Attack of the Judaizers

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
L

Laodicea

Guest
#701
#701
danschance said:
No, it is the moral law of God, which includes 9 of the 10 commandments. Christ is now our sabbath. In the NT Christians are told to not forsake the assembling of the Saints (Heb 10:25). That is what God replaced the fourth commandment with for us.
Click to expand...
If Christ is our sabbath it will be shown by keeping His sabbath. If we love God we will keep His commandments. (works)
 
D

danschance

Guest
#702
#702
Laodicea said:
You are the one giving private interpretation I gave Bible which you asked for. You asked for Bible I showed you and you still try to refute it. Shows you got nothing.
Click to expand...
You gave us nothing but opinion when you claimed we will eat nothing but veggies in Heaven, right?
 
D

danschance

Guest
#704
#704
Laodicea said:
If Christ is our sabbath it will be shown by keeping His sabbath. If we love God we will keep His commandments. (works)
Click to expand...
As I have stated before, Christians are under Christ's law. I am just confused as to why people on this thread want me to repeat so often.
 
L

Laodicea

Guest
#705
#705
Elin said:
I am saying what Mt 22:37-40 says.
Click to expand...
Are you afraid to answer? Yes or no, unless you are not sure which is OK. Or you are hiding something.
 
E

Elin

Banned
#706
Jan 19, 2013
11,909
141
0
#706
Laodicea said:
You are the one giving private interpretation I gave Bible which you asked for.
You asked for Bible I showed you and you still try to refute it. Shows you got nothing.
Click to expand...
Prophecy can be, and is, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different from your interpretation.
And their interpretation is just as right as yours, because there is no clear teaching on the matter.

Please given certain and unequivocal teaching on the matter.
 
L

Laodicea

Guest
#707
#707
danschance said:
As I have stated before, Christians are under Christ's law. I am just confused as to why people on this thread want me to repeat so often.
Click to expand...
The 7th day sabbath is part of Christ's law. The law of God and the law of Christ are the same.
 
L

Laodicea

Guest
#709
#709
Elin said:
Prophecy can be, and is, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different from your interpretation.
And their interpretation is just as right as yours, because there is no clear teaching on the matter.

Please given certain and unequivocal teaching on the matter.
Click to expand...
You will not answer my question and now you expect me to give an answer to which I did already?
 
C

chubbena

Guest
#710
#710
Elin said:
It is the hands they say are unclean, not the food.
Click to expand...
You understand.
Elin said:
The context doesn't change a thing in what Mk 7:19 states.

And nope. . .no Levitical regulation made food unclean that was touched by unclean hands.
Click to expand...
You understand not.
chubbena said:
It wasn't Levitical regulation. It was "holding to the tradition of the elders" c.f. Mark 7:3
You may take it up with.....the context.
Click to expand...
You may understand if you take it up with the context.
Elin said:
None of which alters Mark's clear and unequivocal statement:

"Jesus declared all foods 'clean.' " (Mk 7:19)
Click to expand...
But you don't want to.

chubbena said:
So when Yeshua declared all food clean. The food in the context was the food touched by unclean hands.
Click to expand...
So you can't take this. That's alright. I totally understand.
 
Hizikyah

Hizikyah

Senior Member
#711
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#711
Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hand on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
 
E

Elin

Banned
#712
Jan 19, 2013
11,909
141
0
#712
Laodicea said:
Are you afraid to answer? Yes or no, unless you are not sure which is OK. Or you are hiding something.
Click to expand...
Hiding no more than Jesus is hiding in Mt 22:37-40.

I don't need to speak for Jesus, he has spoken for himself.
 
L

Laodicea

Guest
#713
#713
danschance said:
You gave us nothing but opinion when you claimed we will eat nothing but veggies in Heaven, right?
Click to expand...
God's original diet according to the BIBLE was vegetarian. According to the BIBLE there will be no death in heaven. That means in heaven according to the BIBLE we will be vegetarian. Not hard to figure out. Unless you are so blind you do not want to see it.
 
Josh321

Josh321

Senior Member
#714
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
#714
dan, elin leave the righteous alone and help save sinners who need saving
 
Hizikyah

Hizikyah

Senior Member
#715
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#715
Originally Posted by Elin
None of which alters Mark's clear and unequivocal statement:

"Jesus declared all foods 'clean.' " (Mk 7:19)"

Hizikyah checks greek text, scratches his head.......So we are going off words added to the text and not in the greek now?
 
L

Laodicea

Guest
#716
#716
Elin said:
Hiding no more than Jesus is hiding in Mt 22:37-40.

I don't need to speak for Jesus, he has spoken for himself.
Click to expand...
Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 KJV
(14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
E

Elin

Banned
#717
Jan 19, 2013
11,909
141
0
#717
Laodicea said:
Are you afraid to answer? Yes or no, unless you are not sure which is OK. Or you are hiding something.
Click to expand...
No, just weary of dealing with all the ignorance.

The law of Moses comes with a curse (Gal 3:10), and the law of Christ does not.

This is a huge difference (Ro 8:1).

Therefore, while the law of Christ fulfills the Ten Commandments (Mt 22:40), it is not the law of Moses with its curse (Gal 3:13).
 
Hizikyah

Hizikyah

Senior Member
#718
Aug 25, 2013
11,634
372
0
#718
1 Samuyl 8:7, "Yahweh answered Samuyl, and said: Listen to all the words the people speak to you, for they have not rejected you; they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them."
 
L

Laodicea

Guest
#720
#720
Elin said:
No, just weary of dealing with all the ignorance.

The law of Moses comes with a curse (Gal 3:10), and the law of Christ does not.

This is a huge difference (Ro 8:1).

Therefore, while the law of Christ fulfills the Ten Commandments (Mt 22:40), it is not the law of Moses with its curse (Gal 3:13).
Click to expand...
You will not answer because your teaching is wrong. Jesus upheld the 10 commandments He did not teach or go against any of the 10.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.