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The curse is not lifted on those who transgress. Example, if one breaks fornication or animal husbandry Law, they will eventually catch a STD. If one lies they will pay for it in one way or another. Stealing, etc.
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
Messiah did not lift the curse so one could transgress continually and there would be no curse, He lifted the curse for those who would accept the blood of Messiah and turn to obedience.
Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."
Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."
Messiah did not lift the curse so one could transgress continually and there would be no curse, He lifted the curse for those who would accept the blood of Messiah and turn to obedience.
Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."
None of which alters Mark's clear and unequivocal statement:
"Jesus declared all foods 'clean.' " (Mk 7:19)"
Hizikyah checks greek text, scratches his head.......So we are going off words added to the text and not in the greek now?
Scratches head and also wonders what Hizikyah is talking about!!
The Greek:
"ὅτι οὐκ εἰσπορεύεται αὐτοῦ εἰς τὴν καρδίαν ἀλλ’ εἰς τὴν κοιλίαν, καὶ εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα ἐκπορεύεται;— καθαρίζων πάντα τὰ βρώματα." Kata Markon 7:19
καθαρίζων - pres. active participle , to cleanse, to declare clean
βρώματα - noun, food.
πάντα - is of course, ALL.
Therefore "all food is declared clean"
All there in the Greek!
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Ellin Gave you an answer. Please read it.
Originally Posted by Elin
The law of Moses comes with an inseparable curse (Gal 3:10), and the law of Christ has no curse.
This is a huge difference (Ro 8:1).
Therefore, while the law of Christ fulfills the Ten Commandments (Mt 22:40), it is notthe law of Moses because it has no curse (Gal 3:13).
There is no law of Moses without the curse.
The law of Moses comes with an inseparable curse (Gal 3:10), and the law of Christ has no curse.
This is a huge difference (Ro 8:1).
Therefore, while the law of Christ fulfills the Ten Commandments (Mt 22:40), it is notthe law of Moses because it has no curse (Gal 3:13).
There is no law of Moses without the curse.
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Ellin Gave you an answer. Please read it.
Originally Posted by Elin
The law of Moses comes with an inseparable curse (Gal 3:10), and the law of Christ has no curse.
This is a huge difference (Ro 8:1).
Therefore, while the law of Christ fulfills the Ten Commandments (Mt 22:40), it is notthe law of Moses because it has no curse (Gal 3:13).
There is no law of Moses without the curse.
The law of Moses comes with an inseparable curse (Gal 3:10), and the law of Christ has no curse.
This is a huge difference (Ro 8:1).
Therefore, while the law of Christ fulfills the Ten Commandments (Mt 22:40), it is notthe law of Moses because it has no curse (Gal 3:13).
There is no law of Moses without the curse.
Not sure which interlinear you are reading, but I consulted my book The New Linguistic and Exegetical Commentary Key to the Greek New Testament by Rogers III and Rogers Jr.
Consulting with A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature by Danker and Bauer, the word καθαρίζων, refers to the RITUAL cleansing or purification, being pertinent to cultic or ceremonial cleansing.
Under no definition of the word does Katharizon refer to defecation. It only refers to making something which is ritually clean. In other words, all foods are clean. The part before it, does not support the definition of καθαρίζων, which means "To declare ritually clean."
I think you need to learn Greek before you start presenting yourself as an authority on it by reading an interlinear Bible. It also makes one wonder as to all the other things you have presented as doctrinal truth, when I read this. I have the USB interlinear when I am not reading the real Greek, I can't imagine what version you are reading. Some backwards translation of the KJV, it sounds like to me!
Consulting with A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature by Danker and Bauer, the word καθαρίζων, refers to the RITUAL cleansing or purification, being pertinent to cultic or ceremonial cleansing.
Under no definition of the word does Katharizon refer to defecation. It only refers to making something which is ritually clean. In other words, all foods are clean. The part before it, does not support the definition of καθαρίζων, which means "To declare ritually clean."
I think you need to learn Greek before you start presenting yourself as an authority on it by reading an interlinear Bible. It also makes one wonder as to all the other things you have presented as doctrinal truth, when I read this. I have the USB interlinear when I am not reading the real Greek, I can't imagine what version you are reading. Some backwards translation of the KJV, it sounds like to me!
Lets be honest here, this passage HAS NOTING TO DO WITH CLEAN OR UNCLEAN FOODS. It is about a pharisacial ritual of eating without running water ove ones hands using a silver pitcher also of pharisee law, and saying a made up pharisee prayer, THAT is the "hand washing" in question.
Mark 7:5, "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"
Mark 7:13, "Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect through your tradition you have handed down! And many other similar things you do."
Mark 7:5, "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"
Mark 7:13, "Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect through your tradition you have handed down! And many other similar things you do."
Once again, you are caught making up stuff that is not in the Word of God. No where in the Old Testament or Tanakh will you find a law forbidding a contact with Gentiles, or that Gentiles are unclean. The ORAL LAW (now can be one of four Talmud which are extra biblical teachings) was what Peter had to UNLEARN. Christians today can learn from many of the incidents with Pharisees and other religions of Christ's day that Christ himself railed against because they were not of God or of the Word and was TRADITION AND DOCTRINE OF MEN.
What you will find in the OT/Tanakh is a person who has leprosy is unclean. A person coming in contact with a dead person or a dead animal is unclean. A woman during and for a time period after her monthly cycle was unclean. But, the good news was none of these defilements of uncleanness were permanent.
Also you will find prophesied that when Jesus came and performed His ministry, that he healed the leprous, gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf, cast out demons, healed all manners of illness and raised the dead back to life. And this was all done in the area of Judea and Jerusalem where the majority of residences where Jews. And those non-Jews, those tax collectors and other sinners, well he hung with them and guess who called him a sinner for associating with sinners? Those self-righteous Pharisees.
Peter should have learned 10 years earlier about associating with Gentiles, but his behaviour went unchecked until that one fateful day in a vision he was shown not to call what God called common as being unclean.
If we learn and unlearn anything from these teachings, let us walk as Jesus walked and put aside any prejudices.
What you will find in the OT/Tanakh is a person who has leprosy is unclean. A person coming in contact with a dead person or a dead animal is unclean. A woman during and for a time period after her monthly cycle was unclean. But, the good news was none of these defilements of uncleanness were permanent.
Also you will find prophesied that when Jesus came and performed His ministry, that he healed the leprous, gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf, cast out demons, healed all manners of illness and raised the dead back to life. And this was all done in the area of Judea and Jerusalem where the majority of residences where Jews. And those non-Jews, those tax collectors and other sinners, well he hung with them and guess who called him a sinner for associating with sinners? Those self-righteous Pharisees.
Peter should have learned 10 years earlier about associating with Gentiles, but his behaviour went unchecked until that one fateful day in a vision he was shown not to call what God called common as being unclean.
If we learn and unlearn anything from these teachings, let us walk as Jesus walked and put aside any prejudices.
To add to this, proof gentiles were not dirty and shold not be discriminated against:
Leviticus 19:34, "The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Leviticus 19:34, "The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."
Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."