What Laws are still valid to christians

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KohenMatt

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Love. Total love for your neighbor, for those that treat you with spite.
- - This, I am still working on....because I am sold into sin, but I know that I am, and the Holy Spirit convicts me of my mistakes....(which are like billboards to my conscience).
Brother, we'd all go crazy without the love of Christ Jesus. - (and the comforter He provided)
Again, very true, and I agree completely. I'm just trying to figure out what that unconditional love looks like practically.
 
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Welshman

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Of course obedience to the Torah may please god but it bt no way saves a man my friend?
 
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By obedience we please him ..
By faith we please Him.
Faith in the one He sent. - (John 8)
You can obey, then omit.
Sins of commission and omission are the same in His eyes.
They are both not listening to Him.
 
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Welshman

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There is no other name under heaven by which a man is saved other than faith in Jesus Christ? Not the Talmud the Torah the Pentateuch no other thing under heaven ? Jesus is the way to the father ? We must be in Jesus today as we are and as he is?
 

KohenMatt

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Again, I agree 100%.

I'm just talking about how we live after that fact.
 

KohenMatt

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Of course I know that. I'm talking about practically for us.
 
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Again, very true, and I agree completely. I'm just trying to figure out what that unconditional love looks like practically.
The fruits of the Holy Spirit.
- (Which are hard to show when we are trying to win a debate!:))
- - Let us work the peaceable fruit of righteousness toward each other.
- - - I know what you are saying, - when the Holy Spirit enters a person there is a most definite change.
(as absolute as 2+2=4)
 
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Of course I know that. I'm talking about practically for us.
Practically for us it looks like this.

Luke 9:23 ¶ And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
 
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They brought a woman taken in adultery, (caught in the very act); and laid her at Jesus' feet......
They said - "Good Master, the law of Moses says to stone such an one, ...WHAT SAY YOU?"
- - - (You can read the rest)
 
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Hoffco

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Rick. the problem is ,you have been told a lie, uncondional love does not save any one. Jesus on the cross save no one, when Jesus comes into your heart , you get saved. In a sense this "caling " "New birth " is free and unconditional, but on the other hand it will cost you your total conmittemt to Jesus. SO, this is what unconditionsal love looks like in your life experience: you will be totally transformed into the image of GOD in a moment. this is what happened to me, I got serious for salvation and begged God to come into me and save me, I stood us, a changed man. I feel transformed ,. no lights, no sounds ,just clean and renewed , ready to obey Jesus. You must Repent of your sins, trust in Jesus alone and obey Jesus, promise to die to self every day. pick up your cross, and follow Jesus every day. Love to all, Hoffco
 

john832

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Of course obedience to the Torah may please god but it bt no way saves a man my friend?
Neither have I ever said that obedience saves one. We are saved by grace through faith and that is not our faith, it is the faith of Christ.

The question is does obedience to His Law please Him?


1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
 

john832

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Rick. the problem is ,you have been told a lie, uncondional love does not save any one. Jesus on the cross save no one, when Jesus comes into your heart , you get saved. In a sense this "caling " "New birth " is free and unconditional, but on the other hand it will cost you your total conmittemt to Jesus. SO, this is what unconditionsal love looks like in your life experience: you will be totally transformed into the image of GOD in a moment. this is what happened to me, I got serious for salvation and begged God to come into me and save me, I stood us, a changed man. I feel transformed ,. no lights, no sounds ,just clean and renewed , ready to obey Jesus. You must Repent of your sins, trust in Jesus alone and obey Jesus, promise to die to self every day. pick up your cross, and follow Jesus every day. Love to all, Hoffco
Actually, it is His resurrection that saves us...

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1.) Justified by His blood.
2.) Reconciled by His death.
3.) Saved by His life.
 

john832

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Practically for us it looks like this.

Luke 9:23 ¶ And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Which some of us interpret to mean that we are going to do what God says instead of what we want to do. We may not understand why or how it will work out, but we have the faith to do what He says and know it will be for our good...

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
 
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Hoffco

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Mattt. are you having the sameproblem as Rick? Are you wanting salvation or are you and Rick just argueing to trip up christians in the debate? Just ,declare ,who's side are you on .,please, atan's or Jesus'?his is salvation , come clean for Jesus. Love to all, Hoffco Sorry, my PC is eating up my letters as I type. This is true salvation , following the Savior in a life of love to Him and obedience to Him.