Attack of the Judaizers

Hizikyah · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

So you tell the Creator of all that is what He accepts, I see. Even thought HE is the only one who can ordain what is acceptable to HIM, you have chosen to take this power....

You may as well get a fish hat and move to Rome, or a kippah and go be a pharisee because they both claim the same power...

The fishiness has spread.....

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

LT · Jan 7, 2014

dodge question much?
Can you guys just say whether or not you believe that an unrepentant pork-eater will go to hell.

How hard is it to be clear?
Is abstaining from pork an important Law, or is is optional?

jag1977 · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

If they believe on the Lord they will be at his mercy for eternity

Nautilus · Jan 7, 2014

Now I just want bacon sunday morning before church.

john832 · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

An unrepentant anything is rebellion to God...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

And the sin of rebellion (defiance) will land one in the Lake of Fire. It is really all about attitude. If God says to do something, my reply can be "Yes sir" or it can be "Don't tell me what to do". Now which one of those do you think God will say well done my good and faithful servant to?

john832 · Jan 7, 2014

Hizikyah said:

So you tell the Creator of all that is what He accepts, I see. Even thought HE is the only one who can ordain what is acceptable to HIM, you have chosen to take this power....

You may as well get a fish hat and move to Rome, or a kippah and go be a pharisee because they both claim the same power...

The fishiness has spread.....

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

Cause the guy with the fish-head hat said so.

LT · Jan 7, 2014

john832 said:

So if I don't stop eating bacon, the blood of Christ can do nothing for me?
The clear sign of a Judaizer: Telling people they must live like a Jew to be a Christian.

Goodbye.
I can only hear a certain amount of lies about my God before I need to refresh with some Bible reading.

john832 · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

It is not so much about the pork, it is about the attitude of being willing to do whatever God says to do, how He says to do it.

Is there such a thing as degree to sin? Will refusing to obey in a very small are be OK? And if so, how small or large an area of rebellion acceptable?

jag1977 · Jan 7, 2014

john832 said:

An unrepentant anything is rebellion to God...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

And the sin of rebellion (defiance) will land one in the Lake of Fire. It is really all about attitude. If God says to do something, my reply can be "Yes sir" or it can be "Don't tell me what to do". Now which one of those do you think God will say well done my good and faithful servant to?

Hebrews have no discernment between God and Lord.

Josh321 · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

lol, just leave it alone LT..
[h=3]1 Timothy 4:1-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

john832 · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

Hmmm, So, you have a problem with what God says to do if you don't agree with it?

chubbena · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

Pork eater will go to "heaven" much sooner bur man would rather trust medical experts than the obsolete OT.
Not to belittle you but you will feel it when you get older, say, 50, when your doctor will tell you to cut down on fat.
Now eat all you can while you can.

john832 · Jan 7, 2014

jag1977 said:

OH, OK,

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
1Co 10:2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1Co 10:3 all ate the same spiritual food,
1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Who was the LORD?

Hizikyah · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

I know people who receive the mark of the beast aka accept the authority of the beast go to the lake of fire.

I know murders got to lake of fire.

among a number of other things that Scripture says is so.

example:

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

SO now to the pork issue, I cant say anything FINAL because I am not the judge, BUT i can say what I believe and why...

So we are told not to eat pork because it is very harmful to the human body, among other reasons for its trichinosis parasite.

So its not about loving your neighbor and not DIRECTLY linked to loving Yahweh, although it is something He commands (for our own good, He made us He knows whats best).

Yet Shaul says, none are increased or decreased by their choice of eating habits.

Yet this is written in Isayah:

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the one in the center of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

So is it their following of lying priests (one in center) or their eating of unclean?

I think it is the following of false teaches, and when that is done the other things a side effects; eating unclean, choosing what day they think is Sabbath, forsaking Law, thinking its ok to wear idols, etc. You know following the main line teaching instead of following Yahweh.

2 Corinthinas 6:17-18, "Therefore: Come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty."

Josh321 · Jan 7, 2014

anyone who can clearly see the word of God and reject it is not of God and doesn't know God.

chubbena · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

If you really need to know, I have faithfully kept the Sabbath (although on Sunday instead of the traditional Saturday) for the past two years.

I said what I said because you did claim faith plus works for salvation. If that was not your intent, then clarify. As of what you have said, if a person eats pork, they cannot be saved, and if they don't repent of thier pork eating, they will go to hell.

^Is this really what you believe? Because that is all I have taken from your words.
If not, be clear, and tell me how you divide the Law.

That's how it all began, for me anyway, to fall from grace, according to many kind hearted brothers.

Hizikyah · Jan 7, 2014

Josh321 said:

SO what Yahweh ordained in the "OT" is a doctrine of demons? So the Father is a demon doctrine teacher?

OR.....did Shaul live in a time that most do not understand, and maybe Shaul was talking about man made Pharisee fodd restrictions such as "no meat and cheese together."

SO sad, blinded by iniquity.

So you are saying what Yahweh ordained in the "OT" is a doctrine of demons?

Because either you say that and claim this verse in Timothy is about pork and call the "OT" demonic or you dont, there is no in between.

chubbena · Jan 7, 2014

LT said:

If you don't stop eating bacon, the blood of you will soon stop flowing.
Sorry can't help

Hizikyah · Jan 7, 2014

Josh321 said:

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

jag1977 · Jan 7, 2014

John....Slow down. That is not jesus christ in those scriptures. That is the "Lord Jesus Christ". The true ...The son of God came in the flesh. 1 John 4 ...try the spirits first. Slow down. Read John 4 again.

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