Bible Translation?

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Tintin

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It's always funny/sad to see KJV-Onlyists say that the modern translations just take from the KJV. That's not how one translates the Bible. It takes years!
 
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DorothyG

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The link I originally posted was not to the videos I originally intended. (Oops!)

This was actually the series I originally intended to share:
https://dod.org/viewable-programs/dod2264.html

Please, everyone, watch these videos. They're very helpful!
 
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jimmydiggs

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#44
Thanks! :)

Quick request: could you possibly elaborate, or reword, the eight bullet of the Statement of faith?
"Faith, repentance, confession of faith in Jesus, baptism (immersion) and prayer are for the remission of past sins, and faith, repentance and confession of sins and prayer are for the remission of the erring Christian's sins (Acts 8:22)"
I don't know about the college, but restoration church (what it's affiliated with) believe baptism is a requirement for salvation. So if "you ain't baptized, you ain't saved" which isn't scriptural.

"and men and women are saved according to the conditions laid down and on record in the book of Acts."

That's likely in reference to Acts 2:38.

"The basis of the Restoration Plea handed down to us by the fathers and the basis of the union of Christendom are found in the New Testament."

The Restorationists came out of the burned over district in New York.

Me personally,

 
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#45
Douay Rheims is my choice. It's directly from the Latin vulgate. The King James version was done with an eye toward making it more prosaic. Leave it to the English crown to do something like that.
 
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Reformedjason

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#46
The Kjv is a fine translation, but it is out of date. Don't listen to ruckmanites. Not saying any names but you will figure out who they are. They will be critical on all versions but the Kjv.
 
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savedsince14

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#47
Let me tell you what God has told me.Not audibly,but speaking to my heart through His word. I am a King James Bible ONLY person. This is why. God told me that if you have a hard time understanding His word(King James Bible,of course), you don't need another translation. Either you are not saved(which you must be to get God's meaning of His word),or you are not spiritually mature enough to handle correctly the knowledge you are asking God for. The key verse to understanding the scriptures(King James Bible,of course)is 2nd Timothy 2:15.It states,and I quote,"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."The Bible is not written like a novel and is NOT MEANT to be easily understood. You have to change your life and belief to match it ,not change it to match your life or belief.The first word is Study. It means to put the Bible together with itself.The next part says,"to show thyself".This is singular,NOT plural. It means we are each,individually, responsible to know something about God's word, NOT just the preacher. The next part,"approved unto God."NOT grandma,not the preacher, not your friends,but God. This does not mean people can't help you understand it, but for the final approval of what you believe,askGod.He will tell you through His word but ONLY if you are willing to listen. If you are asking just to know and NOT apply it to your life, He will NOT tell you. The next part,"a workman that needeth not to be ashamed." If you are doing the work God wants you to BECAUSE OF your salvation, not to get it or to keep it, then you have no reason to be ashamed of your belief bevcause you know God is behind it.The next part,"rightly dividing the word of truth."This is why you MUST put the Bible together with itself.Like I said , the King James Bible is not meant to be easily understood. God did not mean for it to be easily understood. He meant for us to HAVE to study and pray about it.And also to have to change our lives and beliefs to match it. God has told me that the King James Bible IS His INERRANT word. I used to not have a problem with other translations until God spoke to my heart one day and said,"Son. why would you need the Holy Spirit and prayer if I wanted My word to be THAT easily understood?.i also found out that when the other translations first came out, that the publishers said that they were "based on King james Bible"and when they weren't selling very many of them, that that's when they came up with the lie out of hell that King James Bible had errorsin it to try to sell more of the other translations. Rest assured, my friends, God has made it MORE than plain to me that King James Bible IS 100% HIS inerrant word. God loves you all. Thank you. SAVEDSINCE14.
 
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timberdoodle

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#48
I have just recently (7-8 months ago) began extensive study of God's word and I've heard from several sources that the King James Version wasn't translated as accurately as it could have been.

I personally prefer the New Living Translation by Tyndale House Publishers as I have a hard time studying the KJV and also because I've been informed that Tyndale House has taken Greek and Hebrew text from around the world and spent a large amount of time on accurately translating from the dead sea scrolls and other ancient texts.

Here's a link to where I got a lot of information on this subject:

https://dod.org/programs-by-category/land-of-the-bible-topics/dod2116.html

Part 2 of this program can be accessed through the link under the video.


I would love to know what your point of view is on this subject.

Please, try to be nice. I'm not trying to start any heated arguments.

Thanks!
Most Greek and Hebrew scholars would agree with you on this subject.

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timberdoodle

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#49
This will turn into a debate. And it will be a rehash of all the other threads.
That said, i prefer the NLT as well.
I prefer the Westcott Hort and the LXX Old Testament

Timber
 
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timberdoodle

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#50


Well great! I missed out on any type of debating class in my high school years. I welcome all sorts of views.
Of course if it turns into a hurtful argument then I'll take this thread down. (If that's possible)



May I ask why? What are your reasons?
The NLT does a very good job of presenting the Greek text in simple to understand English and is quite accurate.

Timber
 
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timberdoodle

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#51
Douay Rheims is my choice. It's directly from the Latin vulgate. The King James version was done with an eye toward making it more prosaic. Leave it to the English crown to do something like that.
really?

Why?

timberdoodle
 
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timberdoodle

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#52
It's always funny/sad to see KJV-Onlyists say that the modern translations just take from the KJV. That's not how one translates the Bible. It takes years!

Excellent post. The KJV did not take into account many Greek texts and especially the P66 and P75 which is Alexandrian in style.

Very concerining.

Timberdoodle
 
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timberdoodle

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#53
In the first printing of the KJV (this is several centuries ago) I hear there were lots of complaints about certain words the scribes added that they thought would "help" the translation, but because they were unfamiliar with that culture (and figures of speech) they made mistakes...so in the next edition they placed any words they added in italics.

So I like the KJV as an English translation because I can clearly see and ignore words not from the originals...you can't do that with most (not all) later English versions. They're not completely incorrect everywhere, but there are more than a few instances where the added words or phrases actually change the original meaning of the text.

As far as I've seen with later English translations (even the NKJV), many (not all) have simply translated the KJV into modern English with all of "extra-biblical" words & phrases kept (this time without any italics), so these errors are now baked in and hidden.

To be honest, all translations are a bit faulty (even some Greek and Hebrew manuscripts), but the further you get away from those manuscripts the worse the translations are (by comparison). Still, reading *a* holy bible is better than reading no bible. Because you're sincere, God will guide you to the truth.
also we need to remember the Gutenberg press and the first Greek Bibles printed. They played a crucial role in the translating of the earliest KJ Bibles. I wonder which version of the KJV is the right one for the KJV onlyists's?

Timber
 
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DorothyG

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#54
Let me tell you what God has told me.Not audibly,but speaking to my heart through His word. I am a King James Bible ONLY person. This is why. God told me that if you have a hard time understanding His word(King James Bible,of course), you don't need another translation. Either you are not saved(which you must be to get God's meaning of His word),or you are not spiritually mature enough to handle correctly the knowledge you are asking God for. The key verse to understanding the scriptures(King James Bible,of course)is 2nd Timothy 2:15.It states,and I quote,"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."The Bible is not written like a novel and is NOT MEANT to be easily understood. You have to change your life and belief to match it ,not change it to match your life or belief.The first word is Study. It means to put the Bible together with itself.The next part says,"to show thyself".This is singular,NOT plural. It means we are each,individually, responsible to know something about God's word, NOT just the preacher. The next part,"approved unto God."NOT grandma,not the preacher, not your friends,but God. This does not mean people can't help you understand it, but for the final approval of what you believe,askGod.He will tell you through His word but ONLY if you are willing to listen. If you are asking just to know and NOT apply it to your life, He will NOT tell you. The next part,"a workman that needeth not to be ashamed." If you are doing the work God wants you to BECAUSE OF your salvation, not to get it or to keep it, then you have no reason to be ashamed of your belief bevcause you know God is behind it.The next part,"rightly dividing the word of truth."This is why you MUST put the Bible together with itself.Like I said , the King James Bible is not meant to be easily understood. God did not mean for it to be easily understood. He meant for us to HAVE to study and pray about it.And also to have to change our lives and beliefs to match it. God has told me that the King James Bible IS His INERRANT word. I used to not have a problem with other translations until God spoke to my heart one day and said,"Son. why would you need the Holy Spirit and prayer if I wanted My word to be THAT easily understood?.i also found out that when the other translations first came out, that the publishers said that they were "based on King james Bible"and when they weren't selling very many of them, that that's when they came up with the lie out of hell that King James Bible had errorsin it to try to sell more of the other translations. Rest assured, my friends, God has made it MORE than plain to me that King James Bible IS 100% HIS inerrant word. God loves you all. Thank you. SAVEDSINCE14.
I think you better learn Greek and Hebrew and study the original texts that the KJV was translated from.
 
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timberdoodle

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#55
I think you better learn Greek and Hebrew and study the original texts that the KJV was translated from.
Yes! Yes! Yes!

I have read the Greek of the NT as well as the Septuagin and you are absolutely correct.

Thank you

Timber
 
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Wanderers

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#56
I got saved and read the NIV. I read others but didn't like them. Like most, I didn't find the urge to go off and learn Hebrew and Greek. There are gifted linguists who can do this so I made it my goal to read their opinions on both sides of the fence.

I fell away from faith for a good few years and then, bordering on embracing atheism, I had a revival type experience. I then went on a search again as I felt I needed to 'move on' from the NIV. I looked at the most popular (NLT, ESV, Holman's etc) which were good but I ended up with the NKJV.

I understand the bits around the Westcott Hort manuscripts (and how they both liked to frequent spiritualist meetings which were all the vogue at the time), Critical Text v Textus Receptus etc.

I also understand that the 'oldest and most reliable' manuscripts oft quoted by those who favour the critical text amount to about two: Codex Sanaiticus was discovered outside St Catherine's monastery in the Sinai in 1844 the other Codex Vaticanus was found in the Vatican library in the late 1400s. Vaticanus omits part of Genesis, Ps 106-138, all the pastoral epistles, a bit of Hebrews and all of Revelation. Whereas Sanaiticus was discovered in the monastery rubbish dump! These two documents also disagree with each other a fair bit and were both heavily edited.

I don't read Hebrew or Greek but I understand enough to know that there is no such thing as the perfect bible. I understand that oldest isn't necessarily the best and that the texts used for the KJV were, actually, not a whole lot different when compared to more modern translations of Hebrew and Greek.

So, I now read the NKJV and also the NIV. I like the prose in the NKJV and I also like the paraphrasing style of the NIV. I'm sure other versions are as good and a lot is down to personal taste, just like music.

I know most folk in Europe in particular to not favour the KJV as it is considered more imperfect than the versions using the critical text. But it is interesting to me that some of the greatest revivals the world has ever known occurred whilst the KJV was the only available bible, which just goes to show God can use imperfect translation as much as imperfect man!
 
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nathan3

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A king James is what I use. It is one of the better translations. But naturally, its just English . Often you will find ;people are apt to compare it to, more English versions . That is counter productive.

You want to compare it to the manuscripts they are taken from , if that is your intention to get as accurate to the meaning as possible.

To do this, a Strong's exhaustive Concordance of the Bible is necessary I recommend -

The Strong’s Concordance ( Large Print) - Thomas Nelson Publishing.




You may want to invest in a Companion Bible. by E W Bullinger. It is a study Bible. ( not a commentary Bible ). It is basically a King James version Bible, with a side column ,of scholarly notes , by many Christian scholars. They look into the Hebrew Greek , and proper way its suppose to be translated. if there is a mistake in the English, those notes for the most part will spot it and aim to clear it up.

The Companion Bible , outlines the structure of the books. The who , what , when, where and why of what you are reading.


You should also get a Smiths Bible Dictionary - Thomas Nelson Publishing, for your serious study.
 
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nathan3

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If you absolutely want a version of the Manuscripts themselves, then I recommend :



Greek Lexicon and Concordance - E. W. Bullinger

and

Green’s Interlinear 4 Volume OT & NT - Hendrickson Publishing. ( this is basically the best copy of the Manuscripts your going to find. )


And since your in study mode. I would check out this other book ,



How to Enjoy the Bible – E. W. Bullinger


There is also a book called Figures of Speech used in the Bible - E W Bullinger.


There is also a like book on figures, done by a different scholar. if you really intend to buy it, then I will look for that author and the name of his book also.
 
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timberdoodle

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A king James is what I use. It is one of the better translations. But naturally, its just English . Often you will find ;people are apt to compare it to, more English versions . That is counter productive.

You want to compare it to the manuscripts they are taken from , if that is your intention to get as accurate to the meaning as possible.

To do this, a Strong's exhaustive Concordance of the Bible is necessary I recommend -

The Strong’s Concordance ( Large Print) - Thomas Nelson Publishing.




You may want to invest in a Companion Bible. by E W Bullinger. It is a study Bible. ( not a commentary Bible ). It is basically a King James version Bible, with a side column ,of scholarly notes , by many Christian scholars. They look into the Hebrew Greek , and proper way its suppose to be translated. if there is a mistake in the English, those notes for the most part will spot it and aim to clear it up.

The Companion Bible , outlines the structure of the books. The who , what , when, where and why of what you are reading.


You should also get a Smiths Bible Dictionary - Thomas Nelson Publishing, for your serious study.
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Strongs is good but the BDAG And Kittels is far superior. They not only identify words but also indicate the differences of grammatical constructions using Prepositions, Particles, participles, as well as idioms and so much more.

Blessings

Timber
 
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savedsince14

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In all the years I've been saved, not ONE time has God ever told me to go and study anything but His word. I know that if I study the Bible itself, as God has said in 2nd Timothy 2:15. I believe that the Bible(King James Bible) is the ONLY inerrant word of God because God told me so through a proper study of His word. That is why you HAVE to study it,not just base your belief on one verse.You have to believe the Bible to be saved. The reason people don't understand the King James Bible is because they don't want to change their beliefs andapply it to their lives. When I started doing that, I had less problems understanding The King James Bible.This discussion will go on until the Lord returns justlike the one about losing salvation,which,by the way , I believe cannot happen because ,if it could, then God would NOT be the God He says He is. God loves you.