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The "Dispensation of Grace":
Dispensationalists see God as pursuing two distinct purposes throughout history, one related to an earthly goal and an earthly people (the Jews), the other to heavenly goals and a heavenly people (the church).Dispensationalists believe that in the Old Testament God promised the Jewish people an earthly kingdom ruled by Messiah ben David, and that when Christ came He offered this prophesied kingdom to the Jews. When the Jews of the time rejected Christ and the earthly kingdom, the promise was postponed, and the “mystery form” of the kingdom – the church – was established.
The church, according to dispensational doctrine, was unforeseen in the Old Testament and constitutes a “parenthesis” in God’s plan for Israel.
In the future, the distinction between Jew and Gentile will be reestablished and will continue throughout all eternity. The “parenthesis”, or church age, will end at the rapture when Christ comes invisibly to take all believers (excepting OT saints) to heaven to celebrate the “marriage feast of the Lamb” with Christ for a period of seven years.God’s program for the Jews then resumes with the tribulation, Antichrist, bowls of wrath, 144,000 Jews preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Armageddon.
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Grace Movement Dispensationalist
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Post-Acts Dispensationalism holds that only the mystery of Ephesians and Colossians is the grace dispensation, which effectively dispensed with "the law of commandments...the ordinances that were against us"(Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14), in order to bring those saved into the body during Paul's Later Acts ministry, with those like the Ephesians and Colossians, into one fellowship, "the one new man...the fellowship of the mystery."(Eph.2:16;3:9) In this new unified body, all the practices ordained for the Acts church, which was decidedly Jewish/Covenantal, were abolished with the "revelation of the mystery" (Romans 16:25) of Ephesians and Colossians.[28] It is this central belief of a subtle form of Acts 28 doctrine that qualifies Post Acts Dispensationalism as a doctrine to be added into the category of Ultradispensationalism.
Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dispensationalists see God as pursuing two distinct purposes throughout history, one related to an earthly goal and an earthly people (the Jews), the other to heavenly goals and a heavenly people (the church).Dispensationalists believe that in the Old Testament God promised the Jewish people an earthly kingdom ruled by Messiah ben David, and that when Christ came He offered this prophesied kingdom to the Jews. When the Jews of the time rejected Christ and the earthly kingdom, the promise was postponed, and the “mystery form” of the kingdom – the church – was established.
The church, according to dispensational doctrine, was unforeseen in the Old Testament and constitutes a “parenthesis” in God’s plan for Israel.
In the future, the distinction between Jew and Gentile will be reestablished and will continue throughout all eternity. The “parenthesis”, or church age, will end at the rapture when Christ comes invisibly to take all believers (excepting OT saints) to heaven to celebrate the “marriage feast of the Lamb” with Christ for a period of seven years.God’s program for the Jews then resumes with the tribulation, Antichrist, bowls of wrath, 144,000 Jews preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Armageddon.
The Heresy Of Dispensationalism | Test All Things
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redirect from:
Dispensationalism
Grace Movement Dispensationalist
Dispensationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Post-Acts Dispensationalism holds that only the mystery of Ephesians and Colossians is the grace dispensation, which effectively dispensed with "the law of commandments...the ordinances that were against us"(Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14), in order to bring those saved into the body during Paul's Later Acts ministry, with those like the Ephesians and Colossians, into one fellowship, "the one new man...the fellowship of the mystery."(Eph.2:16;3:9) In this new unified body, all the practices ordained for the Acts church, which was decidedly Jewish/Covenantal, were abolished with the "revelation of the mystery" (Romans 16:25) of Ephesians and Colossians.[28] It is this central belief of a subtle form of Acts 28 doctrine that qualifies Post Acts Dispensationalism as a doctrine to be added into the category of Ultradispensationalism.
Hyperdispensationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...except for Israel. no mercy and grace for them:
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
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and you have the GALL to say you are FOR ISRAEL....and Amils and Covenant believers are antisemitic....haha
indeed only the father of lies could devise such an evil scheme.
repent, Red.
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I can't see how anyone can be held responsible for anything at all.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
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...except for Israel. no mercy and grace for them:
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
.....
and you have the GALL to say you are FOR ISRAEL....and Amils and Covenant believers are antisemitic....haha
indeed only the father of lies could devise such an evil scheme.
repent, Red.
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
.....
and you have the GALL to say you are FOR ISRAEL....and Amils and Covenant believers are antisemitic....haha
indeed only the father of lies could devise such an evil scheme.
repent, Red.
UNBELIEVABLE that this is permitted.
Acts 13:23
"From this man's descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.
1 Corinthians 12
12For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Ephesians 2
11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision " by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands-- 12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
LET'S SEE WHO PAUL SAYS WAS AT ONE TIME EXCLUDED FROM THE PROMISES AND GRACE AND THE COMMONWEALTH:
1) Israel
2) Jews
3) gentiles
????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
oh ya...PLAN B kicked in.
after week 69.
a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-nyways.
question - is the folly of the disp position evident?
ya? no?
like.....seriously?
how can ANYONE buy into this?????
Acts 13:23
"From this man's descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.
1 Corinthians 12
12For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Ephesians 2
11Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision " by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands-- 12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
LET'S SEE WHO PAUL SAYS WAS AT ONE TIME EXCLUDED FROM THE PROMISES AND GRACE AND THE COMMONWEALTH:
1) Israel
2) Jews
3) gentiles
????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
oh ya...PLAN B kicked in.
after week 69.
a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-nyways.
question - is the folly of the disp position evident?
ya? no?
like.....seriously?
how can ANYONE buy into this?????
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Acts 3:25
And you [BELIEVING ISRAEL] are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'
Galatians 3:16
God gave the promises to Abraham and his child. And notice that the Scripture doesn't say "to his children," as if it meant many descendants. Rather, it says "to his child"--and that, of course, means Christ.
Romans 11:17
But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree.
Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 9:8
In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
Romans 11:23
And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, for God has the power to graft them back into the tree.
2 Corinthians 3:16
But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Acts 10:43
All the prophets [ISRAEL'S PROPHETS] testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Acts 13:26
"Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
1 John 1:2
The life appeared; we [JEWS] have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us [JEWS].
1 John 2:25
And this is what he promised us [JEWS and GENTILES] --eternal life.
1 John 5
10The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
And you [BELIEVING ISRAEL] are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'
Galatians 3:16
God gave the promises to Abraham and his child. And notice that the Scripture doesn't say "to his children," as if it meant many descendants. Rather, it says "to his child"--and that, of course, means Christ.
Romans 11:17
But some of these branches from Abraham's tree--some of the people of Israel--have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree.
Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 9:8
In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
Romans 11:23
And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, for God has the power to graft them back into the tree.
2 Corinthians 3:16
But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Acts 10:43
All the prophets [ISRAEL'S PROPHETS] testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Acts 13:26
"Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
1 John 1:2
The life appeared; we [JEWS] have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us [JEWS].
1 John 2:25
And this is what he promised us [JEWS and GENTILES] --eternal life.
1 John 5
10The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
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In The Garden
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
Did they know He was the Son of God, did they know that He was a Lord?
Did they hear when he told to Peter, "Peter, put up your sword"?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they heard Him speak in the city, did they hear?
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
Nicodemus came at night so he wouldn't be seen by men
Saying, "Master, tell me why a man must be born again"
And He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He said, "Pick up your bed and walk, why must you criticize?
Same thing my Father do, I can do likewise"
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
The multitude wanted to make Him king, put a crown upon His head
Why did He slip away to a quiet place instead?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
He said, "All power is given to me in heaven and on earth"
Did they know right then and there what that power was worth?
When He rose up from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
Songwriters
Bob Dylan (Robert Allen Zimmerman)
In The Garden
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
Did they know He was the Son of God, did they know that He was a Lord?
Did they hear when he told to Peter, "Peter, put up your sword"?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they came for Him in the garden, did they know?
When they heard Him speak in the city, did they hear?
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
Nicodemus came at night so he wouldn't be seen by men
Saying, "Master, tell me why a man must be born again"
And He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
When He spoke to them in the city, did they hear?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He said, "Pick up your bed and walk, why must you criticize?
Same thing my Father do, I can do likewise"
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
When He healed the blind and crippled, did they see?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
The multitude wanted to make Him king, put a crown upon His head
Why did He slip away to a quiet place instead?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
Did they speak out against Him, did they dare?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
He said, "All power is given to me in heaven and on earth"
Did they know right then and there what that power was worth?
When He rose up from the dead, did they believe?
When He rose from the dead, did they believe?
Songwriters
Bob Dylan (Robert Allen Zimmerman)
Do Talmudists believe in Jesus as the Christ, which is why they claim the promises that come through faith in the Christ?
Well, "gi" can have a "ge" sound, so that gi-u in the old English would sound a lot like "Je-u" or "Jew."
In my rather uninformed use of "Jew," I use it to refer to those who adhere to Judaism and reject Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ.
I use "Messianic Jew" to refer to those who have simply added Jesus to their Judaism, but do not accept the whole NT word of God.
Those who have a NT view of the Christ, I refer to as Christian.
Former believers in Judaism who have a clear NT understanding of Christ Jesus is rare out here.
Well, "gi" can have a "ge" sound, so that gi-u in the old English would sound a lot like "Je-u" or "Jew."
In my rather uninformed use of "Jew," I use it to refer to those who adhere to Judaism and reject Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ.
I use "Messianic Jew" to refer to those who have simply added Jesus to their Judaism, but do not accept the whole NT word of God.
Those who have a NT view of the Christ, I refer to as Christian.
Former believers in Judaism who have a clear NT understanding of Christ Jesus is rare out here.
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A believer should not speak evil of anyone who Christ shed his blood for. Have you ever read the following.
Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
1 Peter 3:10,11 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
1 Peter 3:10,11 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
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John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran!
hyp·o·crite noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran!
hyp·o·crite noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
IRAQ
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Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day
By Moni Basu, CNN
updated 4:49 AM EDT, Sat September 21, 2013
Why suicide rate among veterans may be more than 22 a day - CNN.com