For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Hamster]

Psalm 105:5-11

King James Version (KJV)

5 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
6O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
7 He is the Lord our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
8He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:



Hmm what is a mazing is that the promise tha Abraham has we hve them also hmmm we are the seed of Abraham hmmm
look at verse 8 hmm do you still want to be the seed of Abraham hmmm to a 1000 generation


Each covenant God made was magnified on the promises He made with Abraham to the minute to shew the deeper things

The covenant with david is the same conveanant yet different in that the promises were magnified a king on the throne

Deut. 5:1-33 Verse 3, The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. Verse 6, I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
13. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16. Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

 

[Isdaniel]

killing, stealing, lying and etc Principle of the 10 commandments are the same in the new covenant, but the ten commandments were given only to the the Children of Israel (Jacob's) children. Moses said "The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day."

read psalm 103 my friend hmm the devil broke all God commandments hmm where no law is there is no sin hmmmm

lets review the devil was the first to sin in the heavens lets review his case shall we

idoltry he claim to be god
lying to angels
stealing
coveting
dishonouring well cant call God his Father anymore but you get the point
taking God name in vain hmm
murder Jesus said it
spiritual adultry
hmmm lets just say he broke the record
The law existed in the heavens before man

hmm do you think angels use to keep sabbath ? hmm note I put it as if when sabbath was in the days of Israel

 

[Hamster]

What is ironic is that you say it is new covenant hmm well but with the same promises

Hmm what does the bible mean when it says new hmmmis the administration hmm

same thing just a different way of ministration that is through the Holy Spirit which God always waten but Jesus had to die first

Deut. 5:1-14 Are you the children of Jacob that came out of Egypt?

 

[Hamster]

read psalm 103 my friend hmm the devil broke all God commandments hmm where no law is there is no sin hmmmm

lets review the devil was the first to sin in the heavens lets review his case shall we

idoltry he claim to be god
lying to angels
stealing
coveting
dishonouring well cant call God his Father anymore but you get the point
taking God name in vain hmm
murder Jesus said it
spiritual adultry
hmmm lets just say he broke the record
The law existed in the heavens before man

hmm do you think angels use to keep sabbath ? hmm note I put it as if when sabbath was in the days of Israel

Was the ten commandments a covenant with the Children of Israel?

 

[Isdaniel]

Deut. 5:1-14 Are you the children of Jacob that came out of Egypt?

lets see hmmm yip I am a child of Jacob hmm A seed of Abraham hmm

does This apply to Jacobs Children or can it apply to you also hmmm Why or Why Not
Psalm 105:12-15

King James Version (KJV)

12 When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it.
13 When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people;
14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes;
15Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

 

[Hamster]

Was the ten commandments a covenant with the Children of Israel?

Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

 

[just-me]

The bible does not say it was given under the new covenant neither was the other nine hmmm they all were given in the old and magnified in the new hmmm

They were still under the old Law ! The old law with its commandments ended at Christ's death, we still have the old testament for our learning. All scriptures were given.....

How can we believe what Jesus said if the law is ended, or has stopped being effective?

How can we minister to the lost when we are deprived from this God given established law be lead them to Christ?

Where is the schoolmaster for those people who haven't received Christ as their Savior yet?

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

John 5:45-47 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Hamster]

Was the ten commandments a covenant with the Children of Israel?

Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Lets see if the old covenant which was the law of Moses, taken away.

Jer. 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[Hamster]

How can we believe what Jesus said if the law is ended, or has stopped being effective?

How can we minister to the lost when we are deprived from this God given established law be lead them to Christ?

Where is the schoolmaster for those people who haven't received Christ as their Savior yet?

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

John 5:45-47 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The Law of Moses were their school master not ours!

A new Covenant has been made...

Heb 8:6-13 Verse 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Isdaniel]

Was the ten commandments a covenant with the Children of Israel?

hmmm lets see Deuteronomy 4:13And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.hmm interesting isnt it


hey i will be back my internet is moving very slow it frustration it does this now and then so hope yo can tell me how the devil sin without law hmmmm

His covenant did Israel have a coveanant hmmmm

 

[just-me]

Lets see if the old covenant which was the law of Moses, taken away.

Jer. 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Lets see if the old covenant which is not the law of Moses has been taken away.

Leviticus 26:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

1 John 2:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

There were several covenants in the Old Testament, and they were not the law. God made a covenant with David called the salt covenant, and that was established after the law. He made a covenant with Noah seen as a rainbow, and we see it all over in nature today, and that was before the law. The law and covenants are not the same. The laws are instructions for commandments to be manifested by our actions. If the law has been taken away we wouldn't have anything to be placed in our hearts. Can't fill a container with nothing and call it full.

 

[Isdaniel]

Lets see if the old covenant which was the law of Moses, taken away.

Jer. 31:31-34 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

What a new covenant with the same laws hmmmmm please explain that

Hmm but we were not at Mt sinai does this apply to us today also the laws being wriiten in our hearts and minds hmmmm
I wonder what paul has to say about this

 

[just-me]

The Law of Moses were their school master not ours!

A new Covenant has been made...

Heb 8:6-13 Verse 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Just because you receive something new that's different from the old, doesn't mean the giver demands you to throw away what you had previously. Speaking of the schoolmaster, the Galatians were Gentiles, same as us. I repeat, what tool, given to us by God, do you lead others to Christ, as long as you have destroyed what God has established for that purpose of leaded others to Him? I read nothing in the Bible that says we are to use something else today. Both today, and then are after the New Covenant was established by Christ. Nothing has changed with us different than the Galatians.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If the law has been taken away we wouldn't have anything to be placed in our hearts. Can't fill a container with nothing and call it full.

So is this what it really boils down to? Unbelief to such an extent that it can only see letters of the law, and denies the holy spirit dwelling in the heart of believers?

 

[Hamster]

hmmm lets see Deuteronomy 4:13And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.hmm interesting isnt it


hey i will be back my internet is moving very slow it frustration it does this now and then so hope yo can tell me how the devil sin without law hmmmm

His covenant did Israel have a coveanant hmmmm

Yes friend God made a covenant with Israel! 1 Kings 8:9-21 Verse 9, There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

 

[Hamster]

Just because you receive something new that's different from the old, doesn't mean the giver demands you to throw away what you had previously. Speaking of the schoolmaster, the Galatians were Gentiles, same as us. I repeat, what tool, given to us by God, do you lead others to Christ, as long as you have destroyed what God has established for that purpose of leaded others to Him? I read nothing in the Bible that says we are to use something else today. Both today, and then are after the New Covenant was established by Christ. Nothing has changed with us different than the Galatians .

Justme, the book of the law we have for our learn, but it is not the covenant we keep! Lets go to galatians 3...

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[just-me]

Just because you receive something new that's different from the old, doesn't mean the giver demands you to throw away what you had previously. Speaking of the schoolmaster, the Galatians were Gentiles, same as us. I repeat, what tool, given to us by God, do you lead others to Christ, as long as you have destroyed what God has established for that purpose of leaded others to Him? I read nothing in the Bible that says we are to use something else today. Both today, and then are after the New Covenant was established by Christ. Nothing has changed with us different than the Galatians.

If the law was of no effect after the new covenant through Christ, Paul would never said that it was Spiritual, and holy and the commandment holy, just and good. I think you believe what Paul wrote don't you?

Romans 7:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

It's not the Word of God that has changed, it's us who were once dead in our sins and now alive in Christ who have changed.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If Jesus created all things, who do you think gave the law to Moses if the Father and the Son are one.

Colossians 1:12-19 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

 

[just-me]

Yes friend God made a covenant with Israel! 1 Kings 8:9-21 Verse 9, There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the Lord made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.

If you read the Bible close, the tables of stone are instructions for the priesthood and the building of the temple, not the ten commandments. The ten commandments were the very first of the law given, and much more reading in Exodus chapters 20 thru 23. Moses wrote then down after telling Israel what God had said. They were moral laws. The tablets of stone were given to Moses starting 2 days after that in the time frame of 40 days and 40 nights. Starting in chapter 25.

 

[Hamster]

If the law was of no effect after the new covenant through Christ, Paul would never said that it was Spiritual, and holy and the commandment holy, just and good. I think you believe what Paul wrote don't you?

Romans 7:12-14 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

It's not the Word of God that has changed, it's us who were once dead in our sins and now alive in Christ who have changed.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If Jesus created all things, who do you think gave the law to Moses if the Father and the Son are one.

Colossians 1:12-19 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

I think you are misunderstanding what Paul said......Did you read Heb. 8:6-13?

Romans 7:5,6 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

 

[Karraster]

So is this what it really boils down to? Unbelief to such an extent that it can only see letters of the law, and denies the holy spirit dwelling in the heart of believers?

Hit a nerve I see. Not full? What is lacking? Ask of God, He alone can fill you.