Christian Women Please Dress More Modestly
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We are supposed to be separate from the world...a set apart people. How are you gonna be set apart if you look and act just like the world. I've seen Christian women be such a distraction with their clothing that it hinders other women in service because they're so worried their husband is getting an eye full of another woman's thigh or breast.. sitting in the house of God. That is immodest. Sometimes you do things to keep from being a stumbling block to other Christians... to at least we should be considerate of that.
It is true to say this Christian lady is displaying a moral perspective on clothing. I haven't even saw the video, nonetheless, it's quite predictable it will concern morality. Christians are likely to regular use 'sin' in at least one of their sentences within any given statement. Why, well because the original gospel is very limited in a modern world; the church no longer is the authority it once was, it could be said too that Christianity has massively changed too. What we have left is a moral gospel. On the other hand, whether moral or not, if women dress in church like 'the world', what makes Christian women any different than the other.
Here is the definition of skank (noun), or skankily (adjective). "Derogatory term for a (usually younger) female, implying trashiness or tackiness, lower-class status, poor hygiene, flakiness, and a scrawny, pockmarked sort of ugliness. May also imply promiscuity...." I would rather an apparent Christian would not use derogatory terms for Christian females especially the young generation. I would rather a person showed loved than being smartly dressed for church.
E
Why do we need to be different?
You guys talk about Christian women portraying themselves in a way that is not 'worldly' as if unbelievers are afflicted with some kind of degeneracy that makes them by default self-degrading and without dignity. I can tell you that as someone that is heavily associated with people of many backgrounds there are people who do not share my belief system who are absolutely convinced of a moral standard and social paradigm beyond anything that I've seen within the Christian community; likewise I have seen many unbelievers and Christians placing themselves sub-par to anything being discussed here.
I say this because it's not fair to give the unsaved folk their own category of disgust when there is absolutely no anthropological evidence that Christians are more likely to do good than an Atheist or Buddhist. In fact, the only things statistics point to is that Christians are more likely to impose their beliefs onto someone and that Christians are more likely to 'outlaw' topics or hypes due to their agenda of what is and isn't acceptable.
You're welcome to disagree with everything that I've just said. So you don't need to quote and reply; I already accept your disagreement as a valid opinion and answer. I however refuse to treat myself as something greater, or higher than an unbeliever because they are just as reconciled to God than I am. If someone, whether an unbeliever or Christian, is doing wrong I will treat both of them with the same love— they are reconciled to God and only acting out of a reality that is contrary to the work done at the cross.
You guys talk about Christian women portraying themselves in a way that is not 'worldly' as if unbelievers are afflicted with some kind of degeneracy that makes them by default self-degrading and without dignity. I can tell you that as someone that is heavily associated with people of many backgrounds there are people who do not share my belief system who are absolutely convinced of a moral standard and social paradigm beyond anything that I've seen within the Christian community; likewise I have seen many unbelievers and Christians placing themselves sub-par to anything being discussed here.
I say this because it's not fair to give the unsaved folk their own category of disgust when there is absolutely no anthropological evidence that Christians are more likely to do good than an Atheist or Buddhist. In fact, the only things statistics point to is that Christians are more likely to impose their beliefs onto someone and that Christians are more likely to 'outlaw' topics or hypes due to their agenda of what is and isn't acceptable.
You're welcome to disagree with everything that I've just said. So you don't need to quote and reply; I already accept your disagreement as a valid opinion and answer. I however refuse to treat myself as something greater, or higher than an unbeliever because they are just as reconciled to God than I am. If someone, whether an unbeliever or Christian, is doing wrong I will treat both of them with the same love— they are reconciled to God and only acting out of a reality that is contrary to the work done at the cross.
Just don't say it to the person or to another about the person not dressed modestly and you'll be fine. 
This is a place where we should be able to openly state something and have others see that it means a great deal to us...and then bring their opinion to the mix. I'd be more worried if you said, "I told that Betty, 'Why do you dress so skankily?'" Then, intervention would be needed, I think.
This is a place where we should be able to openly state something and have others see that it means a great deal to us...and then bring their opinion to the mix. I'd be more worried if you said, "I told that Betty, 'Why do you dress so skankily?'" Then, intervention would be needed, I think.
E
At least I know what standard the average Christian is judging the girls (and me) by now. I know my acceptance and love is not dependent on someone else's opinion; I'm already accepted. They don't know they can't be rejected. The next time I go to church, despite my not being able to read minds, I'll keep an ear out for any fourteen year old girls being called SKANKS and be sure to go to them after and let them know how much Christ loves them and all the plans that He has for their precious, precious, precious lives.
E
I think it's easy to read the Bible, then switch on the news and watch a bit of doom and gloom coming to the conclusions about how messed up the world we are... But I have to say, in my honest opinion, there really isn't much difference. There really isn't. Christians are more likely to dislike things like Harry Potter and Pokemon, and they'll generally swear less. But that's about it — I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm really not. I spend a lot of time with a lot of people, I'm completely open to being wrong and I am very aware of what the Bible says. I'm just saying... this doesn't appear to be the case. There just isn't a fine line. I could just be assessing it wrong, but either way I'm still going to look at people by their eternal value and potential.
E
I completely agree with you. However the definition of "following God's word" and exegesis is so completely and entirely subject to each person's opinion that every person would have a different idea of what it means to "follow God's word" — which is why we have so many denominations, and people branching off beneath the denominations.
Every person thinks their exegesis is right, and I refuse to become that. This is what I call the final stumbling block with the rational approach to Biblical living and exactly why we need the Holy Spirit. We cannot achieve this in our physical and carnal minds. (Keeping in mind I expect nothing celestial out of this website. This is just a place for people to ramble and it's all anyone uses it for. Arguments and division, or as I like to call it — "Live Spiritual Warfare" LOL)
Every person thinks their exegesis is right, and I refuse to become that. This is what I call the final stumbling block with the rational approach to Biblical living and exactly why we need the Holy Spirit. We cannot achieve this in our physical and carnal minds. (Keeping in mind I expect nothing celestial out of this website. This is just a place for people to ramble and it's all anyone uses it for. Arguments and division, or as I like to call it — "Live Spiritual Warfare" LOL)
J
Not sure where this "under the law" stuff is coming from, as the two most obvious scriptures applying to Christian women dressing modestly occur in 1 Timothy and 1 Peter, and neither Paul nor Peter were legalists.
We can go back and forth with this all day long, but these discussions always come down to men and women having lust issues to be dealt with in their walk with Christ, and, regardless of gender, we need to take responsibility for our own actions, whether it be the way we allow our thought lives to progress or the way we dress.
If God puts it on a woman's heart that the way she is dressing may be an issue and she may be causing someone to stumble, who are we to tell her she is wrong? I learned this the hard way as a very young Christian. I was driving by and saw an elderly pastor's wife dressed somberly, with her long hair pinned up, no makeup, etc., and in my newly found self-righteousness I thought, "Lord, I wish she knew she did not have to dress that way." BUT... God took me to the woodshed over that and showed me that:
1. She was the woman who had prayed for the miraculous restoration of my healing;
2. That I had absolutely NO right to judge her for what she did or did not choose to wear because her heart and BODY were totally HIS;
and
3. When someone is led to DO or NOT do a thing out of a pure desire to honor/obey/worship HIM, He honors it and I need to keep my mouth shut (2 Samuel 6), as there are plenty of things in my OWN life that need my attention.
ON THE OTHERHAND, we need to remember that we are not the Holy Spirit and should never take it upon ourselves to do the Holy Spirit's job in "cleaning someone up". Our first concern should be the person's spiritual condition, which is not something that is outwardly ascertained. If we keep the main thing the main thing, and lovingly encourage a person's walk with the Lord (whether male or female), prayer life and understanding of scripture, I assure you that God is able to guide them into how they should be dressing.
I have participated in dance (mainly ballet) and gymnastics all of my life, and some of the clothing I wore in those activities never bothered me until the past couple of years....until I posted a photograph of myself in a dance costume that showed two thirds of one leg and my abs (I posted it in response to an innocent conversation about P90X workouts where I had concerns that the workouts were beginning to make my abs look too manly), and received an inappropriate message from a married man on my friend's list. Yes, what he did was wrong, but since I can't say with absolute certainty that I was dressed appropriately, I won't be doing that again. He has to take responsibility for his thoughts and words, but I have to realize that I may not have been completely innocent either, whether intentionally or not.
We are not children. We understand the concept of lust. We understand that men (and some women) are visually stimulated and they fight a tremendous battle. If we are truly trying to live out the concept of considering others above ourselves (Philippians 2) is it really too much to ask for us to put some clothes on? Thoughtfulness and selflessness does not equal legalism, but fingerpointing sure does.
We can go back and forth with this all day long, but these discussions always come down to men and women having lust issues to be dealt with in their walk with Christ, and, regardless of gender, we need to take responsibility for our own actions, whether it be the way we allow our thought lives to progress or the way we dress.
If God puts it on a woman's heart that the way she is dressing may be an issue and she may be causing someone to stumble, who are we to tell her she is wrong? I learned this the hard way as a very young Christian. I was driving by and saw an elderly pastor's wife dressed somberly, with her long hair pinned up, no makeup, etc., and in my newly found self-righteousness I thought, "Lord, I wish she knew she did not have to dress that way." BUT... God took me to the woodshed over that and showed me that:
1. She was the woman who had prayed for the miraculous restoration of my healing;
2. That I had absolutely NO right to judge her for what she did or did not choose to wear because her heart and BODY were totally HIS;
and
3. When someone is led to DO or NOT do a thing out of a pure desire to honor/obey/worship HIM, He honors it and I need to keep my mouth shut (2 Samuel 6), as there are plenty of things in my OWN life that need my attention.
ON THE OTHERHAND, we need to remember that we are not the Holy Spirit and should never take it upon ourselves to do the Holy Spirit's job in "cleaning someone up". Our first concern should be the person's spiritual condition, which is not something that is outwardly ascertained. If we keep the main thing the main thing, and lovingly encourage a person's walk with the Lord (whether male or female), prayer life and understanding of scripture, I assure you that God is able to guide them into how they should be dressing.
I have participated in dance (mainly ballet) and gymnastics all of my life, and some of the clothing I wore in those activities never bothered me until the past couple of years....until I posted a photograph of myself in a dance costume that showed two thirds of one leg and my abs (I posted it in response to an innocent conversation about P90X workouts where I had concerns that the workouts were beginning to make my abs look too manly), and received an inappropriate message from a married man on my friend's list. Yes, what he did was wrong, but since I can't say with absolute certainty that I was dressed appropriately, I won't be doing that again. He has to take responsibility for his thoughts and words, but I have to realize that I may not have been completely innocent either, whether intentionally or not.
We are not children. We understand the concept of lust. We understand that men (and some women) are visually stimulated and they fight a tremendous battle. If we are truly trying to live out the concept of considering others above ourselves (Philippians 2) is it really too much to ask for us to put some clothes on? Thoughtfulness and selflessness does not equal legalism, but fingerpointing sure does.
E
What a beautiful post. I'd be one to agree with Cobus here to say that the "lust issue" was dealt with at the cross and is no longer an issue by God's supernatural transforming ability. But nonetheless your post was absolutely wonderful.
I'm sorry you had to experience that, that man was completely acting out of his identity. I don't believe that was your responsibility at all. It's just my opinion though. I agree with so much of what you've said.
I'm sorry you had to experience that, that man was completely acting out of his identity. I don't believe that was your responsibility at all. It's just my opinion though. I agree with so much of what you've said.
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Revelation 7
13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7
13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.