For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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Righteousness is identified through the law, but humans just aren't good enough to be righteous simply because they have the God given capability to identify it whether saved or not. If we deny the law there is no identification to know how to become Christlike, for all Christ did before His death was during the Old Testament, and the covenants previous to the one Jesus would ultimately fulfill.
Sabbath was always for gentiles also, and you cant say their culture kept a babylonian calendar so it really hard for them thus they didnt have to.
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Preached, preached...
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until Yahchanan, since that time the Kingdom of Yahweh is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Yahweh;s endtime people keep His Laws.
Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until Yahchanan, since that time the Kingdom of Yahweh is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Yahweh;s endtime people keep His Laws.
Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
If I may add to this thought, here is the place to use an oft quoted and nearly universally misunderstood scripture...
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Now the word for end is...
G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Christ was a living example of the Law...
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
So, since He was the goal, the point of aim and...
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
We should aim for the same point.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Now the word for end is...
G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
Christ was a living example of the Law...
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
So, since He was the goal, the point of aim and...
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
We should aim for the same point.
The Gentiles in Greece and Turkey had the law before the apostles.
1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Galatians 3:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24[/SUP] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25[/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 3:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
The dispersed Jews, centuries before, were scattered throughout the Gentile regions, and had the writings of Moses which were introduced to the Gentiles. The Gentiles had the law several hundred of years before the time of Jesus time on earth.
1 Peter 1:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Galatians 3:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24[/SUP] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25[/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 3:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
The dispersed Jews, centuries before, were scattered throughout the Gentile regions, and had the writings of Moses which were introduced to the Gentiles. The Gentiles had the law several hundred of years before the time of Jesus time on earth.
Yahweh is worshipped on the Sabbath, oblation is an offering,
How are you connecting oblation/offering ceasing to the 7th day Sabbath?
So you are saying they worshiped a grain offering?
And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'
I think your lost, I know Im lost trying to understand what you could be thinking....
How are you connecting oblation/offering ceasing to the 7th day Sabbath?
So you are saying they worshiped a grain offering?
And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'
I think your lost, I know Im lost trying to understand what you could be thinking....
Acts 20
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
The disciples sure did meet on the first day of the week to break bread.
How hard is it to understand that the SABBATH WAS NOT SET ASIDE AS A CERTAIN DAY OF WORSHIP. It was set aside as a day of REST. Please show from scripture that says no one is to worship on a Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday or Friday. What has been done is people have changed what the Sabbath was set up FOR.
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
The disciples sure did meet on the first day of the week to break bread.
How hard is it to understand that the SABBATH WAS NOT SET ASIDE AS A CERTAIN DAY OF WORSHIP. It was set aside as a day of REST. Please show from scripture that says no one is to worship on a Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday or Friday. What has been done is people have changed what the Sabbath was set up FOR.
Of course we should aim for Christ. He is the whole point. And the example that he left, and commands that he gave, are to live by the spirit. He didn't live by law; he lived by following the holy spirit. Living by the spirit fulfills anything required by the law because the spirit is the author of the law.
Sabbath was always for gentiles also, and you cant say their culture kept a babylonian calendar so it really hard for them thus they didnt have to.
What???? I didnt divert, I showed, with Scripture the Sabbath is and always has been for gentiles also.
Who cares about a different culture, if one wants to worship Yahweh they do what Yahweh says.
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Where did the disciples show the hindus how to properly worship cows?
OK so what do with this when Paul distinctly says the GENTILES DO NOT HAVE THE LAW
Romans 2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
If they were not given the law on the Sabbath then HOW were they to know HOW to keep the Sabbath with the differences within the two cultures?
Romans 2
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
If they were not given the law on the Sabbath then HOW were they to know HOW to keep the Sabbath with the differences within the two cultures?
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There is a difference between the Law of Moses and the law of Christ. The law of Moses was taken away at the death of Jesus. Mose said to the people that there would be another prophet and they would have to hear him. Acts 3:22-26. Show a commandment under the new covenant that says to keep the sabbath day holy?
This poll question bothered me and before I get started with my answer I just want to say that I have not yet read the 51 pages of responses to this thread yet and will do so when I am finished. This poll question reminds me of another question.
Honey, does this dress make me look fat? How do you answer without causing an argument? My mind screams - don't do it- it is a trick question. But - here goes.
If I answer yes - then I must be a legalist.
If I answer no - then I give my permission to worship on any day of the week.
If I answer its too complicated to answer here - then its a cop out on my part.
So how does one answer this poll question? My answer is to click on all the answers and here is why.
If the Sabbath was a testing issue such as there being a law not to worship on the 7th day Sabbath - like the 3 Hebrew men were ordered to bow down to a golden statue and worship it. They showed their loyalty to God by not bowing down to it even at the risk of their own lives. They were thrown into a fired up furnace 7 times hotter than originally fired. I would have to say yes it might have something to do with my salvation. Because I would be being forced to make a decision and my Bible tells me I must obey God rather that man.
I would say no - I realize that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus death on the cross and my acceptance of His sacrifice and faith that His blood covers me is my salvation. Salvation is only through Jesus. A day of worship or even if I go to church or not will not save me. Just as my good works won't save me either because all of my good works are as filthy rags. My Bible tells me so.
It's complicated - only because we have made it so. God says if you love Me keep my commandments. For me the 7th day Sabbath is the 4th in His list of 10 written by His finger in stone. Jesus came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. When He died on the cross the sacrificial system was done away with but it is said that not one jot or tittle will be changed. Written with Gods finger on stone is pretty permanent. I'm learning to love God and my hearts desire is to keep His commandments and to become more and more like Jesus. I want to share the gospel with others, I'm tired of living in this sin sick world and I want all of us to go home and back to the garden of Eden state where we can live and walk and talk with God and become what God intended for us to be in the first place before sin entered this world. There you have my thoughts - come and get me.