

Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz
The Sanhedrin
i think bush just ignored it...being a letter from a fringe group and all...
Adin Steinsaltz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz (Hebrew: עדין שטיינזלץ) or Adin Even Yisrael (Hebrew: עדין אבן ישראל) (born 1937) is a teacher, philosopher, social critic, and spiritual mentor, who has been hailed by Time magazine as a "once-in-a-millennium scholar".[1] He has devoted his life to making the Talmud accessible to all Jews.[2]

Rabbi Steinsaltz's classic work of Kabbalah, The Thirteen Petalled Rose, was first published in 1980 and now appears in eight languages.

In Jerusalem, he gives evening seminars, which according to Newsweek usually last till 2 in the morning, and have attracted prominent politicians as the former Prime Minister Levi Eshkol and former Finance Minister Pinhas Sapir.[6]

Rabbi Steinsaltz has received many awards and prizes, among them the Israel Prize for Jewish studies in 1988.[13]

On 9 February 2012, Steinsaltz was honored by Israeli President Shimon Peres with Israel's first President's Prize for his scholarship in Talmud.[14]
 
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Adin Steinsaltz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz (Hebrew: עדין שטיינזלץ) or Adin Even Yisrael (Hebrew: עדין אבן ישראל) (born 1937) is a teacher, philosopher, social critic, and spiritual mentor, who has been hailed by Time magazine as a "once-in-a-millennium scholar".[1] He has devoted his life to making the Talmud accessible to all Jews.[2]

Rabbi Steinsaltz's classic work of Kabbalah, The Thirteen Petalled Rose, was first published in 1980 and now appears in eight languages.

In Jerusalem, he gives evening seminars, which according to Newsweek usually last till 2 in the morning, and have attracted prominent politicians as the former Prime Minister Levi Eshkol and former Finance Minister Pinhas Sapir.[6]

Rabbi Steinsaltz has received many awards and prizes, among them the Israel Prize for Jewish studies in 1988.[13]

On 9 February 2012, Steinsaltz was honored by Israeli President Shimon Peres with Israel's first President's Prize for his scholarship in Talmud.[14]
a person can receive critical acclaim and still represent what is largely a fringe group...see john shelby spong or the 'jesus seminar' for examples within christianity...

the fact remains that the authority of the 'sanhedrin' is not recognized by the majority of jews in israel or elsewhere...and the 'temple institute' is not supported by the majority of jews either...
 
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a person can receive critical acclaim and still represent what is largely a fringe group...see john shelby spong or the 'jesus seminar' for examples within christianity...

the fact remains that the authority of the 'sanhedrin' is not recognized by the majority of jews in israel or elsewhere...and the 'temple institute' is not supported by the majority of jews either...
Recognized, supported, ...

Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews
Dec 1, 2011 5:30 AM EST

[video=youtube;6es1C7BBj7g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6es1C7BBj7g[/video]

The Israeli government has launched an aggressive advertising campaign in the U.S. to discourage its expats from marrying American Jews—who some see as not really Jews at all.

Jewish children reared in America grow up hearing one thing on repeat. It’s like a dull tuning fork in the ear, or an image that sticks in the brain. Marry a Jew. Over and over. As if each time is the first. The subtext is that each of us is responsible for all of us, and if we intermarry, we risk disappearing completely. American Jews preach marrying each other in Israel’s name. The act does the Jewish homeland proud. A friend’s parent once told me that marrying a Jew would be great, but marrying an Israeli would be even better.

Unfortunately for American Jews, and all those niggling parents, it turns out that Israel might not be on our team in this marriage game. A middling and now infamous Israeli government department has forged a peculiar U.S.-based advertising campaign. In a series of videos and billboards, it is discouraging Israeli expats from marrying American Jews and imploring them to move back to Israel.

This conspicuous effort is concentrated in mostly expected locales: Palo Alto, Calif.; New York; Boston; and (less understandably) in Hollywood, Fla. Photos of the billboards taken from cell phones showed up on Facebook. That’s where a Jewish television network first discovered the campaign, which was never formally announced by press release and is mostly in Hebrew. The effort cost nearly $1 million, according to Steven I. Weiss at the Jewish Channel, who broke the story. He believes this is far less than the department’s budget for wooing American Jews to move to Israel.

Not only is Israel’s clinical-sounding Ministry for Immigrant Absorption telling its citizens whom to marry, it is also beckoning them home.

It’s common and advisable that countries publicly court their departed citizens, especially ones with troubled economies in need of repair. India sends its scholars to the States for an education, then entices them back to work. Ireland encourages natives to travel the world and then return. Most recently, Tunisia is asking back nationals after the spring revolution.

Israel’s once booming technology industry seems to have splintered in the global economic crisis. But rather than antagonizing the minds it did not retain, maybe Israel’s government would do better to find out why Israelis are moving to America in the first place. It’s hard to find clear-cut numbers on how many Israeli expats live in the U.S., but the Jewish Channel reported about 2 million.

One video advertisement features an Israeli girl, Dafna, observing Israel’s memorial day, while her feckless American boyfriend, Josh, looks on dumbly. He is cast as a slobbering puppy who may be lovable but can’t really think.“They will always remain Israelis,” rumbles the voice-over. “Their partners won’t always understand what this means.”

The other video panders by using every culture’s weakness—its children. An American Jewish child is visiting with her Israeli grandparents on Skype. They ask which holiday is represented by the menorah behind them. She shrieks, “Christmas!” and their faces tighten with shame. The message is that we American Jews will tarnish Israelis’ hard-won, all-encompassing Jewish identities by solely being our secular selves.

The ham-handed effort isn’t targeting American Jews, but it is offending them. Outrage has been concentrated in the blogosphere. “I don't think I have ever seen a demonstration of Israeli contempt for American Jews as obvious as these ads,” writes Jeffery Goldberg in The Atlantic. Gal Beckerman, a child of Israeli expats who lives in Brooklyn, writes in The Forward that the ads are most disturbing because they are full of fear.

This public offensive voices what American Jews should already know, and should be angrier about: that many Israeli writers, thought leaders, politicians, and rabbis believe assimilated American Jews are not Jews at all. People who make it their business to say who is and who isn’t a Jew are as old as the religion itself. That paradigm is hardly a useful one. Nobody listens to people who only want to exclude. There are more of us here than in Israel. Questions of Jewishness may not permeate our everyday activities, but maybe that’s Israeliness and not Jewishness at all.

Besides, if there are no Jews here in America, who would be left to plant all those trees?
 
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Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews
Lol. "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." :D
 
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Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews
Lol. "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." :D
The message is that American Jews are good enough to send Israeli billions of dollars in foreign aid, good enough to embarrass the United States over and over again at the UN--but not good enough to be in their family.

Support your Local Jew!

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Adin Steinsaltz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz (Hebrew: עדין שטיינזלץ) or Adin Even Yisrael (Hebrew: עדין אבן ישראל) (born 1937) is a teacher, philosopher, social critic, and spiritual mentor, who has been hailed by Time magazine as a "once-in-a-millennium scholar".[1] He has devoted his life to making the Talmud accessible to all Jews.[2]

Rabbi Steinsaltz's classic work of Kabbalah, The Thirteen Petalled Rose, was first published in 1980 and now appears in eight languages.

In Jerusalem, he gives evening seminars, which according to Newsweek usually last till 2 in the morning, and have attracted prominent politicians as the former Prime Minister Levi Eshkol and former Finance Minister Pinhas Sapir.[6]

Rabbi Steinsaltz has received many awards and prizes, among them the Israel Prize for Jewish studies in 1988.[13]

On 9 February 2012, Steinsaltz was honored by Israeli President Shimon Peres with Israel's first President's Prize for his scholarship in Talmud.[14]
yes, i hear regularly these characters are "fringe" or similiar.
to us they may seem entirely implausible as authorities. and they are.
but they are most certainly considered great Sages in Judaism.
people who deny their power over the minds and lives of the poor souls trapped in that religion of death - either don't know Judaism, or are making excuses. why i do not know.

any one can look and see the impact Talmudic Judaism has in the world today.
whether it remains concealed as the impetus for certain actions, or not, matters little.
 
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It should be support your local believer in Christ, rather jew or gentile ! God does not care about ethnicity !
 
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It should be support your local believer in Christ, rather jew or gentile ! God does not care about ethnicity !
I think we proved at the start that your local believers in Christ are Jews, and your local Jews are only those believers in Christ (post #3). The thread seems to have repeated the same issues several times. Enjoy your read! :D
 

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It should be support your local believer in Christ, rather jew or gentile ! God does not care about ethnicity !
Galatians 6:10
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
 
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Galatians 6:10
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
Exactly, believers have a priority over unbelievers, no matter if they [unbelievers] are ethnic jews.
 
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Exactly. Many confuse the "times of the Gentiles" with the "fulness of the Gentiles". They are not the same.

Don’t confuse "the fullness of the Gentiles" (Romans 11:25) with "the times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24):

1) THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES involves the relationship of the Gentiles to the church during this present age. God is adding to His Church daily such as should be saved (Acts 2:47), and primarily (though not exclusively) it is Gentiles who are being added to this body. When the full number of Gentiles comes in, then the rapture of the church will take place (the body of Christ will be complete!).

2) THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES involves the relationship of the Gentiles to the nation Israel. As it says in Luke 21:24--"Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." Scofield defines this period of time as follows: "The Times of the Gentiles is that long period beginning with the Babylonian captivity of Judah, under Nebuchadnezzar, and to be brought to an end by the destruction of Gentile world-power by the ‘stone cut out without hands’ (Dan. 2:34,35,44), i.e. the coming of the Lord in glory (Rev. 19:11,21), until which time Jerusalem is politically subject to Gentile rule (Luke 21:24)."

Concerning "the fullness of the Gentiles" it is the Gentiles who are being saved and added to the church until the body of believers is completed. Concerning "the times of the Gentiles" it is the Gentiles who are ruling over Jerusalem and controlling it until the second coming of Christ. Though these two phrases sound similar they must be distinguished (often Rom. 11:25 is wrongly linked together with Luke 21:24 by cross-references found in the margins of Bibles, etc.). We must distinguish things that differ.

Romans Chapter 11: God has not cast away His people, the Israelites