Theory of Evolution

[buckets]

@ buckets

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1.) -- This isn't some conspiracy where people start to think evolution true so they don't have to believe in god and then go out and do whatever they want . . .
2.) -- Evolution isn't concerned with first causes or creation, but with how species adapt and change over time.

Please provide EVIDENCE, not arguments against evolution.

This has nothing to do with evolution.

That's fine and good.

This is a great example of science improving and becoming more and more precise. The first two 'examples' happened before the advent of the scientific method, so, really, they're comparable to giants and other folk-explanations.
And as for god being always right . . . well . . . that's a matter of faith and really can't be argued against since you're going to be super-adamant about it.

I understand that things adapt and evolve
If that is the whole Theory of Evolution fine so be it
If claiming that life evolved from a puddle of ooze that's crazy
The comments about Darwin being a fruit loop do have to do with evolution he's the first goof ball to think man evolved from apes

And yep science improves and gets some things right many actually

I guess I don't get the question
Things adapting doesn't disprove God created them

God and things evolving can coexist

 

[buckets]

You either beleive and deny God or you don't, there is no inbetween.

I think what he meant was things can evolve

Like humans used to be shorter now we are taller that kind of evolution is true
Now did we come from monkeys heck no

God created the heavens and earth and gave animals the ability to adapt and survive

 

[nathan3]

Also, the only kind of evolution you see on earth, is with what man dose.

He started out living in a cave, until he learns how to build a Mansion . Man starts with a small canoe, and then builds a expensive yacht .

But compared to nature its self. It continues on like it has from the beginning of its creation. The bird continues to build its nests as they have since the beginning.

The frog, starts out as a little baby tadpole , it grows and pushes out some legs and arms ,until , hey look its a Turkey .


Animals continue as they always have done for billions of years even.


The animals even look the same ,since the beginning and fossils show his also.


So isn't it about time, people put Evolution to rest ? You have a lot of good scientist. And then you have a lot of bad scientist, that really don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[SarahM777]

You either beleive and deny God or you don't, there is no inbetween.

Kerry,

Microevolution by strict definition does occur. All it is stating is that genetic changes occur. Breeders,animal husbandry,and crop production use it to breed certain traits.

What is microevolution?

Microevolution is simply a change in gene frequency within a population. Evolution at this scale can be observed over short periods of time — for example, between one generation and the next, the frequency of a gene for pesticide resistance in a population of crop pests increases. Such a change might come about because natural selection favored the gene, because the population received new immigrants carrying the gene, because some nonresistant genes mutated to the resistant version, or because of random genetic drift from one generation to the next.


What is microevolution?


It is stated for one reason that way,it's to make those who do not believe in MACROEVOLUTION look stupid because we believe that God created the plants and animals to do exactly that. The definition of microevolution is a set-up to dismiss creationists outright because it makes us look foolish to say it say it doesn't happen,yet by strict definition it does happen. Never mind the CREATED the animals and plants to do exactly that.

Part of the problem is NOT understanding HOW people define things.

 

[nathan3]

Horseshoe crabs date back almost 450 million years. 200 million years before dinosaurs existed. Yet, they show No change.
There is adaptation to environment, but no change from within and out to something different.


Lets look at a very old horseshoe crab fossil from the time of, or before the dinosaur

This ones about 100 million years old.


today :

A picture speaks a thousand words. But this is not the only horseshoe crab fossil . They all show no change.

And there are many examples from plants to incests. No change.


For evolution also to be a reality, it must be a unending, eternal process. You should be able to find ample evidence to where its not just a theory. But a fact. You don't see that because its a lie.

 

[nathan3]

I'll also add this fact, there is No transitional form between any of these fossils either. No transitional fossil record. Just what has always been.

There have been billions of fossils found . And there are billions more to be found. They all show No transition, no change. This is a cold hard , fossilized fact.

 

[nathan3]

Lets take baby animals for example; that rely solely on their mothers milk to survive at birth.

How did their offspring survive before mammary glands developed? If those changes take millions of years to develop , how could those animals offspring survive ?

 

[zone]

Hello Cycel, Awesome DP btw! it's true. They have no knowledge of evolution what-so-ever and it's painful to watch them try to disprove what they don't even know.

hi Yeshy,
could you please link me to 3 or 4 of your best sources?
thank you.

 

[zone]

@ zone
Well that's the thing, 'zone,' we do know how species evolve and adapt and change over millions of years. Natural selection.

No, I don't see anything wrong . . . Of course I'm no astrophysicist, so . . . I'm guessing there is something allegedly wrong with it though, right? . . .

I PERSONALLY do not know.

This is some in-depth stuff that, once again, I'm not equipped to judge on. I frankly don't know..

@ zone
Well that's the thing, 'zone,' we do know how species evolve and adapt and change over millions of years. Natural selection.

somebody appears to "know"; and you simply choose to believe them.
you personally do not know.
fair?

...

(how come y'all are "18"? junior college Christmas break, and you're trying out your evolutionary wings)

 

[zone]

1.) -- This isn't some conspiracy where people start to think evolution true so they don't have to believe in god and then go out and do whatever they want . . .

up next: Multiverse Multiverse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which is the only (il)logical conclusion of the Big Bang and evolution.
so why not just jump forward to the ridiculous end and realize it's a mind-game.

2.) -- Evolution isn't concerned with first causes or creation, but with how species adapt and change over time.

sorry - cop-out.
not good enough.

Please provide EVIDENCE, not arguments against evolution.

nooooo, you must provide evidence for it...(and a reasonable theory of first cause).
real evidence, not theories.
if you have no reasonable theory of first cause, you have exactly zero.

 

[Yeshy]

hi Yeshy,
could you please link me to 3 or 4 of your best sources?
thank you.

Sure. 1: Evolution Is A Fact [AronRa Mirror] - YouTube ( if you want to know the other 3, try Aronra. He explains and simplifies it well enough. Good luck. )

 

[nathan3]

Crinoids : Their fossils have been dated back over 300 to 400 million years old.

Yet, you can find these alive today with no change


The fossils :
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And living with no change :

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These are just a small example .

 

[zone]

Sure. 1: Evolution Is A Fact [AronRa Mirror] - YouTube ( if you want to know the other 3, try Aronra. He explains and simplifies it well enough. Good luck. )

thanks very much but i prefer reading.
any reading material?
meanwhile, i'll google Aronra.

 

[nathan3]

The Fig wasp :

4 images of fig wasps with arrows pointing to the pollen pockets. The 34-million-year-old fig wasp fossil is at top left (magnified x200), a modern fig wasp is at top right (x400), a 20-million-year-old specimen preserved in amber is at bottom left (x200), and a confocal microscope image showing pollen grains is at bottom right (x200).

The fossil was found on the Isle of Wight in England more than 100 years ago, and first identified as an ant, has now been correctly identified as a 34-million-year-old fig wasp. It is the oldest known fig wasp fossil. The wasp is almost identical to the modern species, which proves that this tiny but specialized insect has remained virtually unchanged for that many years.

Science will try to explain these away. In one form or another . They can only claim to cover but so much ground, But God is the only one who can cover all ground.

He spoke, and nothing became everything .

 

[Cycel]

Actually, Darwin was just a guy.............in fact, he graduated from University, and held a degree. And it really must tick off the atheists-evolutionists too...........because his degree was from the Cambridge School of Theology...........yup! Darwin's ONLY degree was in Theology...........

He studied medicine, geology, and natural science and in fact received a well rounded scientific education, for a Victorian, which meant he was well qualified to conduct the work he did. He studied Natural Theology, as opposed to Revealed Theology, thus all of his educational emphasis was on the sciences.

 

[Cycel]

The Fig wasp :
"The wasp is almost identical to the modern species..."

Science will try to explain these away.

What exactly do you think needs to explained away?

 

[Cycel]

Crinoids : Their fossils have been dated back over 300 to 400 million years old.

Yet, you can find these alive today with no change

Some beautiful fossils here. Can you provide me a source that confirms there has been no change at all in contemporary forms? I would be looking for a reputable scientific source that says they are identical to the fossils. Do you accept that there was a selective mass extinction of these organisms during the Permian, some 298 million years ago? You want to disprove evolution, it seems, but you present me with ancient fossil life. You must be an Old Earth Creationist?

 

[Cycel]

up next: Multiverse Multiverse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which is the only (il)logical conclusion of the Big Bang and evolution.
so why not just jump forward to the ridiculous end and realize it's a mind-game.

You know, the idea of the multiverse seems completely plausible to me. Just a few hundred years ago it was believed our solar system was the sum total of the universe. The stars were just lights in the sky. At the beginning of the 20th century it was though our galaxy was the universe. Then we learned the universe comprised billions of galaxies. Is it so implausible to think our universe might itself be only one of billions? Seems like a natural progression to me. I don't have any evidence for it, but at the same time I can't imagine what would preclude the possibility either.

 

[Cycel]

Lets take baby animals for example; that rely solely on their mothers milk to survive at birth.

How did their offspring survive before mammary glands developed? If those changes take millions of years to develop , how could those animals offspring survive ?

Interesting question, one to which I don't have an immediate answer. Though I find your question intriguing it's not going to cause me to question evolution. The evidence is just too overwhelming in all other areas. The Genesis account does not explain the fossil bearing strata and the Noah's Ark account raises too many problems. Frankly, Noah’s Ark sounds more like a fable. No part of its story strikes me as plausible.

In answering your question I'm thinking we should look at the platypus. It's an egg laying mammal. The young first are nurtured on the egg yolk within their shells and then when they hatch they lap the milk their mother excretes through the pores of her skin. She has no nipples as do all the female mammals we are familiar with. Its genome was published in 2008 and the results are fascinating. It possess “both reptilian and mammalian elements, as well as two genes found previously only in birds, amphibians, and fish. More than 80% of the platypus' genes are common to the other mammals whose genomes have been sequenced.” (see Wikipeda: Platypus)

To answer your question we need to find the ancestors of the platypus (a reptile-like mammal). You know it might be that just as birds feed their helpless young, with whole insects or even regurgitated food, the ancestors of the mammals may have done the same thing. The earliest mammals, I think, were insectivores. Genetics might tell us whether milk producing glands were co-opted from another bodily function. Perhaps the first mammals simply secreted milk as does the platypus and perhaps it was initially only a supplementary food source for the young.

I should point out that this is all off the top of my head, with the exception of the information on the genome of the platypus. So if evolutionary biologists have already looked into this and I have given the wrong answer, please don’t come down of me too hard. I think I will do some more reading on this. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[dcontroversal]

All I can say to the foolishness of Evolution (as means of all coming into existence) is the following.
1. If people want to believe they came from monkeys or some electrified pool of sludge of proteins then have a ball.
2. God "cut, formed and fashioned " man from the dirt of the ground and then breathed into his nostrils the breath of "lives" plural in Hebrew
3. Wisdom is justified of her children
4. No God, no accountability sums up what it is all about.