Just wondering if there are any Jehovahs Witnesses here?

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Kia123

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I know a lot about the beliefs of JW's but i have a couple questions.
 
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Bryancampbell

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Hmmm there was some, I think they are either banned or stopped coming on, this is a Christian site lol
 
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Ugly

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Yeah, few come, and the few that do don't last as they get tired of not being accepted as Christians and labeled as a cult. That being said there may be some i don't know about, so i suppose it is still possible. But i've seen very few even join over the years.
 
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Kia123

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Oh ok so they are not classified as Christians ?
 
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Ugly

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No ma'am. They try to call themselves Christians, but apparently their core doctrines sway too far from the real foundations of Christianity.
 
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Kia123

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Um im gonna sound like a gumbie ( aussie term for like silly) but what are those core things.
i know the no hell belief.
and the no trinity.
 
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Ugly

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Well, it's been a while since i've looked into their beliefs, so i'm not able to speak to what they believe. But typically one falls into cult states when they remove the Deity of Jesus. The need for the cross. Which, as you can see, connect directly to the things you stated. What need is there for Jesus death if there is no hell to save us from? And what good is Jesus death if he has no divine nature and is just a man? I'm sure there are others on here that can give a more accurate account of the wrong teachings they have. Probably during the day hahaha.

(By the way, can i call you Gumbie from now on? =D haha )
 
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Kia123

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The Jehovahs witnesses i know do believe that Jesus has powers, its just that he is not almighty.
i myself have trouble believing in hell, i dont understand how a loving God could do that? its just a question btw
i have been raised mostly as a Jehovahs Witness btw just so its all open and clear ( gets blocked and banned) haha but im not a baptised or anything :p (i might get hate mail for that)

Haha if gumbie is what i shall be known us my heart shall rejoice :p
 
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Bryancampbell

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Ugly is right. If there is no hell, it defeats the entire purpose of the cross and Jesus' mission. And as just a man, everything in the bible would be false. The JW belief is like a house built on thin air, it can't even start with a proper foundation.
 
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Ugly

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Satan has powers. So they have reduced the founding figure of the faith to a lesser being.

Well, the key to hell is that hell was Not created for mankind to begin with. Hell was designed for the punishment of the angels that chose to follow Lucifer the rebellion in heaven. But do to the sinful nature of man, it required something special to be able to spare us from this fate. Which is where the crucifixion and resurrection come in. But God is not one to force this gift so He makes it available to all, and people who accept it freely begin to show fruits of their new life, new self as evidence. So God has provided a way out, a choice. But it is people that choose to reject it, and by making that choice, they themselves make the choice to send themselves to hell, in a manner of speaking.

You won't have any trouble with bans long as you don't antagonize, or push an agenda and follow the rules of the site. People of other faiths, or no faith, Are welcome here. The reason so few last is they come with the intention to change peoples views. Or to constantly push views not commonly accepted (perhaps by giving advice to someone that counters the bible, and doing this repeatedly).

I don't know if you mean baptised as a JW or Christian? In Christian baptism it is not needed for salvation. Rather it is a public expressions of your faith and a symbol of your rebirth.

Then let your heart rejoice!
 
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Kia123

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Ok just to be clear here, i will use bible gateway cos the only scriptures i know are the ones from the jw bible:p
Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. doesnt mention anythin about firery torment.

and then there is a scripture somewhere in Ecclesiastes mentioning the dead are conscious on nothing
 
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Kia123

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Ugly said:
Satan has powers. So they have reduced the founding figure of the faith to a lesser being.

Well, the key to hell is that hell was Not created for mankind to begin with. Hell was designed for the punishment of the angels that chose to follow Lucifer the rebellion in heaven. But do to the sinful nature of man, it required something special to be able to spare us from this fate. Which is where the crucifixion and resurrection come in. But God is not one to force this gift so He makes it available to all, and people who accept it freely begin to show fruits of their new life, new self as evidence. So God has provided a way out, a choice. But it is people that choose to reject it, and by making that choice, they themselves make the choice to send themselves to hell, in a manner of speaking.

You won't have any trouble with bans long as you don't antagonize, or push an agenda and follow the rules of the site. People of other faiths, or no faith, Are welcome here. The reason so few last is they come with the intention to change peoples views. Or to constantly push views not commonly accepted (perhaps by giving advice to someone that counters the bible, and doing this repeatedly).

I don't know if you mean baptised as a JW or Christian? In Christian baptism it is not needed for salvation. Rather it is a public expressions of your faith and a symbol of your rebirth.

Then let your heart rejoice!
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atm im not baptised as anything. i dont believe imready to make such a strong promise and oath
 
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Bryancampbell

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Kia123 said:
Ok just to be clear here, i will use bible gateway cos the only scriptures i know are the ones from the jw bible:p
Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. doesnt mention anythin about firery torment.

and then there is a scripture somewhere in Ecclesiastes mentioning the dead are conscious on nothing
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Actually in that verse a soul means person. Like "pray for the souls of that army". It means person. A person that sin shall die.

Ecc. Is actually referring to something completely different. The context explain itself, unless you don't understand Kia lol.
 
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Ugly

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atm im not baptised as anything. i dont believe imready to make such a strong promise and oath
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I think that's a wise decision. No hate mail from me about it. :cool:
 
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Kia123

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Bryancampbell said:
Actually in that verse a soul means person. Like "pray for the souls of that army". It means person. A person that sin shall die.

Ecc. Is actually referring to something completely different. The context explain itself, unless you don't understand Kia lol.
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hha kick a girl when shes down:p

Ok but what how long should you be punshed for for sinning?
so people who are young and sinners like 16 year old partying, then a car accident happens they all die. do they deserve the same as serious rapists and killers. ?
 
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Bryancampbell

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Kia123 said:
hha kick a girl when shes down:p

Ok but what how long should you be punshed for for sinning?
so people who are young and sinners like 16 year old partying, then a car accident happens they all die. do they deserve the same as serious rapists and killers. ?
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I'll help that girl back up with a gambie hand, wait what does that mean again lol :p

Well, if a person has never accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, being saved, the end doesn't look bright. But I cannot judge her place in the end since I'm not the Judge lol. Hell is eternal. That's why Jesus came, so that He be the escape for that. Serious stuff.

:)
 
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Kia123

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haha GUMBIE, we are going to have to fix your spelling of aussie slang mate :p

so do aborted babies go to hell?
again making sure that i dont come across think, im just trying to understand.
 
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Bryancampbell

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haha GUMBIE, we are going to have to fix your spelling of aussie slang mate :p

so do aborted babies go to hell?
again making sure that i dont come across think, im just trying to understand.
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Actually babies are born pure, and children who die have a place in heaven. Once a person understands God and everything. Then they are accountable. Children don't, they are too young to understand.
 
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Kia123

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i had a friend say that we are judged by the light we receive, moments before telling me that im going to burn in hell. Im still great friends with this girl actually lol. But then whats the point in teaching about God because if no one knows then no one is accountable ?
 
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Ugly

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Kia123 said:
hha kick a girl when shes down:p

Ok but what how long should you be punshed for for sinning?
so people who are young and sinners like 16 year old partying, then a car accident happens they all die. do they deserve the same as serious rapists and killers. ?
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Yes. Why? Because sin is sin. You are viewing the concept from a 'works based' type of thinking. But the bible teaches us that God views our good works as filthy rags. What that means is, any good that we try to do on our own, apart from God, are meaningless. And it only takes one sin. If you sin one time in your life, or a million, bottom line is you have brought sin upon yourself. And sin is so powerful it requires blood to wash it away. This is the reason Jesus came, because of his divine nature, his blood was the only blood powerful enough to erase sin once and for all. All other blood merely washed away sin for a short time. So that is how powerful sin is. One sin is so strong it takes the blood of the sin-free God in human forms blood to cleanse you from it. So from that perspective you can see why it is an equal punishment. Because it's a black and white view. Have you sinned, yes or no? If the answer is yes (and it is) then that's all it takes.
 
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