What Laws are still valid to christians

[Linda70]

LEGALISM

WHAT IT IS

The term "legalism" or "legalist" is not found in the Bible, but the serious error of legalism is certainly dealt with, especially by the Apostle Paul who ever and always boasted in the cross and championed the grace of God (Gal. 6:14; 1:6). Perhaps the best way to see what Paul had to say about how the flesh wrongly uses the law is to read carefully through the epistle to the Galatians.

Legalism and Justification

It is the deadly error of legalism that teaches that justification or salvation is by the works of the law. The legalists of Judaea said it this way, "Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved" (Acts 15:1). Paul clearly confronted this error in Galatians 2:16--"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

The law can show us how unjust we are (Rom. 3:20b) and thus it can show us our need for justification, but the law can never justify: "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight" (Rom. 3:20). "If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain" (Gal. 2:21).

Legalism and Sanctification

The law cannot justify; neither can it sanctify. The law can show us that we are unholy but it can never make us holy. The key to living the Christian life is not found at Mount Sinai, but it is found at Mount Calvary (Romans 6; Gal. 2:20).

Paul argued strongly that the Christian life must be continued on the basis of faith, not on a legal basis: "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal. 3:2-3). The Christian life is to continue just as it commenced! "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him" (Colossians 2:6).

Holiness does not come by seeking to keep the law in the energy of the flesh. C.H.Mackintosh defined legality as "the flesh attempting to carry out the precepts of God." How successful is the flesh? "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not" (Rom. 7:18 and see verse 24).

The Believer and the Law

Two key facts must be kept in mind. First, the believer is not under the law (Rom. 6:14). In fact the believer has died to the law that he might live unto God (Gal. 2:19; and see Rom. 7:1-6). He is not under the legal rule, but he is under the new creature rule (Gal. 6:15).

Second, the believer is not lawless (Rom. 6:1-2). We died to the law so that we might be married to Christ and out of this relationship we bring forth fruit unto God (Rom. 7:4). The life of a true believer should manifest fruitfulness not lawlessness.

Those legalists who try to put themselves under the law do not keep the law (Gal. 6:13; Acts 15:10), but those believers who walk in the Spirit keep the law by way of the fruit of the Spirit: "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Romans 8:4 and compare Galatians 5:22-23).


LEGALISM

 

[Welshman]

Ref elins post there are three persons in god? Really? Three people in god? Is god a schizophrenic? You misunderstand elin? God the father is an individual the son also being god?, is an individual? But I and the father are one? The Holy Spirit is a piece or part of god its his power bt the Holy Spirit isn't part of a triune god? God is not three in one? He is father of all? The son wasnt always gods son. He was the word first? He was begotten by the father but not always his son? Mathew 3 v 16/17 this is the first time he was called gods son? Also elin you seem adamant that when you recieve an answer you then seem to get into another debate on words? Not major not minor ? You vacillate all the time even when truthful facts are placed in front of you its time to read the replies not just give a page of verses in rapid response? Take time to think ponder a while you seem set on digressing when you dnt like whats presented... James 3 v1

 

[Welshman]

At the beginning of the Bible is the account of the creation of Adam and Eve. All human beings are their descendants. We are, by natural descent, their great, extended family. Adam was, according to his natural parentage, a son of God (Luke 3:38
). Therefore, in our natural descent, we are all the children of God. He is our Father by physical creation.
Creating immortal children
But God's purpose is far greater than the creation of corruptible and perishable human beings. God is in the process of creating His own spiritual children who will be incorruptible-children with eternal life who have His divine nature or character.
He refers to this new creation in terms of "the old man," in contrast with "the new man," who is "renewed in the spirit of [his] mind" and is "created according to God in true righteousness and holiness" (Ephesians 4:20-24










).
The apostle Paul defined the new creation as a spiritual transformation, at first a change only in a person's nature and character, followed by a change into a literal spiritual being with eternal life. The Bible refers to this process as salvation.
The Bible refers to those who are receiving salvation as the "sons of God" in a sense that goes beyond our descendancy from our first two human parents. God is accomplishing a marvelous spiritual transformation in the lives of His followers through His Holy Spirit.
Paul explained that "the Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God, and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together" (Romans 8:16
, 17).
Do you grasp the enormous significance of Paul's statement? It explains why we are here, the very reason for our existence, why we were born. It gives meaning to life itself. It explains why God wants all human beings to come to the knowledge of the truth. God is creating a family, His Own family. We have the priceless opportunity to be a part of that family.
That family relationship-our becoming children of God the Father-is the heart and core of God's great plan for humanity. Notice how Paul expresses it: "In bringing many sons to glory [salvation], it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. Both the one who makes men holy [Christ] and those who are made holy [converted human beings] are of the same family" (Hebrews 2:10
, 11, New International Version).
That's right!
That truly converted Christians are all of the same Father makes them members of the same family: God's family! Paul continues: "So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. He says, 'I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.' And again, 'I will put my trust in him.' And again he says, 'Here am I, and the children God has given me'" (verses 11-13, NIV).
Notice that Jesus is not ashamed to regard converted members of His church as His own brothers (or sisters). That is how close and personal this family relationship is.
Humans created to be like God
From the beginning of the Bible, this is the clearly stated purpose of God. "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.' So God created man in His own image ..." (Genesis 1:26
, 27).
Both men and women are created to be like God. The Bible often speaks of physical children as "sons" because that was the custom at the time the Bible was written, and has been in many languages, including English, over the centuries. In the Hebrew and Greek languages, in which the Bible was written, "sons" was used to mean "descendants." When used in this sense, the Hebrew and Greek words for "sons" refer to male and female descendants alike. Today, we use the words mankind and brethren in a similar sense.
God makes it clear that His family includes people who are now physical men and women, both sons and daughters. "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:26-28






).
Also, "I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty" (2 Corinthians 6:18
). Men and women are God's children.
Now to the point of Genesis 1:26
, 27, which tells us we are made in God's image and likeness. At the first mention of human beings in the Bible, God declares His intent to make us like Him. But to what extent are we made like Him?
God's purpose is to make us fully like Jesus Christ! In Ephesians, Paul makes this clear. He explains that God established a ministry to serve the church. That ministry is to work with those in the church, until, he says in verse 13, "we all come to . . . the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ."
Paul's statement in Galatians 4:19
, "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," expresses the same concept in different words. Do you grasp the significance of Paul's statement? We are to become fully and completely like Jesus Christ. His character is to be formed in us. As Jesus is God's Son, we will also be God's sons.
The apostle John is explicit: "Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is" (1 John 3:1-3






).
Resurrected to glorified state
Human beings who are inducted into the family that God is creating will be given the glorious honor to be like the resurrected Jesus Christ, who today reigns in His glorified state at the right hand of God in heaven. The awesome potential of any human being as it is presented to us by Christ and His apostles seems so incredible that most people find it difficult to grasp when they first read it. But it is plainly stated in the Bible, even though people read right over it. In fact, it is the whole purpose for salvation. It is the reason God made mankind. It is why we were born.
In Psalm 82:6
, we read: "I said, 'You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High.'" That is how God wants us human beings to relate to Him: as children of the Most High. It is truly an awesome family relationship-God's own personal family! Jesus quoted the preceding verse from Psalm 82 to show the Jews that He was not blaspheming God by claiming to be God's Son (see John 10:34
).
Even the promises made to ancient Israel pertained to God's intention to eventually bring His people into a family relationship with Him. The apostle Paul said: "For I could wish that I myself


were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises" (Romans 9:3
, 4).
Of a humbled remnant of Israel in the future, God gives this prophecy: "But now, this is what the LORD says-he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: 'Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine . . . Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, "Give them up!" and to the south, "Do not hold them back." Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth-everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made'" (Isaiah 43:1
, 5-7 NIV).
God has always kept His purpose, of making human beings His children, as the guiding principle of how He deals with human beings. He gave us His laws to teach us how to treat one another in a godly manner-the same way Christ treated people. God has always offered forgiveness to anyone who would repent of sin, which is the transgression of His laws. God shows no partiality (Romans 2:11
). He says plainly that Christ came so the whole world-all people-can be saved (John 3:16
, 17).

 

[Welshman]

We are in danger of viewing god like ourselves ? Limited patience, limited knowledge, conditional love, god is nothing like us in our present form?, god is so vast so merciful so patient, there are a 100 million stars in our galaxy alone and there are billions of galaxies but in our own over a hundred million and he commandeth every single one?, in its place, he knows the amount of every hair on your head? This I's knowledge people way more than we know about ourselves? God the word itself? Is a family name like smith or jones? Its a family that only consisted of two personages before? The father and the word? Bt in gods almighty plan there will be millions if not billions in gods family soon ? We are in a sense part of that family now but as yet not inheritors of the fullness of the divine part yet?, ( future) bt as of now ( flesh) we are being born daily unto spiritual life by his spirit conforming our fleshly parts unto obedience to his word? Even if we die we will only sleep not perish, only to awake when he calls to be fully clothed in new body( spirit) this would take pages to describe fully but its got to be natural before spiritual ? Because of sin? Sin is in the flesh bt no sin is in the spirit hence god always acts with duality ?

 

[Welshman]

Focusing on perfect doctrine, debating nature of words, hermeneutics ? And endless striving for perfect insight into all of gods verses, noble it maybe bt not much room for the love of Christ that's poured into our hearts so as to spread far and wide? , not enough here on display and the usual s keep the thread endlessly in debate? Lets get real today, Jesus is the goal? His spirit living inside our bodies?, is the goal ? Humility and a contrite heart?, is the goal? Perfect understanding will not come through legalistic approach and endeavour bt by childlike obedience to our lord ?, he never ever looked for perfect people to work through and with? Never? The Lord rides the hearts motives and intents he alone? We look through a veil so to speak not blindly bt shaded bt faith will give way to sight soon ?....

 

[Drett]

Focusing on perfect doctrine, debating nature of words, hermeneutics ? And endless striving for perfect insight into all of gods verses, noble it maybe bt not much room for the love of Christ that's poured into our hearts so as to spread far and wide? , not enough here on display and the usual s keep the thread endlessly in debate? Lets get real today, Jesus is the goal? His spirit living inside our bodies?, is the goal ? Humility and a contrite heart?, is the goal? Perfect understanding will not come through legalistic approach and endeavour bt by childlike obedience to our lord ?, he never ever looked for perfect people to work through and with? Never? The Lord rides the hearts motives and intents he alone? We look through a veil so to speak not blindly bt shaded bt faith will give way to sight soon ?....

If you have a viewpoint you should use scripture to reinforce what you state.

Jesus told us to learn the law and follow it. (do as they day)

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them

This just before he ascended to heaven.

Before he left he entrusted Peter with the church. Peter who also followed the law.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If you have a viewpoint you should use scripture to reinforce what you state.

Jesus told us to learn the law and follow it. (do as they day)

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them

This just before he ascended to heaven.

Before he left he entrusted Peter with the church. Peter who also followed the law.

More accurately: This just before he mediated the new covenant which displaced the old covenant and its law.

Peter certainly followed custom, but to say that Peter followed the law is wishful thinking and pure speculation. Peter is actually the one who, being saved, said that following law was not GOD's will (for if was GOD's will, he would not have called teaching to keep the law of Moses 'putting GOD to the test'):

So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke [of the law of Moses] that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.” Acts 15:10-11​

And in Acts 15, the head of the church communicated that teachings to follow the law were not of Christ:

Because we have heard that some have gone out from among us—to whom we gave no orders—and have thrown you into confusion by words upsetting your minds [by saying you must keep the law of Moses], Acts 15:24​

 

[Hoffco]

To Welshman, you have said a lot of good things concerning our Spiritual birth ;But, you need to study the Trinity more . It is very clearly taught in the N.T. and clearly alluded to in the O.T..You are onthe right track about the image of God . We are renewed in the image of God, which is True knowledge of God, true heart righteousness and true holiness of life. First and second John are very rough on cults like J.W.'s who deny the trinty. We Christians are exhorted to be ONE as The Father and the SON are one, (ONE in essence but separate in person.) n Only a "DECEIVED " or Mentally handicapt person could read the N.T. and miss the three persons of the Godhead. Sorry, BUT the Trinity separates Christians from none christians, . I ave talked to some J.W.'s who, like you have a good view on salvation, but they lose out (in my thinking) because the deny the Trinty. I hope God gives you an opportunity to repent after death, ???? Love to all , Hoffco
To Linda70, your definition od legalist is more like anti law than legalism. Legalism is man -made rules, forced upon others; you definition is more liscense to sin, not being under the Law of God. We are under the moral laws of God this is our rule for sanctification, plus the Godly principles of liberty in Christ, and giving our life as a living sacrifice to God, and serving one another according to the laws of love which are the letter and spirit of the moral law. Love to all, Hoffco The law of God is holy righteous and good for us, and are our rules for godly living. LOVE obeys Christ's laws,( the N.T. laws.)

 

[Welshman]

I've been here since the start of thread friend I've quoted endless scripture and no need to worry about that on my behalf friend bt 170 pages later your still trying to put me under a yoke of law? Stop now before another 170 pages are wasted trying to attain that aim? I'm free in his grace I know what that entails il never get there by striving and earning il never get thier at all not on a million years my verse to you is James ch 3 v1 take note it applies to you as well my friend? Il repeat it again Jesus is my friend as well as my lord? I cnt deny he a better friend to me than I am to him bt he keeps me in his strentgh when I am weak? And lets me walk when I'm strong?, bt law and trying to obey it I'm way past following law as a means of obtaining mercy from our lord? His mercy endures forever even to me today real time? Love fulfills the law not out of fear and compunction but out of realisation that Jesus really did die a horrid death because he loves us?and when one knows The Lord sin is limited not destroyed in the individual bt its power is curbed because the believer knows all sin past present and future. Cost god his sons life at the hands of men knowledge of these truths helps the believer know god is real he is true and he knows we are his not perfect yet bt daily growing unto the fullness of man ?, which is Jesus? The perfect man the perfect lord the perfect teacher?, mercy he desires not sacrifice ?

 

[Welshman]

Last post frm hrfd? Spot on that's exactly what Peter said implied, meant, for all listeners , those seeking Christ via the law are adamant we too abide in the same way, even tho Jesus himself has told us no man and that includes us today Jew gentile Greek no man can cme to the father bt by him? Through him? How are we gna do what he asks if we cnt even believe wat he says? No man? You seem think that all under grace are wilfully sinning using grace as a pass to iniquity? Christians struggle with sins lets face it all the fatherless kids out there the abused the violated you think when Jesus gathers one of these there struges are over? Sometimes takes decades for gods love to penetrate the heart that never knew love, the mind scarred by rape, Jesus dnt love like we do, he knows no other way he in himself is the embodiment of what love is, not the idea of love we hold? No Jesus so much bigger than a mans hatred or murder, his love endures past death itself, il not shrink his size in all things to suit some, never I was free the day truth came I'm free today far frm a brilliant Christian and like Paul I would confess there ain't bn no bigger sinner than me til Jesus entered the movie? In five mins flat all questions were answered in my mind there was no reply from me just amazement I'm still amazed at what he has dne for us and does still do daily on our behalf dnt confine Jesus to the law cos you'll miss the greatest journey going..

 

[Welshman]

My viewpoint to whoever asked is clear, you keep your way il keep mine 1000 pages of debate will not alter that great gulf between your approach and mine? Good luck???

 

[Welshman]

The constant focus on the law stops us seeing Christ actively in our rich and varied planet, I see Christ as author and finisher of his-story. When we can see ourselves in him everything changes I mean everything ? Knowledge , theology, history,thoughts of time and space , love, awareness of evil as a real force , Jesus as the word , then as a man then as Christ, and son of the father, family, our actions and deeds? All change? Past present and future all changed when truth comes ? Love fulfills the law? Love injures no one? Its also a gift? If we as flesh love our own kids well guess how much gods love is for us? Our minds cannot grasp the scope of this ? If you dnt know gods grace in ur life I doubt very much you'll get this post? But those who are in grace I'm sure will agree ....

 

[Elin]

Yes, and the Holy Spirit is God, just as the Son is God.
That is why his people are the NT Temple.

There are several indwellings in the NT:

the Holy Spirit in believers,
the Son in believers (Jn 17:23),
the Father in the Son (Jn 17:21, 23).
The Father is in the Son, who in turn is in us.

But the father, the one true GOD, is neither the son, nor the holy spirit. He has his own abode that is not on earth, nor was it on earth during the old covenant. Jesus said he was going away to his father's house, which means it's not on earth.

In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places; but if not, I would have told you, because I am going away to prepare a place for you [in my father's house]. John 14:2.

You have not dealt with these Scriptures .

I'm not the type of person who jumps through hoops ...

Are these the kinds of hoops you do not jump through:

Is the Holy Spirit God as the Father is God?

Is the Son God as the Father is God?

That's either a "yes" or "no" answer.

Those questions are distractions that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

And that's a "yes."

For those questions are a distraction only if your answer is "no."

And the source of our disagreement is now revealed.

 

[Elin]

I have no issue with where He is seated. I'm content to take Scripture for what it says and
see the actual layout when I see Him in person .

The point is that Christ did sit down; He rested from His work, something that earthly priest were never permitted to do.

We are agreed on the point and I, too, am content with not being able to know the layout until I see him in person.

Confusion in such details inevitably leads in time to wrong theology.

So does endless parsing and a need to get in the last word.

A logical progression of that sequence would be beneficial.

No need; one can simply read through the last few pages of this thread.

Can't find any wrong theology resulting from such in the last few pages of this thread.

And Christ did both.

An entire New Covenant had to be put in place, as Christ Jesus was made High Priest by an oath from God, and Christ is not of the Tribe of Levi, but of the Tribe of Judah.

What does that mean? Jesus cannot legally administer the Old Covenant.

The NT actually presents it differently.

1) "An entire New Covenant had to be put in place" due to God's promise of a New Covenant
(Jer 1:31-34),
because the people broke the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant (Jer 11:10), not because Jesus was made High Priest of a new order and could not administer the Old Covenant.

Scripture never states that covenants are "administered," they are "mediated."
There is a big difference.

In mediation, the mediator represents the people, as Moses did to God.
In administration, the administrator is over the people and governs the people, as the High Priest
did in administering the sacrifices and cleansings, declaring who was clean and unclean, etc.

The old covenant was only "mediated" by Moses, its mediator.
The law was only "administered" by the priesthood, its administrator.

2) Jesus was made eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek because of the promise of God
in Ps 110:4, not because of the New Covenant.

3) God's fulfillment of Ps 110:4 replaced the Aaronic priesthood, which made
necessary a change of the law (Heb 7:12) because it was based on the Aaronic priesthood (Heb 7:11),
and the setting aside of the law (Heb 7:18-19) rendered the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant obsolete
(Heb 8:13) because it was based on the law.

The NT does not present Jesus as unable to administer the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant.

And because the Work of Christ was finished for all time with His own perfect Sacrifice, His 'administrative' duties were short-lived; He sat down. There is no more sacrifice for sins. No need for further administering in the New Covenant - the Priestly duties are complete.

Okay, this is where the confusion lies.

As High Priest, Christ administered his lawful sacrifice.
That was a function of the law, which was administered by the office of High Priest.

As Mediator, Christ mediated the New Covenant.
That is a function of his office of Mediator.

Christ holds several offices- Mediator, Prophet, Priest, King and Lawgiver.
Each office has different functions.

Mediator - to represent the people before God.
Prophet - to proclaim the word of God.
Priest - to administer the law and sacrifice.
King - to rule over the kingdom
Lawgiver - to give the laws of the kingdom.

You are confusing the functions of Christ's different offices.
High Priest - administer the law
Mediator - mediate the Covenent

He does not "mediate" the law, nor "administer" the covenant.

 

[Elin]

Ref elins post there are three persons in god? Really? Three people in god? Is god a schizophrenic? You misunderstand elin? God the father is an individual the son also being god?, is an individual? But I and the father are one? The Holy Spirit is a piece or part of god its his power bt the Holy Spirit isn't part of a triune god? God is not three in one? He is father of all? The son wasnt always gods son. He was the word first? He was begotten by the father but not always his son? Mathew 3 v 16/17 this is the first time he was called gods son? Also elin you seem adamant that when you recieve an answer you then seem to get into another debate on words? Not major not minor ? You vacillate all the time even when truthful facts are placed in front of you its time to read the replies not just give a page of verses in rapid response? Take time to think ponder a while you seem set on digressing when you dnt like whats presented... James 3 v1

You have me confused with someone else.

However, that is what I am going to do regarding three divine persons in one supreme being, God.

The NT states that Jesus is God:

1) Jesus is the YHWH of Isa 40:3 per Mt 3:3; Mk1:7-8; Lk 3:16; Jn 1:29-34.

2) Jesus is the YHWH of Joel 2:32 per Ro 10:9, 13-16.

3) Jesus is the YHWH of Dt 32:43 per Heb 1:6.

4) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Zechariah per Lk 1:67-68, 76.

5) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Elizabeth per Lk 1:41-43.

6) Jesus is the LORD GOD (YHWH) of Ps 68:18 per Eph 4:8-9.

7) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Zec 12:8-10 per Jn 19:37.

8) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH) of Isa 61:8 per Lk 4:18-21.

9) Jesus is the LORD (YHWH), the First and Last of Isa 44:6, 48:12 per Rev 1:12-18.

10) Jesus is the Lord God, the Alpha and the Omega of Rev 21:6-7 per Rev 22:13-16.

11) Jesus is God on the throne of Rev 21:5, 7 per Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39; Rev 20:11-13.

12) Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Gen 1:1; Isa 44:24; and Jer 10:16 per Jn 1:3, 10;
Col 1:16-17; Heb 1:2, 10.


The NT states that the Holy Spirit is both a person and God:

1) Jesus, whom the NT shows to be God (above), said the Holy Spirit proceeded from
(came forth from, out of) God just as he did per Jn 15:26.

2) Jesus, who is God, said the Holy Spirit was another Comforter like himself (God) per Jn 14:16-17,
25-26, 15:26, 16:7.

3) The NT refers to the Holy Spirit with
personal pronouns (he),
personal titles (Comforter) and
personal functions (intelligence, will, speaking, deciding, forbidding, testifying, searching into secrets,
showing the future, sending out missionaries, interceding),
because he is a person.

Jesus presents the Triune God:

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Mt 28:19)

The NT presents Father, Son and Holy Spirit at the baptism of Jesus.

"At that moment heaven was opened, and Jesus saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." (Father speaking.)

Scripture presents three separate persons in the one supreme being, God.

You've got some reckoning to do with the revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), through the writers of the NT, in which light all Scripture is to be understood.

Get back to me with your reconciliation of the above Scriptures to your post quoted above.

 

[Welshman]

You see it just goes on n on n on? Now we are seperating Christ into many offices and parts just to highlight the law? When will it stop? Christ is in all he made all he wil renew all he is the alpha and omega no parts Jesus is the whole? Nothing else needed nor shall there be ? Take time to learn anew rather doggin so deep you cnt escape friend

 

[Elin]

At the beginning of the Bible is the account of the creation of Adam and Eve. All human beings are their descendants. We are, by natural descent, their great, extended family. Adam was, according to his natural parentage, a son of God (Luke 3:38

Adam was created with Holy Spirit life which is the meaning of creatures that are sons of God.

Adam was not begotten, and did not have a divine nature.

Adam lost his Holy Spirit life (which is the meaning of spiritually dead) when he rebelled against God.
He was no longer a child of God by creation, but upon repentance, was a child of God by faith in the
Promise, Christ Jesus. (Ge 3:15).

The understanding you present above is totally contra-Biblical, not being understood in the light of the revelation of the Son (Heb 1:1-2) given through the NT writers.

 

[Elin]

You see it just goes on n on n on? Now we are seperating Christ into many offices and parts just to highlight the law? When will it stop? Christ is in all he made all he wil renew all he is the alpha and omega no parts Jesus is the whole? Nothing else needed nor shall there be ? Take time to learn anew rather doggin so deep you cnt escape friend

Sounds a whole lot like minimizing God's truth in his NT word written.

If it weren't important to know and understand, he would not have given it to us.

 

[Welshman]

Get a grip man you believe what you want bt its utter nonsense to me?

 

[Welshman]

Told you I wnt argue anymore tis futile? Now unless I add you to ignore list as I'm interested in different views , bt your many posts make it clear were you coming from? Bt not with me friend