What Laws are still valid to christians

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Yahshua said:
Thank you. So Christ did not give a "new" commandment; the greatest commandment is an "old" commandment from the law of Moses.

So then God's laws ARE *distinct* from the covenants, right...because otherwise how can one be under the NEW covenant but still obey a law - unaltered - that originated under the OLD covenant; the very act many have been arguing is a work in "self-righteousness", saying "obeying a law from Moses automatically places oneself under the OLD covenant...even if one believes in Christ's grace in the NEW covenant"?
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You've made a very good point. It is a mischaracterization, though, to say that I teach that obedience to a commandment in the old covenant places one under the old covenant. I teach that faith and love are obedience to that old commandment, which Christ and the apostles also witnessed; and that attempting to be obedient to that same old commandment via works of law (the letter) is disobedience. You might say 'well I'm keeping the law because of my faith', or 'I keep the law in faith', but those are meaningless exercises in futility because faith itself brings one into a righteous state before GOD.
 
You must keep in mind: In Justification by Grace and by Faith, God gives us a positional righteousness in Christ,Perfect. But, in ?Sanctification by Grace and faith, God give us the new birth, the new nature, in Christ,past tense and a present experience. this gives us personal righteousness of living under God's laws of righteousness in the N.Cov... So. We are both "accepted in Christ as perfect", and make righteous "in Christ" by Christ's power, a New Creation "In christ", by Christ's power. . Our new Heart is perfect, but we can not act perfect, we still sin, because we still have the old sinful heart in us, until death. then our spirit will be made perfect, in Heaven, and then, we wait for our new perfect body at the res. day. Thank God, for Phil.1:6"...He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;" Love to all. Hoffco
 
royalscot said:
Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences.
good thing we all went to school, so we can learned. what is been said when someone writes.(never said i could write or spell lol)
good thing the holy spirit can teach us different thing, and open our eyes to what he want to say, and do.etc
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.
i am already free by the grace of jesus
however when has my quotes, been used to condemed or be miss used, to further my point of veiw. as they talk, and point to the change jesus has made about the new covent. (not royalscots change of covent)
and were quoted with bible reference.
and at no point have i judge anyone, but have challenged them regarding there quotes.

I do not know why you are feeling this way about what is said by me from me to all.
i have no idea, what your talking about, and have responded to you, regarding your quotes to posts, i have wrote. not all the post you have wrote.

and i have quoted in past posts, judge not or be judged, and forgive to be forgiven
Lesson our judgement of others,
i think i have answered that.
god bless all
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I have not judged you, sorry for some reason you apparently think I have and I tell you now as before I do not judge you or anyone, I have no right to. I do have the right to point out things I see that might get out of control, and bring flesh into the mix.
Such as you taking offense to things I posted, and you have for some reason taken it personally, which I never meant.
A man must learn to understand the motives of human beings, their illusions, and their sufferings.
Sorry for any offenses, can you please point ut to me were you thought I am accusing you, please
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You've made a very good point. It is a mischaracterization, though, to say that I teach that obedience to a commandment in the old covenant places one under the old covenant. I teach that faith and love are obedience to that old commandment, which Christ and the apostles also witnessed; and that attempting to be obedient to that same old commandment via works of law (the letter) is disobedience. You might say 'well I'm keeping the law because of my faith', or 'I keep the law in faith', but those are meaningless exercises in futility because faith itself brings one into a righteous state before GOD.
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Bottom line then it is Motive behind what one does that is key yes?
 
Hoffco said:
You must keep in mind: In Justification by Grace and by Faith, God gives us a positional righteousness in Christ,Perfect. But, in ?Sanctification by Grace and faith, God give us the new birth, the new nature, in Christ,past tense and a present experience. this gives us personal righteousness of living under God's laws of righteousness in the N.Cov... So. We are both "accepted in Christ as perfect", and make righteous "in Christ" by Christ's power, a New Creation "In christ", by Christ's power. . Our new Heart is perfect, but we can not act perfect, we still sin, because we still have the old sinful heart in us, until death. then our spirit will be made perfect, in Heaven, and then, we wait for our new perfect body at the res. day. Thank God, for Phil.1:6"...He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;" Love to all. Hoffco
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The born again Spirit is given to us as in receiving a new heart from God by the resurrected Christ. passing from death first. death to our selves first with Christ at the death of Christ, to see the resurrection from God to us right now in the Spirit not the flesh. The flesh part comes later yes.
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
 
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 
Hizikyah said:
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
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Broken record...
 
Hizikyah said:
Yet many still ignore the words of the Messiah, even when they are plainly written.
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Plainly written, huh?

The law commands circumcision. Paul called circumcision nothing and taught believers not to obey that commandment. According to your interpretation of Matthew 5:19 he will be considered among the least in the kingdom of heaven.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Plainly written, huh?

The law commands circumcision. Paul called circumcision nothing and taught believers not to obey that commandment. According to your interpretation of Matthew 5:19 he will be considered among the least in the kingdom of heaven.
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We have been through this more than once. I post a quote of Shaul and his stance on circumcision, and said I agreed.

Also you know that circumcision WAS ALWAYS supposed to be a physical sign of a Spiritual change...
 
Hizikyah said:
We have been through this more than once. I post a quote of Shaul and his stance on circumcision, and said I agreed.

Also you know that circumcision WAS ALWAYS supposed to be a physical sign of a Spiritual change...
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Physical circumcision was a law regardless of what it was a sign of or pointed to.

I don't remember you ever addressing this contradiction. Will Paul be least in the kingdom of heaven, or is your interpretation of Matthew 5:19 wrong? He taught against obedience to the letter of a commandment that was by no means a least commandment.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Physical circumcision was a law regardless of what it was a sign of or pointed to.

I don't remember you ever addressing this contradiction. Will Paul be least in the kingdom of heaven, or is your interpretation of Matthew 5:19 wrong? He taught against obedience to the letter of a commandment that was by no means a least commandment.
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one no matter my stance I cant say where Shaul will stand in the kingdom of Yahweh, it is not my kingdom I am not the judge, it would be wrong for me to do so, in either way great or not there...

Also who actually carried out the circumcisions? could it be done by anyone or just a priest?
 
All scripture is complimentary not contradictory ? Your making contradictions to justify your question and stance on the issue its not a question of Paul being least nor greatest The Lord himself only knows what roles are ahead and for whom? Arguing and dissecting scripture is futile unless the Holy Spirit shows means and context the verse is futile the lords words every letter of every word only means what it means when the spirit shines in the believers heart, and shows him hidden things , 160 pages and still same people prolonging after many have shown the true meaning, lets move on shall we?
 
Hizikyah said:
one no matter my stance I cant say where Shaul will stand in the kingdom of Yahweh, it is not my kingdom I am not the judge, it would be wrong for me to do so, in either way great or not there...

Also who actually carried out the circumcisions? could it be done by anyone or just a priest?
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That's what I've come to expect. Avoiding the question.
 
Welshman said:
All scripture is complimentary not contradictory ? Your making contradictions to justify your question and stance on the issue its not a question of Paul being least nor greatest The Lord himself only knows what roles are ahead and for whom? Arguing and dissecting scripture is futile unless the Holy Spirit shows means and context the verse is futile the lords words every letter of every word only means what it means when the spirit shines in the believers heart, and shows him hidden things , 160 pages and still same people prolonging after many have shown the true meaning, lets move on shall we?
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My question is perfectly valid. It proves that their interpretation of Matthew 5:19 can't possibly be correct, unless they are willing to assign Paul to the same status they they continually try to assign me and others here by posting that verse.
 
Also to *attempt* to put his circumcision thing to rest...

Also who actually carried out the circumcisions? could it be done by anyone or just a priest?

Yahshua was circumcised by a priest I believe? Seeing as Yahshua is our High Priest we are to be circumcised by Him. The Spiritual fact of it goes from the OT to current times, Spiritual circumcision.

*This doesent mean we dont commit murder spiritually but its ok to do it physically*
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You judge me and others continually. Why not Paul?
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quote one verse where I judged anyone. I dont thjink I have, calling a sin a sin, or a lie a lie is NOT JUDGMENT btw. If I have judged you or any i will apologize, but please dont claim calling a sin a sin judgement. I never tell people they are going to the lake of fire or never tell people they deserve this or that for what they do. 1 I am not perfect myself 2 it is not my position to make judgement, Yahweh gives all judgement to Yahshua and that sould not be transgressed. Again please point out my transgression and rebuke me for it, as if I do this it will be beneficial for me to realize and change.
 
Hizikyah said:
quote one verse where I judged anyone. I dont thjink I have, calling a sin a sin, or a lie a lie is NOT JUDGMENT btw. If I have judged you or any i will apologize, but please dont claim calling a sin a sin judgement. I never tell people they are going to the lake of fire or never tell people they deserve this or that for what they do. 1 I am not perfect myself 2 it is not my position to make judgement, Yahweh gives all judgement to Yahshua and that sould not be transgressed. Again please point out my transgression and rebuke me for it, as if I do this it will be beneficial for me to realize and change.
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You continually post your broken-record quotation of Matthew 5:19, and make veiled comments and insinuations in regard to it that people who don't view obedience as you do are headed for trouble. I'm only asking that you apply the same rule to Paul and tell us if he is in danger because he taught (teaches) to disregard a commandment of GOD.
 
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