I Believe in Evolution and have no problem with Gay Marriage

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DJJesus

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How does this contribute at all to the conversation? Of course we all agree with that but it adds nothing to the discussion, we are not talking about whether one of us is going to Hell or not, and about the Spirit doing the correcting how do you know in your heart that im not right? do you perfectly understand the bible. No neither do I, im not saying that im right the reason I posted is because we can not understand the bible fully and again as I said before anyone who says that they do is a fool
 
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There sure seems to be a lot of... well ignorance around here. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but just something to point out. What we have here is a case of someone genuinely wanting to discuss a controversial topic. Be that as it may, I think some feathers may have been unintentionally ruffled.

Let's start off with this, "God created man and woman." While this is true, it certainly misses a very important subject. Around .5% of the human population, for as long as we have been around (200,000 years some state) has been born intersex. This means that they may have been born with an extra X or Y chromosome or have an androgyne deficiency etc. Whatever it is, it means that these people (around 1.7 million Americans) are neither male nor female. And you may be surprised to learn that Jesus actually acknowledges this when he discusses marriage in Matthew 19:12.

"For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

Now that the silly notion of all people fitting into one or two sexes is out of the way, let's focus on the actual point here. Notice, OP stated that he does not have a problem with homosexual marriage. Which, whether you agree with it or not, you must deal with the fact that (I am speaking from an American point of view) that we live in a country that is not 100% Christian, and we cannot expect to impose our view of marriage on non-Christians from a legal perspective as much as we would not want Muslims banning alcohol or Jews banning shellfish. Turn the tables and you see the absurdity here. After all, we Christians believe that divorce is also reprehensible in the sight of God (I wonder how many of you are divorced, or remarried even), yet we don't have anyone campaigning to make divorce illegal in our country. No, and why? We respect the rights of those who do not follow the same beliefs we do. We are secular after all. Let's keep our government that way.

And finally, evolution. I honestly... honestly get tired of this over and over again. Let me get started by stating that the Big Bang Theory, which some of you think is an atheistic attempt to prove the existence of the universe without God, was invented by a Catholic Priest. That's right, Georges Lemaitre was a priest, physicist, and astronomer, and was actually RIDICULED for the Big Bang Theory. Why? Because the very idea of the Universe having a beginning was considered TOO theistic for the scientists of the time. Einstein went as far as saying, "
Your calculations are correct, but your physics is atrocious." The common idea in the 1910s was that the Universe had simply ALWAYS existed and hence, did not need a beginning, nor a creator. Lemaitre comes along and causes a paradigm shift in the field of physics and cosmology as huge as the theory of Evolution was in biology. So there you have it. Big Bang Theory=Theistic Science.

And now what better way to segway into the big spooky monster of... Evolution. Did you know that the Catholic Church accepts it as a genuine form in which God created life on Earth? Bet you didn't. Did you know that Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project, is an evangelical Christian. Probably didn't know that either. But what about George Ellis (Cosmologist), John Lennox (apologist, Oxford Mathematician, Philosopher), Alister McGrath (Theologian, Philosopher of Science, Microbiologist), and William Lane Craig (Philosopher)? Yep. They all accept evolution. But how? Simply because it has no bearing on the salvation of anyone involved and is totally within the realm of God's power to do so. The Bible is NOT (I CAN'T stress this enough) a text book. It is a collection of books compiled over thousands of years consisting of: history, poetry, songs, parables, letters, prophecy, apocalyptic imagery, and much much more. Is evolution compatible with Christianity? MOST CERTAINLY. Imagine God trying to explain amino acids and DNA to the authors of Genesis in 1200 BC. You would have simplified it too. Genesis tells us who God is, what he is like, and provides a preface for how our relationship with Him works. Could it have literally happened in 6 days? Sure, why not?

But what are the implications of that? God makes everything look old, billions of years old, adds fossils, puts clues in our DNA, gives us everything we can see to make it plain to us that the Earth is not 6,000 years old to... trick us? That doesn't sound much like the God we worship. Nowhere close. Creationism has the theological problem of painting God as a charlatan who makes us think the world is older than it really is... for no apparent reason. Think about that. Jesus taught in parables to make things easier to understand. When it comes to the creation of the Universe, and your audience is a group of people who have been in slavery and wandering in the desert for 40 years... they don't care about DNA. They certainly don't care about the age of the Earth (something the Bible NEVER states). What they care about is how God has led them to this point and where he goes from here.

Please feel free to respond. Thank you.


 
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There is NOTHING wrong with being Gay.


Lets all get the planks out of our eyes and realize that not one of us are good people, who are we to judge anyone? By thinking that we are better or more right than any other person in itself makes us sinners and not right to judge. I get it your arguments

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Good ol' Leviticus, this is a book that goes over everything that you would need to do to be Perfect...it is impossible for us to do alone, every single person reading this post has broken the Law set in Leviticus, lets name a few (if you want me to source these let me know but you will find them all there) Letting your hair become unkempt, tearing your clothes, stealing, lying, defrauding your neighbor, bearing a grudge, any tattoos, not standing in the presence of the elderly. These are all in Leviticus, what makes your sin better than theirs? Plus hating the Gay community and not allowing them to hold posts in churches is completely ridiculous and completely goes against Jesus....do you wanna know the 1 law that matters over anything named in Leviticus? Love thy neighbor, your neighbor isnt only the person sitting next to you or across the street, it is everyone in this world and Jesus wants you to love everyone unequivocally. Being Gay is not any worse of a sin than any of ours, I would say it might even be better than us as we spend our days holding grudges and lying to our neighbors, they in that sin are loving....

Love is never wrong
You declare that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality,
then you acknowledge that it is a sin three times!

The only conclusion I can come to is that you don't believe sin is wrong.
Hope that works out for you.

I'm not going to tell you what my sins are, but I will tell you this:
I am not PROUD of them, I am ashamed of them.
That's the difference between me and a homosexual.

Not going to spend anymore time here.
I'm out.
Buh bye.
 
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DJJesus

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You declare that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality,
then you acknowledge that it is a sin three times!

The only conclusion I can come to is that you don't believe sin is wrong.
Hope that works out for you.

I'm not going to tell you what my sins are, but I will tell you this:
I am not PROUD of them, I am ashamed of them.
That's the difference between me and a homosexual.

Not going to spend anymore time here.
I'm out.
Buh bye.

Thanks for reading one post in the thread! Hope it really expanded your faith! Glad for the contribution!
 

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9 Know all of you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but all of you are washed, but all of you are sanctified, but all of you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit (o. pneuma) of our God.

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

14 And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15 Know all of you not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
 
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Come on guys, let's keep this civil. It's easy to make this an "Us against Them" topic. Maybe you should consider both sides before jumping to any conclusions.

Here's an interesting topic. The concept of modern homosexuality did not exist until 1800s AD. Even the word did not exist until then. Now discuss.
 

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That is the problem the lord rebuke you but be aware that it is a sin to be gay and not repent leviticus shows that it is unatural and enforced by paul in romanS and corinthisns and in revelations but the truth has been revealed by several brethren , noe i depart and will have nothing to do with such matters you refuse councel and correction and love darkness rather than light ill pray for you but be aware Jesus is coming soon!
 
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That is the problem the lord rebuke you but be aware that it is a sin to be gay and not repent leviticus shows that it is unatural and enforced by paul in romanS and corinthisns and in revelations but the truth has been revealed by several brethren , noe i depart and will have nothing to do with such matters you refuse councel and correction and love darkness rather than light ill pray for you but be aware Jesus is coming soon!
Now this is EXACTLY what I am talking about. Instead of having a genuine conversation with this person, you are simply blocking out anything they have to say and walking away. If this is, as you say, a matter of this person's salvation (as absurd as it may be as... he isn't actually doing these things), shouldn't you be MORE inclined to have a meaningful discussion with him? Again, be nice, and just as importantly, let's think this through before it becomes silly.
 
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Come on guys, let's keep this civil. It's easy to make this an "Us against Them" topic. Maybe you should consider both sides before jumping to any conclusions.

Here's an interesting topic. The concept of modern homosexuality did not exist until 1800s AD. Even the word did not exist until then. Now discuss.
You talk about homosexuality being OK. It is a sin, and when we point it out you say that is not the topic?? You say it didn't exist until 1800? Not so. Did you read my post explaining it or just skip me it as not worthwhile? There are no two sides except as arguing from the purely human viewpoint without listening to God. That is for atheist and this is a site where we listen to God and think things through using scripture.
 
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"In 1886, Richard von Krafft-Ebing used the terms homosexual and heterosexual in his book Psychopathia Sexualis. Krafft-Ebing's book was so popular among both laymen and doctors that the terms "heterosexual" and "homosexual" became the most widely accepted terms for sexual orientation."

This is where the word comes from, whether you like it or not. I don't think you can fight etymology as much as you would like to. And nowhere did I say it didn't exist until 1800. Rather, I said the modern CONCEPT did not exist until 1886. Those are two different things and carry a lot of weight when determining what homosexuality is, how Paul saw it, how the Greeks saw it, and how we currently do. Of course, homosexuality has existed for as long as man has and is even present in numerous animals (Bonobos, dolphins, dogs, etc...)

And if you will notice, I do not believe I ever called homosexuality okay. In fact, I totally left the morality of homosexuality out of all of my posts as, quite frankly, that isn't the topic. The title is, "I believe in evolution and have no problem with gay marriage," and that should be what is followed. I mentioned Gay marriage in the United States because that is the parameters of the discussion.

I'm sorry if you thought I skipped your post. I must assure you I did not. But I am a little confused. Are you saying that there can only be one interpretation of scripture and that one is yours? Are you saying that the early apostles never had arguments? Well, I think Peter and Paul could attest that the opposite of that is true (Acts). Are you saying only atheists debate? Are you claiming to always be correct? I find this to be a very odd thought. There are ALWAYS two sides to an argument. Remember, Jesus taught us not only to have child like faith, but also to be as wise as serpents. It is the duty of EVERY Christian to challenge their faith in every way possible. Without that, it becomes a meaningless, emotion based experience that falters at the very slightest of tragedies.
 
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LT would you STOP THE WE AE ALL SINNERS!!!!
Who are you to judge? Becasue you JUDGE WRONG... My wife is a HOLY PERSON that NEVER sins.... So Stop Lying! You are NOT GOD.... You would not even know when Jesus stands in your midst...
Imagine Jesus send an angel to ayour church and you say... WE are all sinners... WOW! MAn are you arrogant and uninformed...


So STOP your false witness, it is from Satan not God. God says you should be kind to all strangers for some of you will house an angel of the Lord UNAWARES... do you think that person you were kind to is a sinner? Man I wish you would wake up now...Please NEVER say those words again.... You do not have the authority to say it...


Second rebuke false teachings sharply says the Lord... So if the Lord have only one angel here, you are teaching fasle to say we are all sinners... STOP IT! See how sharp I rebuke thee LT? Be sound in in the faith and turn not from the Truth,,, Truth is God will always have men here on earth....
 
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how do you know in your heart that im not right?
The reason we know in our heart that you’re not right is because God’s Word says this is an abomination.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


do you perfectly understand the bible. No neither do I, im not saying that im right the reason I posted is because we can not understand the bible fully and again as I said before anyone who says that they do is a fool
While no one may perfectly understand God’s Word we are told to study His Word.
2Ti 2:15
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
And His Word declares that this sort of behavior is unacceptable.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Saying this type of behavior before God is acceptable for the sake of love is scripturally bankrupt.
Read your Bible brother……
2Ti 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
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Does that make me less of a Christian in some eyes?

Im tired of the old fashioned perspective on topics like these...Its like we are still living in the times of the Old Testament, things have changed and God knew these things would change, We learn more about the world now then we ever did and im still able to perfectly fit the Bible into my life, because The Bible is a book that points to God, it teaches you how to be a good person, it has never been a history book so why do we treat it as such? In the bigger scheme of things does it matter if there was a flood? Does it matter if Jonah was swallowed by a whale? Does it matter if the Earth was created in 7 days?

No.

These stories point us to God and teach us who he is and what he wants us to become. If you go back to the story of creation, I ask if it matters if the Earth was created in 6 days, I dont think it does, The 6 days show an ordered process that does follow the steps of evolution, it goes from plants to birds then land animals followed by people...the creation story is meant to tell us that we did not come about from chaos but that it was an ordered purposeful creation. Why spend time arguing about something so inconsequential when there are bigger issues about.

There is NOTHING wrong with being Gay.


Lets all get the planks out of our eyes and realize that not one of us are good people, who are we to judge anyone? By thinking that we are better or more right than any other person in itself makes us sinners and not right to judge. I get it your arguments

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Good ol' Leviticus, this is a book that goes over everything that you would need to do to be Perfect...it is impossible for us to do alone, every single person reading this post has broken the Law set in Leviticus, lets name a few (if you want me to source these let me know but you will find them all there) Letting your hair become unkempt, tearing your clothes, stealing, lying, defrauding your neighbor, bearing a grudge, any tattoos, not standing in the presence of the elderly. These are all in Leviticus, what makes your sin better than theirs? Plus hating the Gay community and not allowing them to hold posts in churches is completely ridiculous and completely goes against Jesus....do you wanna know the 1 law that matters over anything named in Leviticus? Love thy neighbor, your neighbor isnt only the person sitting next to you or across the street, it is everyone in this world and Jesus wants you to love everyone unequivocally. Being Gay is not any worse of a sin than any of ours, I would say it might even be better than us as we spend our days holding grudges and lying to our neighbors, they in that sin are loving....

Love is never wrong
If you deny Christ he'll deny you.
 
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Does that make me less of a Christian in some eyes?

Im tired of the old fashioned perspective on topics like these...Its like we are still living in the times of the Old Testament, things have changed and God knew these things would change, We learn more about the world now then we ever did and im still able to perfectly fit the Bible into my life, because The Bible is a book that points to God, it teaches you how to be a good person, it has never been a history book so why do we treat it as such? In the bigger scheme of things does it matter if there was a flood? Does it matter if Jonah was swallowed by a whale? Does it matter if the Earth was created in 7 days?

No.

These stories point us to God and teach us who he is and what he wants us to become. If you go back to the story of creation, I ask if it matters if the Earth was created in 6 days, I dont think it does, The 6 days show an ordered process that does follow the steps of evolution, it goes from plants to birds then land animals followed by people...the creation story is meant to tell us that we did not come about from chaos but that it was an ordered purposeful creation. Why spend time arguing about something so inconsequential when there are bigger issues about.

There is NOTHING wrong with being Gay.


Lets all get the planks out of our eyes and realize that not one of us are good people, who are we to judge anyone? By thinking that we are better or more right than any other person in itself makes us sinners and not right to judge. I get it your arguments

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Good ol' Leviticus, this is a book that goes over everything that you would need to do to be Perfect...it is impossible for us to do alone, every single person reading this post has broken the Law set in Leviticus, lets name a few (if you want me to source these let me know but you will find them all there) Letting your hair become unkempt, tearing your clothes, stealing, lying, defrauding your neighbor, bearing a grudge, any tattoos, not standing in the presence of the elderly. These are all in Leviticus, what makes your sin better than theirs? Plus hating the Gay community and not allowing them to hold posts in churches is completely ridiculous and completely goes against Jesus....do you wanna know the 1 law that matters over anything named in Leviticus? Love thy neighbor, your neighbor isnt only the person sitting next to you or across the street, it is everyone in this world and Jesus wants you to love everyone unequivocally. Being Gay is not any worse of a sin than any of ours, I would say it might even be better than us as we spend our days holding grudges and lying to our neighbors, they in that sin are loving....

Love is never wrong
The Laws were made to show us that we has became imperfect since the time when sin had enter in our lives. If there were no laws, then we wouldn't have known how things suppose to be. Like for an instance, Homosexuality, we wouldn't have never known that it wasn't what God had intended for some to be. We would of thought that it would have been normal for the same sex to lie with each other, but we would of wonder why the same sex couldn't conceive a child, until the laws had came in to supposedly bring us knowledge which the devil had kept us from gaining understanding. God was keeping His Blue-print in our minds so that we don't forget how things suppose to be. Do you think that animals like dogs are aware of Homosexuality? We would have been like the animals that doesn't understand the main purpose for the physical nature. But now God has shown that we all are mentally and physically handicaps that's going around judging other handicaps; and each handicap, is going around claiming that their handicap is better than the other. That is why God cannot judge because we are handicap, but if you claim to be not handicap, then He will Judge.

John 9:41
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Luke 23:34
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

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LT would you STOP THE WE AE ALL SINNERS!!!!
Who are you to judge? Becasue you JUDGE WRONG... My wife is a HOLY PERSON that NEVER sins.... So Stop Lying! You are NOT GOD.... You would not even know when Jesus stands in your midst...
Imagine Jesus send an angel to ayour church and you say... WE are all sinners... WOW! MAn are you arrogant and uninformed...


So STOP your false witness, it is from Satan not God. God says you should be kind to all strangers for some of you will house an angel of the Lord UNAWARES... do you think that person you were kind to is a sinner? Man I wish you would wake up now...Please NEVER say those words again.... You do not have the authority to say it...


Second rebuke false teachings sharply says the Lord... So if the Lord have only one angel here, you are teaching fasle to say we are all sinners... STOP IT! See how sharp I rebuke thee LT? Be sound in in the faith and turn not from the Truth,,, Truth is God will always have men here on earth....
Wow, cobe, didn't know this was your belief. You have read 1 John , have you not.

He who is without sin is deceiving themselves, right?

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


This is someone who is of the faith of Christ who is believing in Christ Jesus as their LOrd, born again, Cobe.

What? Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed, bro. Your wife sins ALL the time ! And ,will continue, you,too, will, but ,thank God, you are covered by His blood :)


LT, well said, bro !! Speak out in Love when your heart is led by the Spirit, and, as you say, regardless of topic of homosexuality or whatever, the Truth will become in the one , the Lord will CONVICT those that are having a hard time with something, something that is bringing them away from God, seperating them from Him. By the way, sin is simply seperating OURSELVES from God. So, we ALL sin all the time, it's in our DNA , but, again, we are covered by Christ's dying on that cross 2000 years ago, because of God's great Love, we are REDEEMED, by the blood of the Lamb ! :)
 
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Greenie name the sin my wife commit please. My wife is one of these people.....1 john 3:9.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And one of these... 1 John 5:18... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

And God did perfect HIS LOVE IN HER.... She is also one of these people.... But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Greenie, LT, all the sinners, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO..... Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Please stop spreading the Gospel of NO HOPE! Satan's Gospel about Jesus covering you with His Blood? Show me the verse I beg you show me the verse, that says JEsus calls sinner to be sinners.... And God does not complete a sinner to a HOLY GODLY MAN IN CHRIST....

Do you have a hope on Jesus, and a hope to be a Child of God... then PURIFY YOURSELVES AS HE IS PURE.....And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

How can an selfproclaimed IMPURE person teach other impure persons about the Gospel that make pure and perfect? Silly, that is what I think, SILLY to think God's salvation is not PERFECT!!!

It is NOT your job to be perfect, it is GOD'S job to make you perfect. But how can He do it if you do not BELIEVE HIM? He is the one that CAUSE you to be perfect... HE is the ONE...
 
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Peace be with you, as it is written; "Get thee behind me satan, you think like everyone else."

As it is also written; "GOD hates those who act like perverts."

Pervert in Spiritual Doctrine means, 'acting in a twisted manner, contrary to that is created natural, the truth, as initially created and Scripturally documented by the Living GOD. They consist of the elemental spirits (Romans ch. 1) of this world who represents the father of lies and deceive, in order to nullify what is Scriptural, Written and Truth.

Unbelievers need to know first about the Good News and Peace of the Living GOD through CHRIST, by our given Helper the HOLY SPIRIT. This is our Scripturally permitted 'desire' towards them, by continuing in CHRIST's Grace and Truth. Solely remaining/abiding in CHRISTly love and CHRISTly affection, according to the written New Covenant teachings which GOD gave and made with us, in order to represent the Kingdom of GOD by laying down our lives for a fallen people like us once before. This has been given to us because of GOD's Grace through faith, the freely given gift of GOD to us, so that using the same Grace we tell others the Truth that they shall not have to continue in ignorance and be punished later for their sins but can be forgiven now, like us if they turn back to GOD through CHRIST and also turn away from their worldly false spiritual and carnality practices and patterns which has polluted deceivingly the Temple of the Living GOD with unseen and unclean spirits which manifests deceivingly to fool this world into condemnation.
When this Temple, where only HIS SPIRIT suppose to live and help us all day by day in order to learn and grow to live and honor HIM our creator who is now in and through CHRIST manifesting to the world.

For the Good GOD through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT will to deliver, redeem, restore and sanctify HIS every lost, created and woven Temple again once and for all, for HIS use to minister Grace and Truth onto others. So that from now on they can be a part of us family of Grace and Truth, growing together in GOD's righteousness.

No. 1; How can someone unite with us when they do not have a beginning with us in the Gospel?

No. 2; How can you make them be comfortable, when they are in danger of condemnation?

No. 3; Why don't you move on ministering to others also those who are gay, who seek GOD's help to be free from their demonic oppression?

As it is written;
1. "Is CHRIST and satan friends."
2. "Is Light and darkness the same."
3. "Do we have anything in common."

To those who hate, remember once you were an enemy to the Living GOD like them, waiting to be destroyed together in hell. You and i have been shown unmerited favor and so show unmerited favor towards others. Do not provoke, challenge and dispute with them about righteousness but stay away from them and mind you own business in taking care of your own household first, which is the church (True Christians who worship the FATHER in spirit and truth).

True Christian do not hate gay but they stay away from them and the world, for they are taught not to wrestle against flesh and blood (even gay) but the spirit of false and deception, the power and principality of darkness that has initially housed in them and immediately cast them out and restore that person to normal and instruct them further to continue to seek first the Kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness.

As it is written for true Christians;
1. "Love is your guide and Love is your debt." (to GOD for fallen souls)
2. "Do not defeat evil with evil but rather defeat evil with Good."
3. "if your enemy is hungry give him food and if he is thirsty give him drink. This is like piling hot burning coals upon his head."

As it is also written: "If you feel sorry for the things of this world, you become in enmity with the Living GOD."

Be careful with our confessions because GOD can destroy our body and soul.
 
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If you deny Christ he'll deny you.
More likely the OP does not understand Christ being subsumed by worldly propaganda instilled by an antichrist State given over to the promulgation of idolatry and paganism.

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I John 3;6.
 
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Djjesus is correct. The bible was written to show that those of the past went through the same things. And where are they at now? DEAD!

Love has no form. So if we continue to judge by what we may perceive as wrong in homosexuality, then what in that famously quoted verse on such topics as these will we die for?

Love God is the first and greatest commandment. The second us like it because although we cannot see God, we can see each other. Simply to love one another as you do yourselves!
 
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we are not talking about whether one of us is going to Hell or not,
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It's something to give serious consideration to as we have been told
Luke 12:4-5
"I tell you, my friends,do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
Fear who then?
Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

and about the Spirit doing the correcting
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Who do you submit to then to do the correcting? If you say yourself then you have just attempted to exalt yourself to be equal to God thereby making yourself an idol having committed idolatry, so try a different answer.
The Holy Spirit is the one who comforts, advises and strengthens Christians, drawing them closer to Jesus Christ.
John 14
26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Everything he has said to us is in the bible. Read everything in it.


how do you know in your heart that im not right? do you perfectly understand the bible. No neither do I,
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We know you're not right because by your own admission you have just proclaimed you do not perfectly understand the bible.



im not saying that im right the reason I posted is because we can not understand the bible fully and again as I said before anyone who says that they do is a fool
Those who listen to him fully understand his words, because they understand from Gods perspective instead of their own.
They want Gods will over their own and nothing for themselves.
John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

How to be an obedient sheep
“Enter through the narrow gate.
For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Seek The Lord, and sin against him no more, that's all he asks