Recovering from the Matt. 28:19 Baptism formula. Pro-Christ Gentile save thyself.

[Gjolll]

baptism is a sign for men.

It's also a command of God.

 

[wordsponge]

Hello,

Thanks for your input.

Keep well.

 

[wordsponge]

It's also a command of God.

Thank you.
May Our Father see your fruit and prune you.
I think that I like you.

 

[thecreationtutor]

people read and posted to this diatribe?

 

[wordsponge]

so long as no one is trying to tell me i have no hope of salvation because i've never physically opened my mouth to speak while i was submerged underwater. . .

Hello,

I hope that you're joking.
The LORD said: "Your >> thoughts are heard louder than your words. in heaven"
Salvation was placed with the Apostles.
Follow them precisely and you will experience life with GOD and his Son.
David experienced life with Jesus only.

Acts.13
[26] Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham,
and whosoever among you >> feareth God,<< (the God attentive ones)
to you is the Word of this salvation sent.

The N.T. Team:

GOD >> Christ >> the Apostles until Christ, who is in us, physically returns.
Do good for yourself.

Take care

 

[wordsponge]

No

people read and posted to this diatribe?

Not everyone believed the Prophets.
Not everyone believed Christ.
Not everyone believed the Apostles.

I do and I follow them.
I am respectful to GOD and his ministers.
You have you own decision.
GOD gave you reasoning just like he gave to all.
The light will get stronger as the LORD approaches. Amen

Take care.

 

[wordsponge]

What exactly is the essence of “calling on Jesus under the water” to which if not done the water baptism is invalid? Sorry, but that’s silly, extra-biblical tradition. Nowhere in scripture does it say the baptisee ought to call on Jesus under the water otherwise they are just getting wet. You are just like the legalistic and divisive oneness Pentecostals who insist on water baptism in the name of Jesus only.

Hello,
I understand your position but this tradition has secrets.
People have been going for the 'wet only' for a long time.
Did Jesus hide his identity from the Jews?
How then did he expect them to believe?
I was where you are.
SWEAT (knocking) brought me here.
I am only trying to help.

Take care my friend.

 

[wordsponge]

Water Baptism is simply saying you have accepted Jesus Christ as you Lord and Savior, being baptized means you accept Jesus as you Lord and savior and will follow his teachings

Hello,

It is more than that when done correctly.
Jesus responds.
Much different from what we have been told.

 

[wordsponge]

Not according to the original greek (Nestle-Aland)

There are secrets in this Tradition.
This method gets a response from Jesus and is more than getting wet.
Our teachers are the Apostles.

Think about what is for your own good.

Jesus is "precious" as predicted.

The access is the problem.
The 'Gate' is smashed.

Satan was winning here.

 

[Stephen63]

Hello,

Grace to you.

What I'm saying is that if you call from >> under the water << Jesus responds to you,
anyother way and we get wet only.
It is good that you know that we must call on the name of the LORD Jesus.
Some people object to that.
Let us be reasonable.
It is obvious that people will question and ridicule so why would I say it?
I say it because it is the fact and it will help people.
People have been for generations, living without the Gifts and death.
Jesus gives the Gifts when we return directly to him as ordained.
If I give any more details then I will have more opposition.
There are people to whom this will make sense and they will comply.
The Spirit of GOD is responsible for gathering the people.

If you know that you have done what GOD requires of you
then do not be concerned.
Jesus said that we must enter through the 'Strait Gate.'
That is only ONE way.
I am not trying to force anyone to do anything but I desire to help.
Compliance, like honesty comes from "the inner parts."
My reward is not from people but I would like Salvation for all, as GOD is pleased to do.

Keep well brother.

The plan of salvation is only a 'mystery' to the unsaved. Paul stipulates that.

I am so perplexed why no one has dealt with the issue of 'adding' baptism to the plan of salvation! That is exactly what has happened here, making the word of God of none effect. "Having to be baptized" while calling upon the Lord is a action of adding works to God's plan. We are baptized AFTER we are saved, not DURING!

 

[wordsponge]

The plan of salvation is only a 'mystery' to the unsaved. Paul stipulates that.

I am so perplexed why no one has dealt with the issue of 'adding' baptism to the plan of salvation! That is exactly what has happened here, making the word of God of none effect. "Having to be baptized" while calling upon the Lord is a action of adding works to God's plan. We are baptized AFTER we are saved, not DURING!

Hello,

There is an orderliness the Jesus the king stipulated.

I follow the Apostles and things are very different.
I was where everyone is.
Christianity is not waiting to go to heaven.

The obedient people get it.

 

[Stephen63]

Hello,

There is an orderliness the Jesus the king stipulated.

I follow the Apostles and things are very different.
I was where everyone is.
Christianity is not waiting to go to heaven.

The obedient people get it.

Wouldn't be easier to tell us your beliefs instead of trying to sell us your core doctrines one at a time?

 

[wordsponge]

Wouldn't be easier to tell us your beliefs instead of trying to sell us your core doctrines one at a time?

Hello Stephen,

Thank you for a straight forward question clean of any insult.

To do what you have asked I would have to copy the N.T.

The Pictrure is as follows:

GOD our Father >> Jesus the Christ >> the Apostles >> until Jesus returns.

The Apostles are the Teachers for Our times.
Their names are still recorded in the Book.
The first Gentile believers were added by the Apostles.
Paul was sent to the Gentiles.
Most of his writings are still available.
If we repent = return/ come to Jesus and baptise calling upon him he responds...
I am disclosing the secret about calling him >> from under the water.
Christians hold the secrets from GOD.
Many things are written in code and spoken from mouth to ear.
I was like everyone else who believed my Teachers.
Going back to tha Apostles Doctrine is the answer.
That is the answer to your query.
I am not a Oneness believer.
The obedient get the blessings.
Start with correct baptism and enjoy the difference.
It was predicted that the majority would deny Jesus and they have done so starting at baptism.
When they denied him he denied them and Christians have been without GOD for generations.
Read the Acts and you will see the baptism calling on Jesus.
Then go from there.
It is worth your while.
I will answer your questions but anything that you have to experience I cannot explain.

Keep well.

 

[Stephen63]

If your doctrine is as infallable as you claim, stating your denomination shouldn't be a problem, eh?

 

[wordsponge]

If your doctrine is as infallable as you claim, stating your denomination shouldn't be a problem, eh?

Hello Stephen,
Do you know anyone who fully follows the N.T.
It is not the group but the loyalty to the Teaching and clecving to Christ.
If anyone performed the first two steps of return and baptism then he will know.
GOD is actually in people after baptism.
Do not for one minute think that such people are stupid.
It is the mystery of the faith.
Take the focus off me and follow the Apostles.
The massas are predicted to follow heresy.
Read the Epistles and step back and observe.
I'm still trying to help. Most people that I know gave up.
The fact is that if people do not care about their own welfare ,
you or I cannot do it for them.

Look after yourself.
Doing wrong even in church is still wrong and Jesus is nor respector of persons.

 

[Stephen63]

Hello Stephen,
Do you know anyone who fully follows the N.T.
It is not the group but the loyalty to the Teaching and clecving to Christ.
If anyone performed the first two steps of return and baptism then he will know.
GOD is actually in people after baptism.
Do not for one minute think that such people are stupid.
It is the mystery of the faith.
Take the focus off me and follow the Apostles.
The massas are predicted to follow heresy.
Read the Epistles and step back and observe.
I'm still trying to help. Most people that I know gave up.
The fact is that if people do not care about their own welfare ,
you or I cannot do it for them.

Look after yourself.
Doing wrong even in church is still wrong and Jesus is nor respector of persons.

Question: You received this doctrine from somewhere before you posted it on several websites......Where did you find it?

 

[wordsponge]

Question: You received this doctrine from somewhere before you posted it on several websites......Where did you find it?

Hello,

This Doctrine should be common knowledge for Christians.
This is what was preached after Christ ascended.
As the LORD approaches the light should get brighter.


Follow the Apostles:
Mark.16
[15] And he said unto them, (the Apostles)
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke.10
[16] He that heareth you (Apostles) heareth me;
and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Acts.2
[42] And they continued stedfastly in the >> Apostles' Doctrine and fellowship,
and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
[43] And fear came upon every soul:
and many >> wonders and >> signs (like Jesus) were done by the >> Apostles.

How many websites do you call several?
Are you a kind person who like to do good for others?
Do you share what you know and have?
What kind of person do you think that Jesus, who gave his life for others, was?
That is the kind of people that GOD desires to populate the planet.
People have to be alerted to what is happening.
Waiting to go to heaven is not it.
The first believers were glorified.

Matt.15
[13] But he answered and said:
Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

We need to ask our 'Bible' teachers where they got their Doctrine.
Jesus was opposed to the leaders who misled the common people.

Take it from here brother.
GOD is near everyone.
If you do not have the zeal then us some determination and get baptized.
Then you will know what GOD in you means.
All true Christians, like Christ, desire the Salvation of man.
GOD and Christ live and will fulfill their plan.

Take care

 

[Angela53510]

They're back!!!!

Oneness or United Pentecostals!

We have been through this many times in this forum. Please look up the threads, and see our answers. Oh wait, they wouldn't reveal who they were either.

Sad to study the Bible and come out as a cult thinking they are the only ones that are truly saved. May God change your hearts away from this legalism and heresy concerning Jesus and the Trinity. (Yes, I know that word is not in the Bible - just revealed again and again through the pages and the actions of Jesus, the people, the Pharisees, etc, etc!)

"Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” [SUP]14 [/SUP]God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’” [SUP]15 [/SUP]God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations." Ex. 3:13-15

"Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” [SUP]57 [/SUP]So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” [SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” [SUP]59 [/SUP]So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." John 8:56-59

Read your Bible! Stop worrying about some formula for baptism and instead seek Jesus, who is the revelation of God, and the great "I am"!

 

[Stephen63]

Your writing style & your topic style does not match...... Just curious where you got it. Should you expect anything less of a Berean?

 

[cfultz3]

Hello,

Grace to you.

What I'm saying is that if you call from >> under the water << Jesus responds to you,
anyother way and we get wet only.
It is good that you know that we must call on the name of the LORD Jesus.
Some people object to that.
Let us be reasonable.
It is obvious that people will question and ridicule so why would I say it?
I say it because it is the fact and it will help people.
People have been for generations, living without the Gifts and death.
Jesus gives the Gifts when we return directly to him as ordained.
If I give any more details then I will have more opposition.
There are people to whom this will make sense and they will comply.
The Spirit of GOD is responsible for gathering the people.

If you know that you have done what GOD requires of you
then do not be concerned.
Jesus said that we must enter through the 'Strait Gate.'
That is only ONE way.
I am not trying to force anyone to do anything but I desire to help.
Compliance, like honesty comes from "the inner parts."
My reward is not from people but I would like Salvation for all, as GOD is pleased to do.

Keep well brother.

Why do they have to call on His name while under the water? What if they called before or after the water?

Likewise, keep well Brother...

--Chris