Kick Them Out!

[Cobus]

James 5 Apostle2013. James says God will heal and clean... that is what I would have prayed for for the man when he stands in front of the church.... I would have prayed For GOD to heal and forgive and clean.... And because the ELDERS are so Faithful and strong in faith GOD WILL DO SO....

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
It does not mean only bodily sick, it can be mentally as well....

 

[Bookends]

Bookie and I will gladly take the kick out... look here.... I fear not what MAN shall do unto me...
So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
And look here Bookie... For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
They hated me without a cause.

Bookie and I said/commanded this, not Jesus...Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

I am sorry I preach and believe what Jesus preached... but I cannot go back to the false teachings and doctrines...

You preach and teach false doctrines!

[h=3]2 Corinthians 11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Concern for Their Faithfulness[/h]11 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[SUP][a][/SUP] that is in Christ. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

[h=3]Paul and False Apostles[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have been thoroughly manifested[SUP][b][/SUP] among you in all things.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? [SUP]8 [/SUP]I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. [SUP]10 [/SUP]As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Why? Because I do not love you? God knows!
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.


This is you Cobus, in red, sorry to say.

Galatians 1:6
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--

I'm tired of your lies with half truths. I am perfect in the site of God Cobus, because Christ's blood has sanctified me.

Luke 18
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And those who heard it said, “Who then can be saved?”

[SUP]27 [/SUP]But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”

It is by the means of what Christ did on the Cross by which one is able to repent and believe in faith, this the free gift, not what by Christ wants to accomplish within us. We are saved in our infirmities by HIS STRIPS, not by our transformation.

 

[Isdaniel]

I was kicked out for reading and believing the Bible... I think it should work the other way around. But this time it was the leacven that kicked out the unleaven dough. Why do people hate the Word of God when it clash with their church practise?

Why do people HATE 1 John 3:9? Imafgine we were all born of God, then we will be in heaven... WOW! Why do some "born again christians" hate 1 john 3:9, and matthew 5:48, and 1 Cor 14:34, and and and?????

Because they are NOT churches of God. God says if a brother sin against you go to him and repremand him, if he persist take two or three with you and go to him again,,, if he still persist, take him before the whole church, and if he still persist,.... KICK HIM OUT.... Well today if you go to a church to bless them with the Truth, they KICK YOU OUT... but God said that will happen.
Here is the sinners kicking out a SAINT. Not Saints kicking out sinners? WOW!

Anyway both these situations is in the Bible. Saints will be chased from false churches, and sinners (leaven) will be removed from THE unleaven church (The Body of Christ) The ONLY TRUE church God has on earth, is holy and perfect! Maintained as such by Christ HIMSELF...

What does Jesus mean let them be like a heathen or publican ?

 

[Cobus]

What does Jesus mean let them be like a heathen or publican ?

Like a CURSe Paul says in another letter Isdaniel.

Bookie, I know the Word of God, and I teach EXACTLY what Jesus and Paul taught... I teach that the blood is not all God has for you... The Grace of Jesus does not stop at washing AWAY sin. The Grace is also A PERFECT EVERLASTING LIFE...

You reach as a sinner to other sinners. Jesus taught as a perfect man to those HE MAKES PERFECT WITH HIMSELF not his Blood, HIS SPIRIT! Jesus washes clean with His blood, but He makes PERFECT with HIS SPIRIT....

Every man that has the SEED of God, does not need the blood. The SEED FOLLOWS THE BLOOD.... God washes in blood, and seals with the SEED....

Not ONE person shall enter into God's Kingdom, withou the SEED of GOD IN HIM... and the people with the SEED of God in them do not sin and CANNOT sin.... Read 1 John 3.... It should explain how God's salvation seals a person IN GOD...

Sorry BOOKIE, I am not going to defend anything, I am just going to show you one verse,.... Blood do not COVER sinners, it wash them clean and REMOVE SIN from them.
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Sorry if that is bad news for you, for me it is GREAT NEWS.... Amen!

 

[Rockbysea]

There is a good example in the scripture of a brother (I can only assume this man had the Holy Spirit) who fell and was restored. Now some may say that Paul is not talking about the same individual but I believe he is:

1 Cor. 5: 1-11

“It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! … For I … have already judged … him who has so done this deed. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, …. deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral…. not even to eat with such a person.”

Then in Paul’s next letter to the Corinthians, 2 Cor. 2: 5-11:

“This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sakes in the presence of Christ, lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.”

To me this shows that a brother who has received the Holy Spirit can fall and be restored. There is no evidence by the scripture to suggest that he never received the Holy Spirit. And without that evidence I can only lean towards this man having the Holy Spirit, fell into sin, repented and was restored to his brethren. Which means he was not instantly perfected and I can find no such teaching in the scriptures that says one becomes instantly perfect when they receive the Holy Spirit.

But these scriptures also show that a brother can’t keep sinning and remain part of the body of Christ. All through the scriptures from beginning to end it is taught that one must cease from sin. The opposite teaching of continued sinning has its origins in the teaching of Satan that says you can keep sinning and live. Followers of Christ (whether they want to call themselves Christians or something else) should not use examples in the bible of God’s mercy to teach that you can keep sinning and be saved. Those examples are there to encourage believers to teach the opposite and to do the opposite: to stop sinning.

 

[Cobus]

Rockbysea. you make an assumption here, but if this was true, then useually God will give Scripture on another place that explains how it works.
Rockbysea, we once again has to know something first.... Does sinners have the Holy Spirit IN FULL in them? IF you say YES, then it is God sinning. I said, the Holy Spirit in FULL! Or let us say FILLED with the Holy Spirit. Jesus says even a person that chase out devils in His Name and is NOT WITH HIM, will not blaspeme (speak lightly evil) of His Name.


So even a person that DOES NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, and chase out demons, will not speak evil of the Name of Jesus, shortly after he did this miricle. Now if even an evil man chase out demons in the Name of Jesus, he will not commit the sin shortly after he did this miricle in the name of Jesus.... Do you see the power of the Name of Jesus? Can you imagine the SPIRIT of JESUS' power? Do you think that the Holy Spirit will fill flesh and that flesh can sin after it is FILLED with the Spirit of God?


If that is true, I want NO PART of GOD. What else can God give me that will make me STOP SINING. I mean His Son said these few words ALL THE TIME.... GO AND SIN NO MORE! Did HE waste His breath with these words? No He did not. He had the power to give something to people so they can obey that command...What can God give me so I will NEVERsin again? Forget the perfect. Let us just focus on one thing....

Rockbysea, my good friend, what can God give me so I will NEVER sin again? Forget being perfect, just let us use the Bible, and see what is there that God can give me, so I can NEVER sin again. Can God HIMSELF make me a person that can NEVER sin again? Not make me perfect, just KEEP ME FROM SINNING. Can God make me a non-sinning man here on earth. Is God powerful enough to make me a man that CANNOT sin? I know you say YES God can do this....

Ok does God want me NOT TO SIN? Well obviously He does, because that is one of the things Jesus said the most... GO AND SIN NO MORE.... So obviously God wants us to stop sinning... So God wants us to stop sinning, and He also CAN MAKE US STOP SINNING.... So what will stop God from making people stop sinning?

Let us ask this... God wants us to stop sinning, and He can make us stop sinning, be casue HE is God, and if we want to stop sinning, what can stop this? Can Satan stop God? Can flesh stop God? Can man stop God. What can stop God from DOING HIS WILL? If God wants us to stop sinning, and He can make us stop sinning, what will stop God from doing exactly that? NOTHING. In the Gospel Jesus said... whosoever want to keep his life shall lose it, but whosoever lose his life for my Name sake, shall find it.

So here is the key.... Satan (sin) is our life and if we keep this life, we shall lose it.... Satan (sin) is our life if we lose it for His Name sake, we shall find (Life Everlasting). If we lose the sin FOR HIS NAME SAKE, we shall find our holy life that lasts forever right here on earth.

I will say again and this time you have to see this.... Your spirit and soul is YOU! This flesh is NOT YOU! It is only a vessel. God says we have a great treasure in a clay pot..... The flesh is just a clay pot.... but the pot can contain, a great heavenly treasure, or a bunch of junk. Some pots contain filthy rags, some contain (like Paul says) dung... The POT is not the thing... what is inside is what matters.

If God in inside the pot, is that pot an honor unto God? YES! Can that pot be anything but honor unto God NO! but what about the other pots, can they be honor unto God? NOPE! will they ever be a honor unto God? NOPE! So you see my friend, it is what is inside that determine what the vessel is... From God or not From God.

Jesus says VERY clearly, is the FLESH cannot confess, that Jesus is inside, IT IS NOT OF GOD... Now what is the difference between a flesh with Jesus inside and a flesh with NO Jesus inside? This is the difference.... In this verse the SEED of GOD is CHRIST JESUS.....Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Again how do we know God (righteousness/no sin) is one person and Satan (sin/unroghteousness) is in another?....In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I do not want to add to God's Word, but I hope you see that the children of God ONLY DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS, THEY NEVER DO SIN.... NEVER. Oh they used too like ALL sinners God has saved.... They DID SIN IN THEIR LIVES THEY LAID DOWN....But the NEW LIFE IN CHRSIT JESUS, and CHRIST JESUS IN THEM....THERE IS NO SIN IN THAT LIFE... NOT HERE, AND NOT IN HIM.... It says the Childeren of God that has HIS SEED IN THEM CANNOT SIN... and believe me THEY CANNOT SIN EVER AGAIN!

So any person who sins, whenever he sins, needs God's salvation before he will stop sinning. And straight after God called a sinner, you will see the sinner start LAYING DOWN THE NEEDS AND LUSTS OF THE FLESH... that is how God helps the sinner REPENT FROM ALL SIN... And when the sinner did this, God will make sure this verse becomes VERY REAL... They live a GODLY LIFE HERE ON EARTH. Perfect life here on earth. The life God had for them even before the earth was made...

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

 

[loveme1]

I was kicked out for stressing that Jesus Christ was a Jew. This was in the late 1960's, and I used only the Greek name for our Lord at that time, and for about 35 more years. It was sad, traumatic, but I still think fondly of the entire assembly, no exceptions..........

Why does this not surprise?

Bless you.

 

[tdrew777]

Bookie and I will gladly take the kick out... look here.... I fear not what MAN shall do unto me...
So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
And look here Bookie... For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
They hated me without a cause.

Bookie and I said/commanded this, not Jesus...Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

I am sorry I preach and believe what Jesus preached... but I cannot go back to the false teachings and doctrines...

Not hating, Cobus, but you have made too many errors, even right here on cc, to claim that you are perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect.
If you believe you WILL one day be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect, I would remind you that there are other men who have claimed that promise by grace through faith. The message was delivered once and for all to the saints, not to the saint. We are plural. If you insist on standing alone, you will fall alone. Get with the church of God.

 

[Cobus]

Tdrew now I will call you on your LIE! Prove where I said I was perfect! Just one place... Proove to all here where Cobus said that Cobus is perfect... Why do you even say that? You blame me for things I did not do.... So it is true Jesus, they will LIE to get me guilty of sin! WOW! These sinners are really bad people are they not God?

Tdrew show me one place on any post where I claim to reach perfection already? Just one place, or REPENT from this false witness against me in this very forum.
Go and ask God to forgive you for bearing FALSE WITNESS!

Tdrew you are LYING! I NEVER said I was perfect, NEVER! So repent to God forget me, I am just Cobus, but REPENT before God and stop bringing FALSE WITNESS in on the children of God. I am a child of God and HE WILL MAKE ME PERFECT BEFORE I PASS ON TO HIM.... And not you, your lies, or your god that tell you to lie against me, will change that. You are NOT from Christ. His people do not bring FALSE witness, you do!

Please show me where I said I was perfect, or do the right thing: REPENT TO GOD....

 

[Cobus]

You preach and teach false doctrines!



This is you Cobus, in red, sorry to say.


I'm tired of your lies with half truths. I am perfect in the site of God Cobus, because Christ's blood has sanctified me.

Yet I am the ONLY one tht gives Bible proof of what I preach. I asked you so many times.... Show me one verse that says God does not save to perfection, aor one verse that says we will ALWAYS be sinners. Show me just one verse that says the people BORN OF GOD still sin, just ONE!

You cannot for you know not the word of God or His power, that is why you preach something the Word Of God does not support. Bookie you HAVE NO EXCUSE to remain sinner NONE! If you do NOT REPENT, you will NOT ENTER INTO HEAVEN...
God has given you ALL you need to obey His Commands, if you do not KEEP HIS WORD, you will not make it...

Look here once again.... A Godly life is the life CHRSIT LIVES IN YOU... NOT YOU LIVE IN YOU ...CHRIST LIVES THIS LIFE IN YOU...Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

 

[Rockbysea]

“Does sinners have the Holy Spirit IN FULL in them?”

Cobus now you’re changing things: you’re creating your own teaching to back up your belief. Now we have a doctrine of partial receiving of the Holy Spirit and only a FULL dousing of the Holy Spirit will make some one instantly perfect “in a split second.” To suggests that sinners get the Holy Spirit but not “IN FULL” goes against your belief that one cannot receive the Holy Spirit and practice sin. You are contradicting yourself.

“If God wants us to stop sinning, and He can make us stop sinning, what will stop God from doing exactly that? NOTHING.”

Cobus, for God to create His perfection in us it takes our co-operation. Everyone He makes perfect has to co-operated with Him by making the right choice. You do not understand that it’s a two-sided agreement. That’s why it’s called a “Covenant”… It’s a contract between two parties; also you do not understand that when God creates living things, they all must grow. They don’t just appear mature and full of survival skills.

If a child of man has to grow and be taught by his parents so does a child of God. The growth aspect is essential and that’s the way God does it. In order for God to have offspring after Himself, the presence of evil was necessary and a process of time to accommodate choice was necessary. This was the best way for God to do it and that’s why He does it that way… Thus for us to stop sinning it requires our co-operation with God’s help. It’s our involvement in the process that makes us like God… God cannot make us like Himself without our cooperation just like a good parent cannot raise a good child without the child’s cooperation.

“but whosoever lose his life for my Name sake, shall find it.”

And that person who lost his life for the sake of Christ CHOSE to lose his life for the sake of Christ. It’s that cooperation that enables God to produce His offspring…. Not by a one-sided instant fiat.

I gave you scriptures of apostles who were not perfect but received the Holy Spirit “IN FULL”.

God knows what He’s doing. The best way for Him to produce His offspring is through time and our cooperation… to say that He can do the same thing instantly without our cooperation is to say that He could have done it a faster and better way and achieve the same results… without all this unnecessary time and hardship. God knows best.

 

[loveme1]

Yet I am the ONLY one tht gives Bible proof of what I preach. I asked you so many times.... Show me one verse that says God does not save to perfection, aor one verse that says we will ALWAYS be sinners. Show me just one verse that says the people BORN OF GOD still sin, just ONE!

You cannot for you know not the word of God or His power, that is why you preach something the Word Of God does not support. Bookie you HAVE NO EXCUSE to remain sinner NONE! If you do NOT REPENT, you will NOT ENTER INTO HEAVEN...
God has given you ALL you need to obey His Commands, if you do not KEEP HIS WORD, you will not make it...

Look here once again.... A Godly life is the life CHRSIT LIVES IN YOU... NOT YOU LIVE IN YOU ...CHRIST LIVES THIS LIFE IN YOU...Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

I like most of what you have written, and believe you believe the Word of GOD.

I think most of the time it is the way you share this that confuses people.

Your excitement may seem boastful to some, and they often seem to get "the wrong end of the stick" it seems from where i sit anyhow.

 

[Cobus]

Rockbysea WE ALL got the Holy Spirit as the CONVICTOR.... THe REPROVER of sin... God said this.... John 16:8....And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:


And yet not ONE OF THE WORLD PEOPLE WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM, but only THOSE BORN OF THE SPIRIT....
Do NOT get confused... the Holy Spirit even convicts/reprove the worst of sinners of there sin. He will not let ONE SINGLE SIN PASS in ANY PERSON.... Get is now please my friend... As long as the Holy Spirit has to CONVICT you of sin HE IS NOT A FULL, INDWELLING, BORN OF GOD SPIRIT IN YOU...

He is only a REPROVER OF SIN. Not even IN YOU, he only lays the GUILT ON YOU, and the thing you INHERITED OF ADAM your knowledge of Good and evil will INVOKE the reprove in you.... GUILT and a DIRTY conscience... It has NOTHING to do with the Holy Spirit.... He does not abide with sin, not in you and not in Jesus.... NOWHERE does He abide with sin... only REPROVE!

So again you do not understand it.... No sinner is filled with the Holy Spirit, and no sinner has the HOLY SPIRIT AS AN INDWELLING SPIRIT IN HIM...

Please get this now.... THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS before HE FILLS.... He does not LEAD and not fill... If you follow His REPROOF all the way OUT OF SIN, HE WILL BE IMPLANTED IN FULL IN YOU...

Tell me if you follow a bus to a bus-terminal, how much of the bus is in your car? If you follow the Holy Spirit to perfection, how much of the Holy Spirit is in you? Both answers.... NOTHING!

Again let me show you you are SO close.... And this time i will elaberate a bit more...

There is only ONE IMPLANTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT..... ONLY ONE... not liitle now and the whole Spirit later.... It is as simple as this..... God calls you... NO Holy Spirit in you... but God DRAWS you to JESUS.... God draws you with the Holy Spirit to REPROOF you of sin.... God's Spirit DRAWS you to Jesus.... Jesus said no one comes to the Fahter but by Me, and no one comes to me accept the Father does not draw him.... So Jesus leads, and Father draws... Not ONE OF THEM IS IN YOU YET!!!!! One leads and One draws... You are sinner and makes a lot of mistakes, but before you were called it did not matter, now it matters.... God and Son leading and drawing you OUT OF SIN..... You start to change your ways... you stop adultery COMPLETELY AND FOREVER.... God drawed you OUT OF THAT SIN, and Jesus lead you into something else.... You can now WITNESS about how you overcame adultery.... And So God draws and Jesus leads until your WHOLE LIFE OF SIN COMES TO AN END... and still there is not a SINGLE GRAIN OF HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU... HE (Father and Son) only taught you how to love the Truth and Righteousness, and how to lay down sin and KEEP His Word....

And you did this becasue they gave you love, more and more for HIM, and not for FLESH.... You now love God with all your heart, soul and flesh.... You are still a person with NO HOLY SPIRIT IN HIM... ONLY God's Love... SAINT God calls them...but then comes the BORN OF GOD.... the INFILLING of the Holy Spirit.....That is when in an instant God makes you FULL OF HIS SEED. HIS HOLY SPIRIT.... AT THE END OF YOUR SALVATION.... Saint made PERFECT.....

No sinner CAN even have a grain of Holy Spirit, only as a CONVICTION in his knowledge of Good and Evil... Thanks to ADAM...

My friend God fills only SAINTS with His Spirit... Go read acts 8 where Philip comes to Samaria, you will see how it works there.

 

[Cobus]

Rockbysea, the cleansing may take YEARS but the FILLING of the Holy Ghost God says is like HE FALLS ON YOU... WOW! Acts 8 please go read Acts 8 where Philip came to Samaria but the Spirit did not fall on none of them YET... and when he did HE FELL ON THEM....In full....

Eph 4 says he is above all, in all and through ALL HOLY PEOPLE.... Not the world HIS PEOPLE....

Rockbysea let you and I reason this thing through MANY peopel can learn by this.... I would LOVE if God make you and I ONE IN HIM ,IN HIM AND PERFECTLY ONE WITH EACHOTHER... HIS WILL my friend HIS WILL....

 

[tdrew777]

Tdrew now I will call you on your LIE! Prove where I said I was perfect! Just one place... Proove to all here where Cobus said that Cobus is perfect... Why do you even say that? You blame me for things I did not do.... So it is true Jesus, they will LIE to get me guilty of sin! WOW! These sinners are really bad people are they not God?

Tdrew show me one place on any post where I claim to reach perfection already? Just one place, or REPENT from this false witness against me in this very forum.
Go and ask God to forgive you for bearing FALSE WITNESS!

Tdrew you are LYING! I NEVER said I was perfect, NEVER! So repent to God forget me, I am just Cobus, but REPENT before God and stop bringing FALSE WITNESS in on the children of God. I am a child of God and HE WILL MAKE ME PERFECT BEFORE I PASS ON TO HIM.... And not you, your lies, or your god that tell you to lie against me, will change that. You are NOT from Christ. His people do not bring FALSE witness, you do!

Please show me where I said I was perfect, or do the right thing: REPENT TO GOD....

What you did was quote mat 5: 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect
So I said, "Not hating, Cobus, but you have made too many errors, even right here on cc, to claim that you are perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect."
Which, as you clearly testify, is exactly the case.

I went on to say, "If you believe you WILL one day be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect, I would remind you that there are other men who have claimed that promise by grace through faith. The message was delivered once and for all to the saints, not to the saint. We are plural. If you insist on standing alone, you will fall alone. Get with the church of God."
Which I repeat. Far from apologizing, I repeat what I said.

 

[Bookends]

I like most of what you have written, and believe you believe the Word of GOD.

I think most of the time it is the way you share this that confuses people.

Your excitement may seem boastful to some, and they often seem to get "the wrong end of the stick" it seems from where i sit anyhow.

Loveme1, Cobus teaches that one must be made completely sinless by God to have eternal salvation, to be saved. Do you believe this? Are you completely sinless, are you living a perfect sinless life? If not, meaning that if you from time to time let the world, your flesh, or Satan get the best of you, if you are one bit selfish at times, then God never saved you, God's sacrifice, Christ's death and shed blood is no avail. If there is one sliver of imperfection in you, you are not saved, Christ is not in you, you don't have the HS>>>This is what Cobus teaches... I ask you again, do you believe you are sinless, or do you believe you aren't a child of God yet because of your sin?

 

[Fenner]

Has your church ever had to ask someone to leave the church?
If so, for what?
If so, how did you go about it?
And if so, how was it perceived by the congregation?

Not since I've been there. I'm sure my Pastor would have loved to ask some complainers to find a new church. But he's been pretty gracious since he started 3 years ago.

 

[Bookends]

Yet I am the ONLY one tht gives Bible proof of what I preach. I asked you so many times.... Show me one verse that says God does not save to perfection, aor one verse that says we will ALWAYS be sinners. Show me just one verse that says the people BORN OF GOD still sin, just ONE!

You cannot for you know not the word of God or His power, that is why you preach something the Word Of God does not support. Bookie you HAVE NO EXCUSE to remain sinner NONE! If you do NOT REPENT, you will NOT ENTER INTO HEAVEN...
God has given you ALL you need to obey His Commands, if you do not KEEP HIS WORD, you will not make it...

Look here once again.... A Godly life is the life CHRSIT LIVES IN YOU... NOT YOU LIVE IN YOU ...CHRIST LIVES THIS LIFE IN YOU...Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

We have given you many verses COBUS!!!! You ignore everything we say, and even what the bible teaches.

READ HEBREWS 12 - God Chastises His Children...There would be no reason to chastise a perfect sinless child of God if they were not imperfect. If you were a perfect sinless Child of God, God would have no reason to chastise you. BUT Hebrews 12 says that God does Chastise HIS CHILDREN, this must mean we aren't peeeerrrrrffffiiiiiccccctttt.

In the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke thee.

 

[john832]

I'm talking more about leaving the church for good, or for a season. Not just a service.

unrepented sin...

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Cobus]

We have given you many verses COBUS!!!! You ignore everything we say, and even what the bible teaches.

READ HEBREWS 12 - God Chastises His Children...There would be no reason to chastise a perfect sinless child of God if they were not imperfect. If you were a perfect sinless Child of God, God would have no reason to chastise you. BUT Hebrews 12 says that God does Chastise HIS CHILDREN, this must mean we aren't peeeerrrrrffffiiiiiccccctttt.

In the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke thee.

Ah would you please CONTINUE in Hebrews 12... Oh BOOKENDS, even ALL the Scripture you qoute REBUKES your Teaching, I will not rebuke you let JESUS do it HIMSELF with HIS WORD....
Look what the Father says about CHASTIZING HIS SONS... they TAKE the CHASTIZE and NEED NO MORE CHASTIZE for they are NOT BASTARDS that REFUSE the chastizing....

Look and learn from this Scripture....

Hebrews 12...
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

If you ENDURE the chastening you are chld of God.... God CORRECTS you to give him REVERENCE, to in SUBJECTION unto FATHER OF SPIRITS, TO LIVE..... He chasens us to BE PARTAKERS OF HIS
HOLINESS ... AND LOOK... The chastening does not continue and continue and continue... NO it ends with PEACEABLE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.... WOW.. Bookie you do not believe this do you? AND you rebuke ME? WOW! I preach the rest of Hebrews 12 and you REBUKE ME? Why do you not Rebuke Jeus in the name of JEsus... HE WROTE THIS NOT ME....

Jesus says the chastening will end up in PEACEFUL FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.... And you say nay God you are wrong we will always need chastenng.... You are in error even in the Scripture YOU QOUTED...

I follow peace with you and hliness, but you do not believe in the holiness, so you rebuke me for believing it and wanting to follow it with you, so you leave me to persue God alone and you will persist in your sin... NOT HOLINESS ... SIN... I persue God and holiness with all who wants to walk with me, in peace and holiness...

And BOOKIE here is confirmation to my DOCTRINE.... Follow holiness, without this HOLINESS OF GOD, NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD... NO MAN BOOKIE not even you... If God does not make you ass Holy as HE is you will NEVER see God.... Now take that to the bank where you can Find God's Truth....

Bookie read the whole chapter of HEbrews 12 without twisting it to suit your doctrine, God tells you there, that HE COMPLETES SALVATION HERE ON EARTH...

There is bitterness springing up amongst us between you and me and it is ALL in you... I have no bitterness against you, only sadness that you stay so hard necked against the Word of God,.... Bookie God is a FAIR GOD. If told you to be perfect, HE SHALL MAKE YOU SO....
MAny are defiled with your anger and that is not becoming n what we talk about. Stop being so angry, you CANNOT proof that God does not make people as Perfect as He is perfect...

We all start off as sinners, but God is way more powerful than any and all sin...

BOOKIE WHAT SIN CAN'T YOU STOP DOING? Take it to God HE HAS AN ANSWER FOR IT... HE WILL REMOVE YOU FROM IT.... All you have to do is ASK....

Look how Hebrews 12 put it to whom this is done..... To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

What is that KABOOM I hear... Bookies Doctrine blowing up? My firend your doctrine does not stand in God's light... HIS WORD./...