For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[overcomer2]

I'll go on record here as saying that keeping the Sabbath is no more or less important than keeping the other nine. If one breaks any one in particular, he is guilty of all...

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So my choice that keeping the Sabbath is necessary for salvation must be understood from the viewpoint that keeping any and all of the Commandments is necessary for salvation...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Thank God for His mercy and grace.

I'll second that.

 

[masha]

We should learn to pray God to help us to understand when we read the Bible.Jesus gave alot of examples to the people by that time, and even now we seems to read and understand what we want.for example is not what we eat or drink will take us to heaven but most of us we keep on following such lows which will not take us anywhere cos we shall be judged for how we have been in the world. jesus want us to love everyone us we love our self. but lows will not take us anywhere.

 

[Rockbysea]

Sabbath is made for man. How would a God loving man utilize it?

Use it the way you believe God wanted it to be used when it was originally instituted through the old national contract with the physical nation of Israel. There are other Sabbaths that were instituted through the old national contract that you might like to observe and also feasts days. And they all have great meaning. If I was living back in those days I would want to serve as close to the Tabernacle as possible. And I would consider it a tremendous honor to be of the smallest assistance to the high priest. But today you will find that the more Sabbaths and feasts you observe the more inconvenient they may become because those commands under the old national contract were created for an entire nation to simultaneously observe not for the individual living in Babylon.

For the individual residing in Babylon our Lord came to the rescues almost 2,000 years ago with a new and better contract. The new and better contract involved Him allowing Himself to be tortured to death so that the individual in Babylon might experience even greater blessings than the individual living within the physical nation of Israel.

 

[Rockbysea]

I'll go on record here as saying that keeping the Sabbath is no more or less important than keeping the other nine. If one breaks any one in particular, he is guilty of all...

But there are more than 10 commandments under the old national contract. You just can’t take the 9 with the one Sabbath and ignore all the other Sabbaths, feasts and ordinances that if not observed were all punishable by death as well.

But you won’t do that will you…. Because you can’t keep them so you take it upon yourself to usurp God’s authority and alter the old national contract to suit your convenience and then you try to shove what’s convenient for you down the throats of others.

You're gonna need God’s mercy and grace

 

[Isdaniel]

But there are more than 10 commandments under the old national contract. You just can’t take the 9 with the one Sabbath and ignore all the other Sabbaths, feasts and ordinances that if not observed were all punishable by death as well.

But you won’t do that will you…. Because you can’t keep them so you take it upon yourself to usurp God’s authority and alter the old national contract to suit your convenience and then you try to shove what’s convenient for you down the throats of others.

You're gonna need God’s mercy and grace

What commadment will you say Adam and Eve broke ?

Was Adam and Eve shewd gace or mercy ?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Oh it makes a lot of difference. The New Covenant is made with Israel. Israel was given the Sabbath as a perpetual sign. The Israel of the New Covenant will still be keeping the sign.

Part two of your statement, the New Covenant is the writing of the Law in our hearts and minds. The Torah is written in our hearts and minds and that includes the Sabbath.

Opinion stated as fact. The sabbath was a covenant and a law. Christ fulfilled all covenants that GOD had with Israel, as well as the law.

 

[chubbena]

Use it the way you believe God wanted it to be used when it was originally instituted through the old national contract with the physical nation of Israel.

It's a day off given by the boss out of love since the beginning of time. Israelites were reminded of such once they came out of slavery. It's never meant to be a burden for them but rather a relief. I look at North America today we in general work 5 days a week so I consider it a blessing. Unfortunately many of us still don't get enough rest and show up at work on Monday morning exhausted. Why? There's simply too much to take care of during the weekend but why?

There are other Sabbaths that were instituted through the old national contract that you might like to observe and also feasts days. And they all have great meaning.

If I have the luxury to put those days aside to find out the meanings does not make me a legalist, does it?

If I was living back in those days I would want to serve as close to the Tabernacle as possible. And I would consider it a tremendous honor to be of the smallest assistance to the high priest.

Those are the good old days when life was simple. We in North America have the choice to live simple and serve the Lord too. It's our choice.

But today you will find that the more Sabbaths and feasts you observe the more inconvenient they may become because those commands under the old national contract were created for an entire nation to simultaneously observe not for the individual living in Babylon.

We could come out of Babylon if we wish. To me (I can't speak for others) the inconvenience came from the attachment to this world. Once I realize nothing in this world lasts forever and stop pursuing them I find much time left during the weekends.

For the individual residing in Babylon our Lord came to the rescues almost 2,000 years ago with a new and better contract. The new and better contract involved Him allowing Himself to be tortured to death so that the individual in Babylon might experience even greater blessings than the individual living within the physical nation of Israel.

And He offered a way to come out of her. It`s all vanity and it`s tiring.

 

[RuthHannah]

What commadment will you say Adam and Eve broke ?

Was Adam and Eve shewd gace or mercy ?

I think Adam and Eve steal , covet,commited idolitry, Dishonour their parents .

Many may not agree with me but Eve lied or decieved Adam into taking the fruit her eyes were opened first thus she knew evil and what she did was wrong . But not Adam poor man was decieved by her.

note not the devil but by Eve

God shewed them grace and mercy the lamb He slained represented Jesus thus grace were imparted

but i could be wrong but this is what i understand

 

[RuthHannah]

Opinion stated as fact. The sabbath was a covenant and a law. Christ fulfilled all covenants that GOD had with Israel, as well as the law.

How did Joseph know this was a sin ?

What sin was this

Thankies

[h=3]Genesis 39:7-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How did Joseph know this was a sin ?

What sin was this

Thankies

[h=3]Genesis 39:7-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
10 And it came to pass, as she spake to Joseph day by day, that he hearkened not unto her, to lie by her, or to be with her.

The holy spirit in his heart witnessed with his conscience that it was evil.

 

[RuthHannah]

The holy spirit in his heart witnessed with his conscience that it was evil.

dont you think Abraham taught him these things instead ?

 

[chubbena]

But there are more than 10 commandments under the old national contract. You just can’t take the 9 with the one Sabbath and ignore all the other Sabbaths, feasts and ordinances that if not observed were all punishable by death as well.

But you won’t do that will you…. Because you can’t keep them so you take it upon yourself to usurp God’s authority and alter the old national contract to suit your convenience and then you try to shove what’s convenient for you down the throats of others.

You're gonna need God’s mercy and grace

I`d just focus on the weekly Sabbath here.
The Israelites were not punished to death. Indeed they were allowed to go on living in prosperity for quite a while. During that time God sent various prophets to warn but they wouldn`t listen. At the end God gave them what they wanted - to live in a land which would not give them rest. c.f. Jeremiah 29 & 2 Chronicles 36.
Mercy and grace are promised through Isaiah before it happened. c.f. Isaiah 43 & Isaiah 52.
He is the promise.

Now let`s look at us.
We in North America once lived in prosperity and rest. We in general used to have 2 days off every week. Things are changing fast now. You are Canadian so you probably remember the no sunday shopping law. We wanted more shopping time so we got sunday shopping. Then we wanted even more shopping time so supermarket and malls now open extended hours. We wanted more convenience so banks now open on weekends and late hours. The whole society follow suit. We`ve made this Babylon happened. There seems no turning back.

 

[chubbena]

Opinion stated as fact. The sabbath was a covenant and a law. Christ fulfilled all covenants that GOD had with Israel, as well as the law.

So the whole world can now work, work and more work and have no physical rest. Christian business owners could make his employees work harder than ever as long as they pay them fair. Yes, work seven days a week. Work extended hours. Work 24/7. Work until you drop for we have spiritual rest in Christ.

 

[Rockbysea]

Those are the good old days when life was simple. We in North America have the choice to live simple and serve the Lord too. It's our choice.

There was a time when I thought those were the good ole days too. I yearned to be living back in those days instead of today. But that yearning quickly went away when I was given infinitely more than I could have ever had back then.

It’s not a sin to observe commands under the old national contract. But using the old national contract as an instrument of terror to frighten individuals into believing that all their good works and faith in Christ will only get them a sure place in a fiery hell because they didn’t rest one day a week from sunset to sunset.... is a cruel act of spiritual terrorism.

 

[chubbena]

There was a time when I thought those were the good ole days too. I yearned to be living back in those days instead of today. But that yearning quickly went away when I was given infinitely more than I could have ever had back then.

It’s not a sin to observe commands under the old national contract. But using the old national contract as an instrument of terror to frighten individuals into believing that all their good works and faith in Christ will only get them a sure place in a fiery hell because they didn’t rest one day a week from sunset to sunset.... is a cruel act of spiritual terrorism.

I wasn't threatened into taking time off and I threaten no one but if anyone threatens me because of what I do or don't then it's my right to say my piece but then it's taken as threats so I'm in a no win situation taking time off but that's ok.

 

[Rockbysea]

I`d just focus on the weekly Sabbath here.
The Israelites were not punished to death. Indeed they were allowed to go on living in prosperity for quite a while. During that time God sent various prophets to warn but they wouldn`t listen. At the end God gave them what they wanted - to live in a land which would not give them rest. c.f. Jeremiah 29 & 2 Chronicles 36.
Mercy and grace are promised through Isaiah before it happened. c.f. Isaiah 43 & Isaiah 52.
He is the promise.

Now let`s look at us.
We in North America once lived in prosperity and rest. We in general used to have 2 days off every week. Things are changing fast now. You are Canadian so you probably remember the no sunday shopping law. We wanted more shopping time so we got sunday shopping. Then we wanted even more shopping time so supermarket and malls now open extended hours. We wanted more convenience so banks now open on weekends and late hours. The whole society follow suit. We`ve made this Babylon happened. There seems no turning back.

Actually the Babylon was forced upon the world and the world is ignorantly facilitating it which is why the only way out of Babylon is through the narrow gate (Christ) which is the true Sabbath rest. Placing great importance in the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath will block the narrow gate and prevent a person from entering that true rest.

When one enters that true rest they will soon discover that they have real privileges that others in Babylon do not have and it’s these privileges that Satan wants to keep people from discovering. When one enters that rest through the narrow passage way it’s like stepping off the entire planet. They will find that they are now among the very few and along with that come incredible perks…. perks that are beyond what one can receive from men. They receive diplomatic status because the Kingdom of God is real Kingdom and the King of that Kingdom will send high level emissaries to the high level authority of the kingdoms of this world with one message: "Hands off". When this happens the child of God will soon discover that all the crap that the Babylonians are going through… like some of the stuff you mentioned, does not come anywhere near him and everyday blends into one big Sabbath Day.

 

[zone]

But there are more than 10 commandments under the old national contract. You just can’t take the 9 with the one Sabbath and ignore all the other Sabbaths, feasts and ordinances that if not observed were all punishable by death as well.

But you won’t do that will you…. Because you can’t keep them so you take it upon yourself to usurp God’s authority and alter the old national contract to suit your convenience and then you try to shove what’s convenient for you down the throats of others.

You're gonna need God’s mercy and grace

Hebrews 13
9Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited. 10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When this happens the child of God will soon discover that all the crap that the Babylonians are going through… like some of the stuff you mentioned, does not come anywhere near him and everyday blends into one big Sabbath Day.

Temporal distinctions are for the carnal. Abiding with Christ is like one long eternal day.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So the whole world can now work, work and more work and have no physical rest. Christian business owners could make his employees work harder than ever as long as they pay them fair. Yes, work seven days a week. Work extended hours. Work 24/7. Work until you drop for we have spiritual rest in Christ.

I believe in the US (and probably Europe and Canada), there are national laws that prohibit that kind of abuse, so your point is pointless.

 

[Isdaniel]

dont you think Abraham taught him these things instead ?

Genesis 18:19For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Genesis 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, mycommandments, my statutes, and my laws.