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why do you dodge questions by the way answer these two questions with a yes or no only? is the Father+Jesus+Spirit=GOD? do you=a sinner in nature with only Christ as your saving grace
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Is John 14:12 later added text as well?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
 

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Is John 14:12 later added text as well?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
again really why do you dodge questions answer these two questions with a yes or no only? is the Father+Jesus+Spirit=GOD? do you=a sinner in nature with only Christ as your saving grace
 
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again really why do you dodge questions answer these two questions with a yes or no only? is the Father+Jesus+Spirit=GOD? do you=a sinner in nature with only Christ as your saving grace
"Si" means yes in Spanish

But I'm not a sinner in nature. That nature is gone and I am a new creation
 

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"Si" means yes in Spanish

But I'm not a sinner in nature. That nature is gone and I am a new creation
really not a sinner? humm i read this what do you think?

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Here, the apostle says that Christians who claim to be sin free are deceiving themselves and he calls into question their very salvation for making such a claim! You see, the idea of being born again means that we should be transformed day by day into the image of Christ. Although we should strive for perfection (Matt. 5:48), it doesn't mean that we'll be perfect. When we're born again we receive a new, godly nature (Eph. 4:24), but our old nature also still exists. Paul talks about this in Romans chapter 7 when he says "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not... For I joyfully concur with God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members." (vss. 18,21) Here we can see how even Paul struggled with sins in his own life, but he knew he was saved and he would be victorious one day.


This is why Paul makes such big deal about God's grace in the book of Romans. He writes "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (Rom. 5:8-9) He also says "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." (vss. 1-2) Paul knows that he cannot stop sinning, but he rejoices in the fact that God will forgive him of his sins through grace. Grace means that we can be forgiven.

 
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really not a sinner? humm i read this what do you think?

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Here, the apostle says that Christians who claim to be sin free are deceiving themselves and he calls into question their very salvation for making such a claim! You see, the idea of being born again means that we should be transformed day by day into the image of Christ. Although we should strive for perfection (Matt. 5:48), it doesn't mean that we'll be perfect. When we're born again we receive a new, godly nature (Eph. 4:24), but our old nature also still exists. Paul talks about this in Romans chapter 7 when he says "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not... For I joyfully concur with God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members." (vss. 18,21) Here we can see how even Paul struggled with sins in his own life, but he knew he was saved and he would be victorious one day.


This is why Paul makes such big deal about God's grace in the book of Romans. He writes "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (Rom. 5:8-9) He also says "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." (vss. 1-2) Paul knows that he cannot stop sinning, but he rejoices in the fact that God will forgive him of his sins through grace. Grace means that we can be forgiven.

Must I repeat my self. Or do you see what you want to?
 

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Must I repeat my self. Or do you see what you want to?
its simple simiel my friend do you agree or disagree with the said statement and Biblical verses within it? i will post it again for you.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Here, the apostle says that Christians who claim to be sin free are deceiving themselves and he calls into question their very salvation for making such a claim! You see, the idea of being born again means that we should be transformed day by day into the image of Christ. Although we should strive for perfection (Matt. 5:48), it doesn't mean that we'll be perfect. When we're born again we receive a new, godly nature (Eph. 4:24), but our old nature also still exists. Paul talks about this in Romans chapter 7 when he says "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not... For I joyfully concur with God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members." (vss. 18,21) Here we can see how even Paul struggled with sins in his own life, but he knew he was saved and he would be victorious one day.
This is why Paul makes such big deal about God's grace in the book of Romans. He writes "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (Rom. 5:8-9) He also says "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." (vss. 1-2) Paul knows that he cannot stop sinning, but he rejoices in the fact that God will forgive him of his sins through grace. Grace means that we can be forgiven.

 
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its simple simiel my friend do you agree or disagree with the said statement and Biblical verses within it? i will post it again for you.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Here, the apostle says that Christians who claim to be sin free are deceiving themselves and he calls into question their very salvation for making such a claim! You see, the idea of being born again means that we should be transformed day by day into the image of Christ. Although we should strive for perfection (Matt. 5:48), it doesn't mean that we'll be perfect. When we're born again we receive a new, godly nature (Eph. 4:24), but our old nature also still exists. Paul talks about this in Romans chapter 7 when he says "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not... For I joyfully concur with God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members." (vss. 18,21) Here we can see how even Paul struggled with sins in his own life, but he knew he was saved and he would be victorious one day.
This is why Paul makes such big deal about God's grace in the book of Romans. He writes "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (Rom. 5:8-9) He also says "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." (vss. 1-2) Paul knows that he cannot stop sinning, but he rejoices in the fact that God will forgive him of his sins through grace. Grace means that we can be forgiven.

I agree with the verses, I disagree with the way you explained it.. Romans 7 speaks about being under the law and how it only showed him his sin but could not change the person he was. He was a slave to sin.. But if you continue he say therefore <<< it's good to know why therefore is there for lol. Thanks to Jesus I am freeeeeee... Now I did not say I did not sin. I said my sin nature is gone and now I am in new creation/new man... But if you don't renew your mind to this new man you won't be able to live from this place
 

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I agree with the verses, I disagree with the way you explained it.. Romans 7 speaks about being under the law and how it only showed him his sin but could not change the person he was. He was a slave to sin.. But if you continue he say therefore <<< it's good to know why therefore is there for lol. Thanks to Jesus I am freeeeeee... Now I did not say I did not sin. I said my sin nature is gone and now I am in new creation/new man... But if you don't renew your mind to this new man you won't be able to live from this place
25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

unless you don't have a body you are a sinner.

1 John 1:7-9

7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

truth is not with you simiel, and if its not with you... you don't know it, and if you don't know it.... you can't speak it.... and that means you are a lair. look back and reconsider how you view your faith before you fall you far you rebel child, love you though bro :D
 
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25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

unless you don't have a body you are a sinner.

1 John 1:7-9

7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

truth is not with you simiel, and if its not with you... you don't know it, and if you don't know it.... you can't speak it.... and that means you are a lair. look back and reconsider how you view your faith before you fall you far you rebel child, love you though bro :D
Do you see what you want to see?
Romans 8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Lol I repeat for the 3rd time I did not say I never sinned, I said my sin nature is gone. Like it moved out and Jesus moved in.... And yes it shows me you love me threw the fruit you bear of name calling. Your amazing and I love you also :)
 

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Do you see what you want to see?
Romans 8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Lol I repeat for the 3rd time I did not say I never sinned, I said my sin nature is gone. Like it moved out and Jesus moved in.... And yes it shows me you love me threw the fruit you bear of name calling. Your amazing and I love you also :)
25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

friend you crack me up! thanks for the laugh, but really that sinful nature is still there in the flesh you carry. don't let it tell you otherwise, repent because you are sinning this very moment just like i am. repent with me we all need to, because sin has you you sinner.

but dont worry i love you and i am patient you will come around.
 
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25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

friend you crack me up! thanks for the laugh, but really that sinful nature is still there in the flesh you carry. don't let it tell you otherwise, repent because you are sinning this very moment just like i am. repent with me we all need to, because sin has you you sinner.

but dont worry i love you and i am patient you will come around.
Do you know what repent mean?

Did you know God repented?
 

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Do you know what repent mean?

Did you know God repented?
this is what my friend wants to ask you
"who did God repent to? so you are saying God sinned? do you know you are an idiot?" btw he is a pastor from a church lol

now on to me yes i do
repent

METANOEO* - εχηγεομαι

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  1. to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
  2. to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

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this is what my friend wants to ask you
"who did God repent to? so you are saying God sinned? do you know you are an idiot?" btw he is a pastor from a church lol

now on to me yes i do
repent

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  1. to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
  2. to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

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Yes I am a idiot..

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Nobody said God sinned

As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.
 
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5 +5 equals 55. So what, when will folks put away there intellect and accept the cross?
 

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Yes I am a idiot..

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Nobody said God sinned

As a man thinketh in his heart so is he.
ok on that first part.....lol

were did the Lord repent? how is thought sin is it not temptation, and isn't sin and temptation different. where is you proof in the bible of the Lord thinking evil thoughts?

to say God repented means he has to sin, so you did say he repented right?

now think of this if you say the "Lord/God thought evil and needed to repent you are saying He sinned, and if as you say He sins He cant save us from sin because He sins himself and is trapped by it, and Christ death on the cross is meaningless, and that when He told man He was forgiven He lied thus sinning again." that sounds like denying and saying the works the Holy Spirit are false and evil because the 3 are 1 and saying one is evil means all are and doing that my friend is sin a big sin and we all know what that means
 
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ok on that first part.....lol

were did the Lord repent? how is thought sin is it not temptation, and isn't sin and temptation different. where is you proof in the bible of the Lord thinking evil thoughts?

to say God repented means he has to sin, so you did say he repented right?

now think of this if you say the "Lord/God thought evil and needed to repent you are saying He sinned, and if as you say He sins He cant save us from sin because He sins himself and is trapped by it, and Christ death on the cross is meaningless, and that when He told man He was forgiven He lied thus sinning again." that sounds like denying and saying the works the Holy Spirit are false and evil because the 3 are 1 and saying one is evil means all are and doing that my friend is sin a big sin and we all know what that means
Exodus 32: 14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Don't know why you keep putting words in my mouth from your assumptions
 

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Exodus 32: 14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Don't know why you keep putting words in my mouth from your assumptions
14 So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

that's the proper translation of that verse. its wrong to say he repented its not the right translation

like how people used to misinterpret this verse
[h=3]Isaiah 45:7[/h]New American Standard Bible (NASB)

7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing [a]well-being and creating calamity;
I am the Lord who does all these.

people would take calamity as evil but it was more like natural disaster and rising up and enemy to strike you down. these are not evil but works of God


hebrew meaning to just change your mind and do harm not repent from sin and do evil like you said please stop using a verse if you do not know its meaning.





 

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Exodus 32: 14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Don't know why you keep putting words in my mouth from your assumptions
i am not putting words in your mouth! but accurately describing to you what the flawed and false words you are saying mean and how very dangerous it is to say them.

please stop sinning(the evil you are doing by saying God repented and need to repent from sin), and repent(#2 on the definition i gave you)
 
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i am not putting words in your mouth! but accurately describing to you what the flawed and false words you are saying mean and how very dangerous it is to say them.

please stop sinning(the evil you are doing by saying God repented and need to repent from sin), and repent(#2 on the definition i gave you)
King James version says repent other say change His mind.

Lol I did not put it there. Take your dispute to the king James guy

Your the only person who said he sinned