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Hey Hoffco, my post was in response to a previous "challenge" of sorts to prove that "1000 years of man = 1 day to God" is a principle and not just poetry...but the conversation had since continued on this thread. She was just getting back to me about that. My attempt to prove Psalm 90:4 and 2 peter 3:8 as a principle was to lend support to a literally 1000 year reign occurring. Without proving that God has been governing the affairs of man in millennium time periods, the 1000 year reign can seem out of place.
But as far as the Sabbath = The Day of the Lord; I stand on Isaiah 58:13:
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NIV
The Lord's Day = The Day of the Lord (different way of writing the same possessive relationship)
So if God just called "the Lord's day" the Sabbath in this passage, then the Sabbath is "The Lord's Day" (i.e. The Day of the Lord).
...Of course, you're free to believe what you will but this is where I'm coming from.
But as far as the Sabbath = The Day of the Lord; I stand on Isaiah 58:13:
KJV
NIV
The Lord's Day = The Day of the Lord (different way of writing the same possessive relationship)
So if God just called "the Lord's day" the Sabbath in this passage, then the Sabbath is "The Lord's Day" (i.e. The Day of the Lord).
...Of course, you're free to believe what you will but this is where I'm coming from.
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it says nothing of the kind (i.e.: All Israel = All Jews/"Israel")
He already fulfilled the New Covenant....fully. that was NEVER dependent on all Israel believing.
if that was the case Jesus failed miserably the First Time He came....ALL Israel wasn't saved in His day.
it says if individual branches (this is an illustration) don't persist in unbelief, they can be grafted into the ONE TREE.
a tree has branches. plural.
one person = one branch.
the CONDITION?
belief.
CONCLUSION: individual people receive the Gospel; believe...enter the New Covenant; whether there is neither jew nor greek.
He already fulfilled the New Covenant....fully. that was NEVER dependent on all Israel believing.
if that was the case Jesus failed miserably the First Time He came....ALL Israel wasn't saved in His day.
it says if individual branches (this is an illustration) don't persist in unbelief, they can be grafted into the ONE TREE.
a tree has branches. plural.
one person = one branch.
the CONDITION?
belief.
CONCLUSION: individual people receive the Gospel; believe...enter the New Covenant; whether there is neither jew nor greek.
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Zone, unclefester, 1stillwaters, peacefulbeliever, can any of you or anybody else show me that the term 'remnant' pertains to any of the Gentiles who believed. This should be a simple thing if you have some proof from scripture. Some of you love to use Joel 2 for various kinds of justification and proof as to what you believe, even as to Pentecost, so I will quote Joel 2:32 and ask you to identify if the term 'remnant' refers to Gentiles. In fact I will give the context of the prophecy as well and let's see what you have to say.
18 Then was the Lord jealous for His land and had pity on His people (who are these being spoken of).
19 Yes, the Lord answered and said to His people, Behold, I am sending you grain and juice [of the grape] and oil, and you shall be satisfied with them; and I will no more make you a reproach among the [heathen] nations (who with and when did this take place).
20 But I will remove far off from you the northern [destroyer’s] army (who is the northern army) and will drive it into a land barren and desolate, with its front toward the eastern [Dead] Sea and with its rear toward the western [Mediterranean] Sea. And its stench shall come up [like that of a decaying mass of locusts, a symbol and forecast of the fate of the northern army in the final day of the Lord], and its foul odor shall come up, because He has done great things [the Lord will have destroyed the invaders]! (when did this happen)
21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice, for the Lord has done great things!
22 Be not afraid, you wild beasts of the field, for the pastures of the wilderness have sprung up and are green; the tree bears its fruit, and the fig tree and the vine yield their [full] strength.
23 Be glad then, you children of Zion (who are these), and rejoice in the Lord, your God; for He gives you the former or early rain in just measure and in righteousness, and He causes to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, as before.
24 And the [threshing] floors shall be full of grain and the vats shall overflow with juice [of the grape] and oil.
25 And I will restore or replace for you the years that the locust has eaten—the hopping locust, the stripping locust, and the crawling locust, My great army which I sent among you.(what is this speaking to)
26 And you shall eat in plenty and be satisfied and praise the name of the Lord, your God, Who has dealt wondrously with you. And My people shall never be put to shame.
27 And you shall know, understand, and realize that I am in the midst of Israel (could this be Israel or the church) and that I the Lord am your God and there is none else. My people shall never be put to shame (could this be Israel or the church).
28 And afterward, (could it be after what we read happens through verse 27) I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
29 Even upon the menservants and upon the maidservants in those days will I pour out My Spirit. (could this be talking just about Pentecost)
30 And I will show signs and wonders in the heavens, and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes.
32 And whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered and saved, for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the remnant [of survivors] shall be those whom the Lord call (what is referred to in the second part of this verse who shall escape and be delivered).
18 Then was the Lord jealous for His land and had pity on His people (who are these being spoken of).
19 Yes, the Lord answered and said to His people, Behold, I am sending you grain and juice [of the grape] and oil, and you shall be satisfied with them; and I will no more make you a reproach among the [heathen] nations (who with and when did this take place).
20 But I will remove far off from you the northern [destroyer’s] army (who is the northern army) and will drive it into a land barren and desolate, with its front toward the eastern [Dead] Sea and with its rear toward the western [Mediterranean] Sea. And its stench shall come up [like that of a decaying mass of locusts, a symbol and forecast of the fate of the northern army in the final day of the Lord], and its foul odor shall come up, because He has done great things [the Lord will have destroyed the invaders]! (when did this happen)
21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice, for the Lord has done great things!
22 Be not afraid, you wild beasts of the field, for the pastures of the wilderness have sprung up and are green; the tree bears its fruit, and the fig tree and the vine yield their [full] strength.
23 Be glad then, you children of Zion (who are these), and rejoice in the Lord, your God; for He gives you the former or early rain in just measure and in righteousness, and He causes to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, as before.
24 And the [threshing] floors shall be full of grain and the vats shall overflow with juice [of the grape] and oil.
25 And I will restore or replace for you the years that the locust has eaten—the hopping locust, the stripping locust, and the crawling locust, My great army which I sent among you.(what is this speaking to)
26 And you shall eat in plenty and be satisfied and praise the name of the Lord, your God, Who has dealt wondrously with you. And My people shall never be put to shame.
27 And you shall know, understand, and realize that I am in the midst of Israel (could this be Israel or the church) and that I the Lord am your God and there is none else. My people shall never be put to shame (could this be Israel or the church).
28 And afterward, (could it be after what we read happens through verse 27) I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.
29 Even upon the menservants and upon the maidservants in those days will I pour out My Spirit. (could this be talking just about Pentecost)
30 And I will show signs and wonders in the heavens, and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes.
32 And whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered and saved, for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the remnant [of survivors] shall be those whom the Lord call (what is referred to in the second part of this verse who shall escape and be delivered).
BradC.
you've been shown for years.
why not just do the studies yourself
you have no intention of accepting any other system than your own.
so you'll have to live with it.
just enjoy looking forward to those bloody animals sacrifices.
i guess if that sits well on your conscience, nothing is off limits.
bye now.
you've been shown for years.
why not just do the studies yourself
you have no intention of accepting any other system than your own.
so you'll have to live with it.
just enjoy looking forward to those bloody animals sacrifices.
i guess if that sits well on your conscience, nothing is off limits.
bye now.
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You both missed Paul's point: the point is ,WE vs THEY, GENTILES VS ISRAEL . ISRAEL cut off and WE: GENTILE nations are grafted in. Paul is not looking at the INDIVIDUALS grafted in, or cut off, BUT the GENTILES in, ISRAEL out; BUT, God can and will graft the nation of ISRAEL back in and the Gentiles will be cut off. If you have not noticed, no gentiles are saved after the rapture, only 144,000 Jews. SO, all the Jews ,on earth, will be saved when the Millenium begins. I can not see any evidence that anyone one is saved in the Millenium, BUT, I think God will save many in the Millenium, just because they obey the King(Jesus) and trust His Blood. Love to all, Hoffco
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Let's put all three references together so that you and others can get the picture.
Joel 2:28-31 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
Acts 2:17-21 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit;and they shall prophesy:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rev 6:12-17 [SUP] [/SUP]And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]17[/SUP][SUP] [/SUP]For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Joel 2:28-31 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
Acts 2:17-21 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit;and they shall prophesy:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rev 6:12-17 [SUP] [/SUP]And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[SUP]17[/SUP][SUP] [/SUP]For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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BradC.
you've been shown for years.
why not just do the studies yourself
you have no intention of accepting any other system than your own.
so you'll have to live with it.
just enjoy looking forward to those bloody animals sacrifices.
i guess if that sits well on your conscience, nothing is off limits.
bye now.
you've been shown for years.
why not just do the studies yourself
you have no intention of accepting any other system than your own.
so you'll have to live with it.
just enjoy looking forward to those bloody animals sacrifices.
i guess if that sits well on your conscience, nothing is off limits.
bye now.
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but.....you'll be gone for all that
this is painful to watch.
mind the gaps.
this is painful to watch.
mind the gaps.
so, will we be sacrificing animals down here....while you're in the air for 7 years?
or no....that part comes later.
after the Judgement.
then comes the Kingdom.
then Jesus gets to be King cuz da jews saw him coming in the clouds?
nooo.....the rapture was a secret.
there's nothing about piles of clothes and empty cars being the clue.
sooo.... it must be The Antichrist chasing us around that is the hint. he AoD the temple?
tsk.
i gotta get a life - this is ridonkulous.
FOR REAL
hahahahahaha......but - it's actually sad.
and kinda frightening.
this GAPSTER doctrine might even lead people to hell.
the mask is slipping.
it's nasty.
or no....that part comes later.
after the Judgement.
then comes the Kingdom.
then Jesus gets to be King cuz da jews saw him coming in the clouds?
nooo.....the rapture was a secret.
there's nothing about piles of clothes and empty cars being the clue.
sooo.... it must be The Antichrist chasing us around that is the hint. he AoD the temple?
tsk.
i gotta get a life
- this is ridonkulous.FOR REAL
hahahahahaha......but - it's actually sad.
and kinda frightening.
this GAPSTER doctrine might even lead people to hell.
the mask is slipping.
it's nasty.
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so, will we be sacrificing animals down here....while you're in the air for 7 years?
or no....that part comes later.
after the Judgement.
then comes the Kingdom.
then Jesus gets to be King cuz da jews saw him coming in the clouds?
nooo.....the rapture was a secret.
there's nothing about piles of clothes and empty cars being the clue.
sooo.... it must be The Antichrist chasing us around that is the hint. he AoD the temple?
tsk.
i gotta get a life - this is ridonkulous.
FOR REAL
hahahahahaha......but - it's actually sad.
and kinda frightening.
this GAPSTER doctrine might even lead people to hell.
the mask is slipping.
it's nasty.
or no....that part comes later.
after the Judgement.
then comes the Kingdom.
then Jesus gets to be King cuz da jews saw him coming in the clouds?
nooo.....the rapture was a secret.
there's nothing about piles of clothes and empty cars being the clue.
sooo.... it must be The Antichrist chasing us around that is the hint. he AoD the temple?
tsk.
i gotta get a life
- this is ridonkulous.FOR REAL
hahahahahaha......but - it's actually sad.
and kinda frightening.
this GAPSTER doctrine might even lead people to hell.
the mask is slipping.
it's nasty.
B
Amillennialist have so much problem with simple things because they have to make things fit into their mold of faith. To do this they repeatedly take those simple things and put a spiritual spin to convert them from objectivity to subjectivity to change the meaning, the intent, the time and the scope of the truth that is being communicated. This mocking and scoffing thing they do and the labeling of others as heretics and being unsaved, well that is a condition and expression of a depraved mind that lives and thrives off contrived intellectual stimulation that leads them into further strange doctrines and their own secret imaginations about the truth. This has a tendency to cause isolation in their life keeping others at bay for fear they may be contaminated with heresy.
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The thing that alerts me the most about the doctrine of amillennialist is the early emphasis that is put on water baptism that they believe involves regeneration. They believe that regeneration is transferred by proxy to the one baptized whether as an infant or adult. That doctrine is extremely deceptive and misleading and has nothing to do with the actual act of regeneration that comes through the Holy Spirit to the one who believes by faith unto the righteousness of God and is justified by the blood of Christ. That doctrine they hold onto could very well lead others to a false gospel, keeping them in unbelief and never being reconciled to God through the cross of Christ. Amillennialist need to purge out this leaven of false doctrine and come clean through repentance and never go back. The spirit put that on my heart this morning and I decided to post it just as I did. If you are going to say the Spirit did no such thing, then you are going to make him a liar according to your own understanding and accuse me of not having the Spirit and your going to do it with a spirit of mocking.
I agree that infant baptism is the practical outworking of the difference between 2 systems of thought, but the reality is, baby dedications are the Baptist equivalent to infant baptism in Reformed circles. Of course baptismal regeneration in Catholic thought or baptism for salvation is heresy.
But I appreciate the sentiment. May we be united in the cleansing blood of Christ, the confession of faith, and the imputed righteousness that justifies and saves.
But I appreciate the sentiment. May we be united in the cleansing blood of Christ, the confession of faith, and the imputed righteousness that justifies and saves.
what gospel?
what christ?
not every creature gets the gospel...you said it was never promised to israel.
there's your 3 mystery groups again.
israel the wife on the earth sacrificing animals for the father god
the bride in heaven with the son doing you don't know what.
and mystery people on the earth also.
The Jewish nation is never to enter the Church - John Nelson Darby: CHECK
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2.2 A Distinction Between Israel and the Church
Dispensationalists believe that God has two separate but parallel means of working - one through the Church, the other through Israel (the former being a parenthesis to the latter).[[6]] Thus there is, and always will remain, a distinction, 'between Israel, the Gentiles and the Church.'...: CHECK
Christian Zionism: Dispensationalism And The Roots Of Sectarian Theology
hypocricy to pretend to preach the true gospel to jews, since you don't really believe it's for them: CHECK
war mongering 'for Israel' (when that's the last thing israel needs): CHECK
not taking the gospel to the nations as commanded: CHECK
what else? absolute confusion: CHECK
what christ?
not every creature gets the gospel...you said it was never promised to israel.
there's your 3 mystery groups again.
israel the wife on the earth sacrificing animals for the father god
the bride in heaven with the son doing you don't know what.
and mystery people on the earth also.
The Jewish nation is never to enter the Church - John Nelson Darby: CHECK
....
2.2 A Distinction Between Israel and the Church
Dispensationalists believe that God has two separate but parallel means of working - one through the Church, the other through Israel (the former being a parenthesis to the latter).[[6]] Thus there is, and always will remain, a distinction, 'between Israel, the Gentiles and the Church.'...: CHECK
Christian Zionism: Dispensationalism And The Roots Of Sectarian Theology
hypocricy to pretend to preach the true gospel to jews, since you don't really believe it's for them: CHECK
war mongering 'for Israel' (when that's the last thing israel needs): CHECK
not taking the gospel to the nations as commanded: CHECK
what else? absolute confusion: CHECK
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"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."- Matt 28:19, 20
II. The Christian Consensus
For nearly two thousand years almost all who profess to be followers of Christ have sought to obey His command quoted at the head of this article. Through the centuries various groups have worked out differing traditions as to when, who, why, and how candidates are to be baptized.
Nevertheless there is a very broad consensus: People have universally made contact with water in a rite signifying that they are Christians or that they are meant to be brought up in the Christian faith.
III. The Current Exceptions
Perhaps the handful of exceptions to the practice of water baptism constitutes an example of what is popularly called "the exception that proves the rule."
Three groups in contemporary Christendom, one harking back to the seventeenth century, and two from the nineteenth, have chosen not to believe in or practice water baptism at all. Two of these, the Society of Friends (popularly called "Quakers") and the Salvation Army, have been very active in valuable social work.
The third group, generally identified as a ultra-dispensationalists" (though obviously not their own chosen designation) rests on such subtle "dividing" of the Scriptures as to attract chiefly those of an intellectual bent to their circle of fellowship
The Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society
II. The Christian Consensus
For nearly two thousand years almost all who profess to be followers of Christ have sought to obey His command quoted at the head of this article. Through the centuries various groups have worked out differing traditions as to when, who, why, and how candidates are to be baptized.
Nevertheless there is a very broad consensus: People have universally made contact with water in a rite signifying that they are Christians or that they are meant to be brought up in the Christian faith.
III. The Current Exceptions
Perhaps the handful of exceptions to the practice of water baptism constitutes an example of what is popularly called "the exception that proves the rule."
Three groups in contemporary Christendom, one harking back to the seventeenth century, and two from the nineteenth, have chosen not to believe in or practice water baptism at all. Two of these, the Society of Friends (popularly called "Quakers") and the Salvation Army, have been very active in valuable social work.
The third group, generally identified as a ultra-dispensationalists" (though obviously not their own chosen designation) rests on such subtle "dividing" of the Scriptures as to attract chiefly those of an intellectual bent to their circle of fellowship
The Journal of the Grace Evangelical Society
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Water baptism is available to all believers without exception, not for regeneration but for those who have been regenerated. That is the 'BIG' difference. The one already regenerated follows the Lord through water baptism, but the one who is baptized for the purpose of being regenerated without trusting in the blood of the cross is lead astray into a belief system that takes away from justification in the blood of Christ.
Zone, don't get all caught up in your tirades about animal sacrifices because baptismal regeneration is your error and an enemy of the cross that you adhere to and it belongs to the Lutherans as well as other denominations. This is a tragedy of error that many amillennials hold on to and put into practice because of fear and not being able to trust that God will bring faith through conviction into the heart of the one they want to have sealed and regenerated through water baptism. That is what's going on in your doctrine of baptismal regeneration and it removes any volition on the part of the individual and it substitutes a proxy salvation that is imputed to them through the faith of others. We believe and pray that others will come under conviction when they have a capacity to understand salvation through hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ, but we can not impute anything unto them through our faith by proxy or through water baptism for the purpose of regeneration or salvation of their soul.
Amillennialist also do not believe in the catching away of the church body prior to the second coming because of fear that is rooted in unbelief. They believe that salvation is directly related to their system of doctrine and if they believe otherwise their salvation is at risk. They may have the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified but it's the doctrine that goes with the gospel they fear will send others to a lost eternity. They live in fear and try to substitute trusting God with other tangible things, like water baptism, according to their understanding to secure acceptance and approval with God.
Q - What security of doctrine did the publican have in (Luke 18:13,14) when he asked God to be merciful to him a sinner? The only thing he knew through convicted was that he was a sinner in need of God's forgiveness through mercy. He was not afraid to ask nor trust that he would received what he believed God for and went home justified. I would not be a bit surprised if that is how many were justified by faith in the old testament under the law which revealed sin and under the baptism of John the Baptist as they confessed their sins through an act of repentance. Abraham also believed God against himself and it was imputed unto him for righteousness, David likewise Rom 4, James 2:23. There are many that believe the finished work of Christ but because of a lack of full assurance they add to it to have another form of security, just in case it was not enough. Others believe that you have to stop sinning altogether to show you are saved and others believe that you must be baptized or speak in tongues. All of these things that add to the blood are rooted in fear and insecurity that comes from a flesly and carnal mind that has never abandoned itself to the blood of the cross.
Zone, don't get all caught up in your tirades about animal sacrifices because baptismal regeneration is your error and an enemy of the cross that you adhere to and it belongs to the Lutherans as well as other denominations. This is a tragedy of error that many amillennials hold on to and put into practice because of fear and not being able to trust that God will bring faith through conviction into the heart of the one they want to have sealed and regenerated through water baptism. That is what's going on in your doctrine of baptismal regeneration and it removes any volition on the part of the individual and it substitutes a proxy salvation that is imputed to them through the faith of others. We believe and pray that others will come under conviction when they have a capacity to understand salvation through hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ, but we can not impute anything unto them through our faith by proxy or through water baptism for the purpose of regeneration or salvation of their soul.
Amillennialist also do not believe in the catching away of the church body prior to the second coming because of fear that is rooted in unbelief. They believe that salvation is directly related to their system of doctrine and if they believe otherwise their salvation is at risk. They may have the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified but it's the doctrine that goes with the gospel they fear will send others to a lost eternity. They live in fear and try to substitute trusting God with other tangible things, like water baptism, according to their understanding to secure acceptance and approval with God.
Q - What security of doctrine did the publican have in (Luke 18:13,14) when he asked God to be merciful to him a sinner? The only thing he knew through convicted was that he was a sinner in need of God's forgiveness through mercy. He was not afraid to ask nor trust that he would received what he believed God for and went home justified. I would not be a bit surprised if that is how many were justified by faith in the old testament under the law which revealed sin and under the baptism of John the Baptist as they confessed their sins through an act of repentance. Abraham also believed God against himself and it was imputed unto him for righteousness, David likewise Rom 4, James 2:23. There are many that believe the finished work of Christ but because of a lack of full assurance they add to it to have another form of security, just in case it was not enough. Others believe that you have to stop sinning altogether to show you are saved and others believe that you must be baptized or speak in tongues. All of these things that add to the blood are rooted in fear and insecurity that comes from a flesly and carnal mind that has never abandoned itself to the blood of the cross.