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RuthHannah

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to be honest everyone is picking stuff that does not add up where is the command to go on a sunday or saturday

if i am to take meeting as a command then from my research saturday meetings far outweighs the sunday meetings Why :confused:
i am new but if there is no command to keep sunday and staurday meeting far outweigh sunday meeting i think i have to rethink sunday honestly

i am open to learn Sunday church is cool but i am not seeing a command Why :confused:

The apostles broke bread it was a customary thing
what about the times they broke braed lets just say one was on a saturday then what ?

only once it mentioned on the first day Why :confused:

This is the reason why i delayed reading the bible you all makre it confusing :confused:
 
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RuthHannah

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do you have to have a commandment in the Law meet daily?
it says they met every day.

take it up with them.

or...ask the slave-tutor-school-master-teacher-pedagogue.
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this is what I am saying yiou said they met and it imply the 1st day whay not apply the same principle to saturday which ha more meetings than Sunday Why :confused:
 
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RuthHannah

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Elin said:
Co
Mark it well indeed.

Wrong.

The Book of the Covenant referred to the civil laws of Ex 20:22-23:19,
as well as the stipulations of Ex 20:2-17, 23:20-30, and not to ceremonial laws,

Yes, that was confirmation of the Sinaitic Covenant,
not the ceremonial laws which had not yet been given.
The Covenant was not confirmed until

after their first pledge to obey and keep the Covenant (Ex 19:8), and

after their second pledge to obey the Lord's words and laws of Ex 20:2-23:30 (Ex 24:3),
which were not ceremonial laws, and

after the cutting of the covenant (Ex 24:6) with an altar representing the Lord, and twelve pillars representing the twelve tribes, probably with Moses walking between them as mediator (Ex 24:4-6), and

after the people pledged a third time to obey the laws (Ex 20:2-23:30) in the Book of the Covenant
(Ex 24:7), which were not ceremonial laws, but civil laws,

when the Covenant was then confirmed by the blood of the Covenant sprinkled on the people.

The ceremonial law was not given until later in Leviticus, from the Tabernacle.

From the Tabernacle indeed! . . .Ex 25:2; Lev 1:1; Nu 7:89

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When di God give Moses the instruction to build the tabernacle ?
I am just talking about the tabernacle
I am still reseaching the ceremonial laws etc
 
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Elin

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Isdaniel said:
To Elin

Deuteronomy 4:5-14 King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lordour God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thylife: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when theLord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.
11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
13And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
14And the Lord commanded me at that time ( the same time on the mount ) to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

You will note the first set of precepts and statutes were given on Mt Sinai at the same time the law was given
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And you will note those statutes and laws are the civil laws of Ex 21:1-23:19, 25:1-31:18, 35:1-4, and are not ceremonial laws.

God gave Moses the tables of stone while the angel gave Moses the book for the services of the tabernacle
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Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that angels gave Moses the ceremonial laws on Sinai.

However, what is stated in Scripture is that God gave the ceremonial laws to Moses in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:2; Lev 1:1; Nu 7:89).

You should know this.
 
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Elin

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Isdaniel said:
What is the Ceremonial Law?

When God
led​
the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, He delivered to them in fiery majesty the Ten Commandments. This Holy law was spoken by God, written by God, recorded on tables of stone, and is of eternal duration.

At the same time the ceremonial law, of temporary usage, was also delivered to the children of Israel. This law dealt with the ceremonial rites of the Jewish sanctuary
service​
, and concerned itself with a system of religion that passed away at the cross. Large sections of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy describe in detail this temporary law.
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And Leviticus includes not only the sacrificial laws of the sanctuary, but also the food laws and the purification laws not associated with the sanctuary.

The ceremonial law can easily be identified in scripture. It talks about circumcision (a
religious Jewish​
rite), sacrifices, offerings, purifications, holy days and other rites associated with the Hebrew sanctuary service.
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It also talks about food laws and purification laws not associated with the sanctuary service.

You should know this.
 
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Elin

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Isdaniel said:
If the Israelite sinned, he broke the first law. To make atonement for his sin he had to obey the second law.
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Hockey puck.

The Israelite could also sin by breaking the second law (Lev 5).

As can be clearly seen, here are two very distinct laws of which this fact is unmistakable. Jesus Christ permanently took the place of law number 2 when He cried out “It is finished” and bowed His head and died. When the unseen hand tore the temple curtain from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51), this signified that this sacrificial law system was once and for all time nailed to the cross.
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Not so.

When the temple curtain was torn from top to bottom, it signified the way into the Most Holy Place (God) was now opened to all by faith in the death of Christ Jesus (Ro 3:25).

And Scripture does not state the ceremonial law was nailed to the cross, but that is was abolished on the cross (Eph 2:15).
 
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Elin

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Isdaniel said:
Dear Elin

Is it lawful to go to church on a sunday ?
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Whose law we talkin' 'bout?

If by "lawful," you mean "not against the laws currently on the books," then in this country it is "lawful" to go to church on Sunday.
 
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Elin

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RuthHannah said:
Are there any commands to go to church on a sunday in the Nt ?
I know everyone does it but is there a verse that says so
all i know we do because it is said that Jesus rose on sunday but
are there any verse that says so to go to church on a sunday :confused:
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No, but we are not to forsake the assembling together (Heb 10:25), and Sunday happens to be the day we do it, and I like doing it on that day.
 
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Isdaniel

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Elin said:
Whose law we talkin' 'bout?

If by "lawful," you mean "not against the laws currently on the books," then in this country it is "lawful" to go to church on Sunday.
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Well you are right about what lawful means therefore applying your same principle What did when Jesus mean by the below verses

Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or todo evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Luke 6:9Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?


This is not about keeping sabbath or sunday

just did he mean that is all
 
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Elin

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RuthHannah said:
When di God give Moses the instruction to build the tabernacle ?
I am just talking about the tabernacle
I am still reseaching the ceremonial laws etc
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Instructions for building it were given in Ex 25:1--31:11, and it was built in Ex 35:30--40:38.
 
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Isdaniel

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Elin said:
Instructions for building it were given in Ex 25:1--31:11, and it was built in Ex 35:30--40:38.
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these instructions were given on the Mount hmm you said God gave moses the civil law on the mount right well shew me when moses got this law about the tabernacle before he came down from the mount


  • Exodus 25:9According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and thepattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
    Exodus 25:8-10 (in Context) Exodus 25 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  • Exodus 25:40And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.

    Hebrews 8:5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
 
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Isdaniel

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Elin said:
Hockey puck.

The Israelite could also sin by breaking the second law (Lev 5).


Not so.

When the temple curtain was torn from top to bottom, it signified the way into the Most Holy Place (God) was now opened to all by faith in the death of Christ Jesus (Ro 3:25).

And Scripture does not state the ceremonial law was nailed to the cross, but that is was abolished on the cross (Eph 2:15).
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colosians 2 and ephesisna addresses the same thing

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
 
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Isdaniel

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Elin said:
And Leviticus includes not only the sacrificial laws of the sanctuary, but also the food laws and the purification laws not associated with the sanctuary.


It also talks about food laws and purification laws not associated with the sanctuary service.

You should know this.
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did you not read large secions of the books
 
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Isdaniel

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Elin said:
And you will note those statutes and laws are the civil laws of Ex 21:1-23:19, 25:1-31:18, 35:1-4, and are not ceremonial laws.


Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that angels gave Moses the ceremonial laws on Sinai.

However, what is stated in Scripture is that God gave the ceremonial laws to Moses in the Tabernacle (Ex 25:2; Lev 1:1; Nu 7:89).

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lets see what the angels gave him then

[h=3]Acts 7:50-53[/h]King James Version (KJV)

50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the HolyGhost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.


Note God spoke the commandments to the whole assembly but angels gave Moses the ceremonila laws etc
 
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