Do you read anything I say? I did not say it was post ressurection. I said Paul said these things must come first.
don't you ever listen??
Sure do...
The context of the thing paul wrote is that the resurrection had already occurred. And these people were afraid they have missed it.
Here you plainly say that the context is that the resurrection had already occurred. Hmmm, what else does this mean? Perhaps this is a variation on English in which you state the opposite of what you mean.
This coming is to gather us together with him. Nothing here states this coming is the same as his return to set up his kingdom. At that coming, he will come on a horse, destroy the enmey, and set up his kingdom. Your assumption is that these two are the same.
as far as the falling away coming first. I said that. so again you prove you do not read.
Oh, now I see, there is more than one Second Coming!
You assume the seventh trump and the trump spoken of here are the same. You can not substantiate this biblically. And you should not assume things.
How about proving there are not the same?
Which is what I said. Dude if you going to ever get some sort of honest responses to your posting, you have to star listening to people. Otherwise your going to be seen as someone who just assumes things and goes of on wild tangents which do nothing to help you!
Hmmm, written by the guy who says the resurrection is past at the time of the Man of Sin being destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming...
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
These things happen before the abomination. Not after. They are part of the birth pangs, To show us the end is near!
II Ths 2 is pretty specific about the time frame...
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The Falling away and the revealing of the Man of Sin comes before the return of Christ.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
And when he is revealed, he is destroyed by the brightness of Christs coming. How many Second Comings are there?
It is not the flight of the church, The church
1. Did not give birth to Christ, Israel did/. Christ gave birth to the church
2. Does not reside in Jerusalem or the surrounding area (israel)
3. It is because God is protecting Israel, that Satan turns his wrath to her offspring (the church)
If you can;t get this right, How can we listen to anything else?
Well let's see...
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
What is the antecedant of her? The woman. And what does the remnant of the woman's seed do? They keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of Jesus Christ. You gonna tell me the best place to get the Testimony of Jesus Christ is on the streets of Tel Aviv? The Jews have it, not the church?
The main problem with those who say the rapture and second coming are the same is this.. If nothing else. this proves it to be wrong.
1. Coming of Christ to ressurect his church, Imminent, happen at any time, Given no signs (a thief does not give signs, he comes without warning), No one knows or can know when it will happen;.
2. Coming of Christ to set up his kingdom. Not imminent, Can not happen until things happen spoken of in the prophesies. COmes with many signs, so you know his coming is near, Everyone will know when it will happen. because of the signs given.
The main problem is your constant posting of opinion without any scriptural backing.