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KJV1611

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Angela53510 said:
My personal opinion is that this was a Christophany.

However, since Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel did not know the name of Jesus at this time, they expressed it as they saw it. Elohim can mean gods or angels.

As Tintin said pages ago, they wrote down what they saw - someone who was like a son of gods.

The KJV reads back into history, instead of translating the words properly. That alone disqualifies it from being the only "inspired" text.

Please get some education about languages, translating and hermeneutics too. Call me when you have learned a bit more about these subjects, and maybe we can talk intelligently then, ok?
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The KJV reveals that the Son of God was in the furnace and all the other translations conceal it.
I don't need any education about languages or translating... no human being is capable of translating God's holy word. We get translations the same way we got the originals, holy men moved by the Holy Ghost.
 
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nothing better than d original. Learn Hebrew and Greek then get the bibles and receive the solid truth from it which hasnt been changed or translated
 
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Wow, KJV. You're free to enjoy the KJV but that comment about linguistic education etc. is just ignorant.
 
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well ive already started with hebrew and its really helping though i have a long way to go. I know its worth it.
 
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Tintin said:
Wow, KJV. You're free to enjoy the KJV but that comment about linguistic education etc. is just ignorant.
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The only thing it takes to understand the bible is faith, nothing more nothing less. Everything I know about the bible came from the Lord showing it to me. The bible isn't written for the elite or super smart or highly educated, it is written for all of us to understand it.... we just have to believe what God says in his word.
 
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Well I can say that hebrew is a very special language invented by God in fact every letter has its own meaning relating to God. If i Could compare it with a normal bible there so many things that are explained that cannot be explained by an english bible. Thuogh Im not saying the normal bible is powerless in fact the both are 1 and the same they carry the same message. Im learning it out of intrest thats all I can say.
 
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KJV1611 said:
The only thing it takes to understand the bible is faith, nothing more nothing less. Everything I know about the bible came from the Lord showing it to me. The bible isn't written for the elite or super smart or highly educated, it is written for all of us to understand it.... we just have to believe what God says in his word.
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Exactly! Hence why the KJV isn't suitable for everyone because not everyone can read and understand it. Also, there's a great difference between understanding and believing and exploring one's faith at a much deeper level. For that, you need both revelation from the Holy Spirit and reason.
 
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I like 16 century english :)

God Bless
 
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Tintin said:
Exactly! Hence why the KJV isn't suitable for everyone because not everyone can read and understand it.
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The KJV IS suitable - everyone CAN read and understand it -- if they will only apply themselves to understanding it...

Understanding the KJV is not nearly as difficult as most people think. Many simply give up on it too quickly.

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KJV1611 said:


2 different statements... 2 completely different entities. One is Jesus Christ and the other is an angel.
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actually I don't think the other translation "a son of the gods" could refer to an angel... angels are referred to as sons of God but not "sons of the gods". Now Nebuchadnezzar with his pagan beliefs may have seen it that way, "son of the gods."
 
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The KJV IS suitable - everyone CAN read and understand it -- if they will only apply themselves to understanding it...

Understanding the KJV is not nearly as difficult as most people think. Many simply give up on it too quickly.

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Maybe that's true for some people but not for all. It's not just the "thou's", and "thee's" and "art's" and "doth's" that are the problem for many, it's also the inside out sentence structures of which the KJV is fond. And yes, Strong's Concordance may be helpful, but language has changed dramatically even since then (200 or so years ago). Again, even the KJV translators believed in updating translations as language changed (just look at the Preface - oh, wait, it's been excised from modern KJV Bibles).
 
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Tintin said:
Exactly! Hence why the KJV isn't suitable for everyone because not everyone can read and understand it. Also, there's a great difference between understanding and believing and exploring one's faith at a much deeper level. For that, you need both revelation from the Holy Spirit and reason.
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I'd agree with you but would leave out the "reason" part.....

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 
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I'd agree with you but would leave out the "reason" part.....

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
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I'm just saying that we can also learn much from biblical scholars - concerning the historical, cultural etc. context. Of course, we lean far more on the Holy Spirit's revelation, than that of educated men and women.
 
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Tintin said:
Exactly! Hence why the KJV isn't suitable for everyone because not everyone can read and understand it. Also, there's a great difference between understanding and believing and exploring one's faith at a much deeper level. For that, you need both revelation from the Holy Spirit and reason.
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There's nothing hard to understand about the KJV language, all you have to do is read it. The more you read it the more familiar you get with the language. The entire bible is a parable, the meaning is contained in the symbols. If you read a bible that doesn't contain the symbols then you will never understand the meaning of the parables.
 
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KJV1611 said:
There's nothing hard to understand about the KJV language, all you have to do is read it. The more you read it the more familiar you get with the language. The entire bible is a parable, the meaning is contained in the symbols. If you read a bible that doesn't contain the symbols then you will never understand the meaning of the parables.
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The whole Bible is a parable? I'm not sure you understand what a parable is. The Bible is made up of many genres, only one of them being parable. Does the Bible have a deeper meaning than what is written? Often, yes. But that doesn't make the Bible a parable.
 
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Rockbysea said:
actually I don't think the other translation "a son of the gods" could refer to an angel... angels are referred to as sons of God but not "sons of the gods". Now Nebuchadnezzar with his pagan beliefs may have seen it that way, "son of the gods."
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God wrote the book of Daniel,. Do you think God was trying to convey tat Jesus was in the furnace or a son of the gods?
 
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2Thewaters said:
Hey guys
this is an illegal thread. :)

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
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It's great that you posted this.
I feel no love here at all.
 
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Tintin said:
The whole Bible is a parable? I'm not sure you understand what a parable is. The Bible is made up of many genres, only one of them being parable. Does the Bible have a deeper meaning than what is written? Often, yes. But that doesn't make the Bible a parable.
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A parable is a saying or story in which something is expressed in terms of something else in other words it's expressed in symbolic language. John 3:16 is a parable.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Believeth is symbolic. Believeth does not mean just to believe the fact is true. The devils believe and tremble but they are not saved.
 
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