How to keep the Sabbath.

[WomanLovesTX]

Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead

This regurgitated law-cultist talking point needs to stop. The law itself has not been destroyed, but its authority has been rendered void in those who believe in Christ.

Originally Posted by danschance

The law worshipers can't see that it has been changed. I think they are under a delusion about the law.

Law worshipers? regurgitating? No authority from what is holy, just, good, and spiritual? If the law is God's Word, how are we all suppose to esteem it?
John 1:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

When the law was put in your heart did it change, or did your heart change the law when it was put there?
Jeremiah 31:33b (KJV)
[SUP]33b [/SUP]I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

It is irritating to spar back and forth in a never ending conversation trying to convince people that we have it right, when you know very will within your heart that others will never be in aw of your great knowledge, and will never have the incentive to see the truth because we are so busy to get people to listen to us rather than God's word. One last question concerning this scripture in Daniel. Who is wearing out the saints and thinking to change times, and laws?
Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

If a person cannot understand the spiritual relevance to the law, there should develop in the heart a fear. Hebrews mentions “a change,” in the Priesthood, and that High Priest said nothing else would be taken from it. You who are against the law only see the physical, and carnal aspects of the law, or a least that’s the way it comes across to those that read your comments. If one can’t see this, there should be a fear inside us that becomes very prevalent. Wisdom is lacking here.
Proverbs 9:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy isunderstanding.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Preserving God's Word in our hearts destroys the enmity. Change the originality of the Word and create the enmity. Your choice. "Abolished" is the word, and I repeat…. "abolished" is the word. The word "powerless" is not in the KJV that I read, and I quoted the KJV. Now the word "powerful" is.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I think that the writer of Hebrews was referring to the scrolls that were available at that time. Let the Word of God cut down the enmity in your heart by having it revealed by the Mosaic Law as it was originally written and not "changed."

Don't be like the Mercedes Benz that verbalizes that your door is ajar when it's still a door. Open the door and get in, then consume what is in the jar. Could be the jar holds wine, and the old wine is really good.


Leviticus 26:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
This describes “the abolishing of the enmity”, and lo and behold, it is written in the Mosaic Law for Christ’s sake for it to be fulfilled as intended.

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, “even is an added word, better understood as “revealed by”)the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


Quote the scripture correctly by adding the 16th verse so as to understand the 15th verse. "Enmity" is abolished. If the law were abolished then that which our Lord and Savior fulfilled is also gone, and the fulfillment of something that doesn't exist makes that fulfillment grounded on nothing. Fulfill is not to abolish, and "end" is to complete the entire plan, and all the materials it took to make it work.

You just talk nonsense. You really don't know what you're talking about. You can't even understand the very basic clear definitions of the words when they are displayed in front of you, and then you try to twist their meanings to mean what you want them to say. Paul aptly described people like you when he said:

The goal of our instruction is love out of a pure heart, a good conscience, and sincere faith, from which some have deviated having turned aside into vain talk, wanting to be teachers of the law, not understanding either the things which they are saying nor the things which they are speaking confidently. 1 Timothy 1:5-7​

That describes you perfectly.

 

[just-me]

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


By adding the 16th verse to the 15th verse, "Enmity" is abolished, not the law of commandments containing ordinances. If the law were abolished then that which our Lord and Savior fulfilled is also gone, and the fulfillment of something that doesn't exist makes that fulfillment grounded on nothing. Fulfill is not to abolish, and "end" is to complete the entire plan, and all the materials it took to make it work.

I thought it beneficial to re-quote these verses, so as to refute the misinterpretation that causes confusion, and to focus on what these two verses really reveal in truth. See post #440

 

[just-me]

You just talk nonsense. You really don't know what you're talking about. You can't even understand the very basic clear definitions of the words when they are displayed in front of you, and then you try to twist their meanings to mean what you want them to say. Paul aptly described people like you when he said:

The goal of our instruction is love out of a pure heart, a good conscience, and sincere faith, from which some have deviated having turned aside into vain talk, wanting to be teachers of the law, not understanding either the things which they are saying nor the things which they are speaking confidently. 1 Timothy 1:5-7​

That describes you perfectly.

Touche!! Let those that want the truth see the reality of scriptures presented. Back to ya man. I could say exactly the same thing about you. LOL
Love ya anyway. Jesus is the Creator of all in Colossians chapter 1. Is our Savior a double minded One?

James 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

He will never change what was established from the beginning.

 

[Josh321]

accept Jesus and indeed you shall be at rest, Jesus said come to ME not come to a day to rest ME as in himself if you desire to be at rest[h=3]Matthew 11:28[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

28 Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Touche!! Let those that want the truth see the reality of scriptures presented. Back to ya man. I could say exactly the same thing about you. LOL

That just demonstrates how out of touch with reality you are. I don't teach the law; you do.

 

[just-me]

accept Jesus and indeed you shall be at rest, Jesus said come to ME not come to a day to rest ME as in himself if you desire to be at restMatthew 11:28

New Living Translation (NLT)

28 Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.

Acts 18:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

That's right. I don't think anybody is advocating that we come to a certain day. No one has the power of days and nights and when a certain day will be. We all wait for what God has given with expectation. Paul did on the Sabbath day as it was intended to be used for all of us. It was ordained, and set aside by God, for us to use properly as a gift from above.

Mark 2:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Look up "convocation" in the Old Testament, and see how many times it is related to "Sabbath." Jesus is Lord over what God has given, and then define for yourself the word "convocation".

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


By adding the 16th verse to the 15th verse, "Enmity" is abolished, not the law of commandments containing ordinances. If the law were abolished then that which our Lord and Savior fulfilled is also gone, and the fulfillment of something that doesn't exist makes that fulfillment grounded on nothing. Fulfill is not to abolish, and "end" is to complete the entire plan, and all the materials it took to make it work.

I thought it beneficial to re-quote these verses, so as to refute the misinterpretation that causes confusion, and to focus on what these two verses really reveal in truth. See post #440

What you presented is from the King James bible. What I presented was a literal translation from the Greek. Here I'll include verse 16:

For [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jew and gentile] one, destroying the middle wall of the barrier, the enmity, in his flesh;

having abolished the law (nomos) of commandments (entoles) contained in ordinances (dogmas);

that of the two he should make in himself one new man, so making peace. And should be reconciling both in one body to GOD through the cross, killing the enmity in it [the cross]. Ephesians 2:14-16​

Clearly the enmity has been destroyed (killed), not abolished (rendered ineffective). Are you not able to comprehend the basic meanings of words? Or is that you don't want to?

 

[just-me]

That just demonstrates how out of touch with reality you are. I don't teach the law; you do.

With study, you will see that Jesus taught it, and rightly defined it. It centers around loving each other the way He loves us.

Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

It's the law. I rest from foolish rhetoric with you. With the law of Love, may God bless you with wisdom, but that takes a righteous fear.

 

[Josh321]

Acts 18:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

That's right. I don't think anybody is advocating that we come to a certain day. No one has the power of days and nights and when a certain day will be. We all wait for what God has given with expectation. Paul did on the Sabbath day as it was intended to be used for all of us. It was ordained, and set aside by God, for us to use properly as a gift from above.


Mark 2:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Look up "convocation" in the Old Testament, and see how many times it is related to "Sabbath." Jesus is Lord over what God has given, and then define for yourself the word "convocation".

oh really now? instead of going forward... you keep going back [h=3]Colossians 2:16[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

With study, you will see that Jesus taught it, and rightly defined it. It centers around loving each other the way He loves us.

Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

It's the law. I rest from foolish rhetoric with you. With the law of Love, may God bless you with wisdom, but that takes a righteous fear.

You don't teach the law of Christ (love). You teach the law of Moses.

 

[just-me]

oh really now? instead of going forward... you keep going back Colossians 2:16

New Living Translation (NLT)

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

I won't let that happen. I take no offence or condemnation from you that are given.

16 So don't let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat. 17 These are a shadow of things that are coming, but the body is of the Messiah.

As Paul says, they are not in the past, they are a shadow of things to come. Just as Sabbaths days are a gift to the purpose of the future. Take it where you want.

 

[just-me]

You don't teach the law of Christ (love). You teach the law of Moses.

I suppose now you are saying that I'm liar by saying love is in the law? I'm saying that love is a good thing and a right thing. Is the love of God a separate thing from the Law of God? So I guess that you have determined that the law and love are separated, and never the twain shall meet. WOW!! What a bummer.

 

[just-me]

Matthew 5:21-24 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Matthew 5:21-24 (Complete Jewish Bible)
21 "You have heard that our fathers were told, `Do not murder,'l and that anyone who commits murder will be subject to judgment.
22 But I tell you that anyone who nurses anger against his brother will be subject to judgment; that whoever calls his brother, `You good-for-nothing!' will be brought before the Sanhedrin; that whoever says, `Fool!' incurs the penalty of burning in the fire of Gei-Hinnom!
23 So if you are offering your gift at the Temple altar and you remember there that your brother has something against you,
24 leave your gift where it is by the altar, and go, make peace with your brother. Then come back and offer your gift.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I suppose now you are saying that I'm liar by saying love is in the law? I'm saying that love is a good thing and a right thing. Is the love of God a separate thing from the Law of God? So I guess that you have determined that the law and love are separated, and never the twain shall meet. WOW!! What a bummer.

Love is not IN the law, it is commanded by the law. You're apparently like the other law idolators who think the law is love. GOD is love; the law is a creation of his being. Equating the letters of the law of Moses with GOD is idolatry.

 

[loveme1]

Love is not IN the law, it is commanded by the law. You're apparently like the other law idolators who think the law is love. GOD is love; the law is a creation of his being. Equating the letters of the law of Moses with GOD is idolatry.

That is not so.

Exodus 20

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That is not so.

Exodus 20

I don't understand what you're trying to say. There's no connection with what I said.

 

[loveme1]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. There's no connection with what I said.

It is written "my commandments" those that "love me"...

Keeping the Commandments is not idolizing the "law of Moses"

 

[parablepete]

[SUP]2 Cor. 3: 6[/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7[/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8[/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9[/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10[/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11[/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12[/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13[/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14[/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15[/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16[/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17[/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

 

[chubbena]

I suppose now you are saying that I'm liar by saying love is in the law? I'm saying that love is a good thing and a right thing. Is the love of God a separate thing from the Law of God? So I guess that you have determined that the law and love are separated, and never the twain shall meet. WOW!! What a bummer.

and God a liar too because He says: take care to follow the commands, decrees and laws I give you today. If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the Lord you God will keep His covenant of LOVE with you, as he swore to your forefathers. He will LOVE you and bless you and increase your numbers.