What Laws are still valid to christians

[john832]

Will there be law in God kingdom why or why not ?

You and I both know this one...

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

And the Law that shall go forth is?

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

• Romans 6:14
  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace
  
• Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
  
  
  What is sin
  
  1john 3
  [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
  
  Therefore Paul is saying shall we continue to break God laws now that we are under grace God forbid
  
  if people will study the bible for themselves and let God teach them and not have people studying for them
  

False witness

 

[Isdaniel]

False witness

sweet but at the end of it all go make an idol an worship it then because we are not under law ok

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Seems like the grace keepers do not want to answer this question hmmm i wonder why

Because you're an annoying person who doesn't know when to stop asking questions.

 

[JGIG]

When you join the grace only crowd, there are certain passages you must rip from your Bible.

Romans 11:6
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
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-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

When you join the grace only crowd, there are certain passages you must rip from your Bible.

Hypocrite. I could probably list 10x the number of verses that you ignore.

HRFTD - That is TRUTH! Christ is the end of the Law, If you are led by the Spirit you are not under the Law, He set aside the first to establish the second . . . the list goes on and on.

And when those Scriptures are brought up, they begin to redefine Biblical terms to force meanings into texts that are simply not there.

Oh well. As is their choice =o/.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Only in the imagination of your mind. You truly don't have a clue what grace is.

I am pretty sure it is not license.

Where have we posted that Grace is license?

You seem to think that 'Grace people' walk around in a moral vacuum. They walk in light, freedom, and liberty; when sinning occurs, it gets dealt with and we move on. The Law drives sin underground; people hide in shame and condemnation and become judgemental and paranoid. I've seen it over and over and over again.

Christians sin under Grace; Christians sin under Law. Grace heals and restores; Law condemns and shames.

I choose Grace.

-JGIG

 

[timberdoodle]

Seems like the grace keepers do not want to answer this question hmmm i wonder why

You have no room to talk about answering questions. Most likely they do not answer your questions is because you haven't won their respect through honest discussion.

Timberdoodle

 

[Welshman]

The grace believers are not unable answer your questions isdaniel? They sick n tired of answering and you kindly swerving from replies then when its dne bk to you , you revert to sarcasm and insults? Who made you a teacher over many ? The hypocrisy and error in your posts is staggering so my advice to you is remove the plank in your own eyes before you seek to remove the speck in your fellow mans eye..but tell me who made you a teacher who made you right and all others wrong? My opinion is your stiffnecked still and few slaps across your face would do you some good your arrogance offends me and thank god for distance as for law keeping you sin with your mouth often so you've already broke all the law and are condemned by it, bt rather than face your issues you castigate faith n grace believers as licensed to sin.. Nonsense is wat you speak and discord is in your words not the love of Jesus?, the slapping I mention is hyperbole not a literal threat incase that's your first retort you and handful of others have worn patience of many and boasting you know more verse than another so what I know thousands myself so what big deal. See you in another 20 pages. No doubt...hypocrites of the highest thank god he blinded you in part lest you'd suffer the full guilt of your shame ? Remember the gospel was given to Gentiles cos of deafness and disobedience of the Jewish nation not that we're better people no but its obvious you couldn't reach the world and only by jealousy will you come again unto him who calls you ... Its law law law still with you, good luck pleasing Jesus with law.. You've failed already on this thread by error by insulting by false application for twisting context.. You wouldn't know grace if it hit you in the eyes man...

 

[Hizikyah]

Many people twist Shaul's words to their own destruction.

If you think Shaul taught against Yahweh's Law you are in this category.

Some people heard Shaul was teaching against Yahweh;s Law and Shaul and those around him meade it clear he did not teach this.

Young's Literal Translation - Acts 21:21 & 24, "and they are instructed concerning thee, that apostasy from Moses thou dost teach to all Jews among the nations, saying -- Not to circumcise the children, nor after the customs to walk." "these having taken, be purified with them, and be at expence with them, that they may shave the head, and all may know that the things of which they have been instructed concerning thee are nothing, but thou dost walk -- thyself also -- the law keeping."

Romans3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

You see one who worships in Spirit and truth follows Yahweh's Law, not to be saved but because he is saved.

Romans 2:4-11, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.”

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

 

[DecentGuy]

This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

I belive it is to respect , the Overseers & Deacons when they are preaching the word of God to the congregation.

God bless

Very nice quote ..God bless

 

[DecentGuy]

Where have we posted that Grace is license?

You seem to think that 'Grace people' walk around in a moral vacuum. They walk in light, freedom, and liberty; when sinning occurs, it gets dealt with and we move on. The Law drives sin underground; people hide in shame and condemnation and become judgemental and paranoid. I've seen it over and over and over again.

Christians sin under Grace; Christians sin under Law. Grace heals and restores; Law condemns and shames.

I choose Grace.

-JGIG

Wow @JGIG
but for thr grace of God, fantastic post

 

[zone]

Where have we posted that Grace is license?

You seem to think that 'Grace people' walk around in a moral vacuum. They walk in light, freedom, and liberty; when sinning occurs, it gets dealt with and we move on. The Law drives sin underground; people hide in shame and condemnation and become judgemental and paranoid. I've seen it over and over and over again.

Christians sin under Grace; Christians sin under Law. Grace heals and restores; Law condemns and shames.

I choose Grace.

-JGIG

i love ya, sistah

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 32:5
Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD." And you forgave the guilt of my sin.

 

[john832]

Where have we posted that Grace is license?

You seem to think that 'Grace people' walk around in a moral vacuum. They walk in light, freedom, and liberty; when sinning occurs, it gets dealt with and we move on. The Law drives sin underground; people hide in shame and condemnation and become judgemental and paranoid. I've seen it over and over and over again.

Christians sin under Grace; Christians sin under Law. Grace heals and restores; Law condemns and shames.

I choose Grace.

-JGIG

Very interesting. Without Law there is no sin, Paul tell us this in Rom 4:15 and 5:13. You are assuming that those of us who obey God believe that obedience justifies us.

I believe no such thing. Here is what I believe concerning justification...

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

It is not even my own faith that saves me, rather the faith of Christ, just as Paul shows in Eph 2:8.

So grace is applied when one breaks God's Law. It is the free, unearned, undeserved pardon for sinning against God.

Thos who believe that the Law is done away, that they do not sin, have no apreciation for the magnitude of the grace God extends to us when we sin. They have no appreciation of the cost of violating God's holy Law.

 

[DecentGuy]

I also like to refer to these as well...........

Galatians 3:6) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 .) Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 .) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 .) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 .) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 .) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 .) And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 .) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 .) That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 .) Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 .) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 .) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 .) For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 .) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 .) Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 .) Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 .) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 .) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And who wrote this, 2000 years ago...
Some guy who still thought the gods controlled the harvest?

Christian faith is the belief in helping others..period
Not some obscue script 2 millenia ago, in a different time and place
do you help your neighbour shovel his snow etc...then you are a christian, please dont copy/paste ancient scripture and claim it as your own

DecentGuy

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So grace is applied when one breaks God's Law. It is the free, unearned, undeserved pardon for sinning against God.

So basically you believe that a person is under law until they sin, and then are under grace for forgiveness, and then are under law again. Rinse and repeat.

 

[john832]

So basically you believe that a person is under law until they sin, and then are under grace for forgiveness, and then are under law again. Rinse and repeat.

No, you still don't understand. The Law defines sin. When one breaks the Law, sins, he is guilty. Unless this sin is repented of, he will suffer death. Upon repentance and Christ's forgiveness, he is now cleansed. Problem is one will never reach a point in the flesh when he does not sin. So, again, he must go to the High Priest and seek forgiveness. This is the job Christ is currently doing.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[homwardbound]

Law and Grace. They are mutually inclusive not exclusive.

So oil and water can be mixed yes it can truth there it can be. Yet when all, is calmed down with stirring the two together does the oil and water separate? Why Yes and if I do not understand physical analogies how will I ever understand Spiritual realities?

 

[Isdaniel]

The grace believers are not unable answer your questions isdaniel? They sick n tired of answering and you kindly swerving from replies then when its dne bk to you , you revert to sarcasm and insults? Who made you a teacher over many ? The hypocrisy and error in your posts is staggering so my advice to you is remove the plank in your own eyes before you seek to remove the speck in your fellow mans eye..but tell me who made you a teacher who made you right and all others wrong? My opinion is your stiffnecked still and few slaps across your face would do you some good your arrogance offends me and thank god for distance as for law keeping you sin with your mouth often so you've already broke all the law and are condemned by it, bt rather than face your issues you castigate faith n grace believers as licensed to sin.. Nonsense is wat you speak and discord is in your words not the love of Jesus?, the slapping I mention is hyperbole not a literal threat incase that's your first retort you and handful of others have worn patience of many and boasting you know more verse than another so what I know thousands myself so what big deal. See you in another 20 pages. No doubt...hypocrites of the highest thank god he blinded you in part lest you'd suffer the full guilt of your shame ? Remember the gospel was given to Gentiles cos of deafness and disobedience of the Jewish nation not that we're better people no but its obvious you couldn't reach the world and only by jealousy will you come again unto him who calls you ... Its law law law still with you, good luck pleasing Jesus with law.. You've failed already on this thread by error by insulting by false application for twisting context.. You wouldn't know grace if it hit you in the eyes man...

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 

[Isdaniel]

Romans 11:6
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
​

-JGIG

i wonder what this verse means

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.