Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)

[tucksma]

But it shouldn't read husband and wife.....

It COULD, but there's not way of telling if it should or shouldn't.

In these scenarios where there is no way to tell, I tend to go with the hebrew scholars who translated it.

 

[homwardbound]

I think the Word is pretty clear.
Women are supposed to be meek.
Not weak, but meek. Meek means having strength under control. Like a tame horse: it is powerful, much stronger than it's jockey, but obedient.

If a woman is asserting her authority over a man, her age or older, then she is over-stepping her role.

I don't care what other women think, I know that this works, because I know what I want out of a man.
I don't want a wimp, so I don't treat men like wimps. I resent women who treat men like wimps, because they are ruining my chances at getting a decent guy.

Yet does not a woman need to be strong against those men of flesh that want only their own way and will go to __________________________________ to get it
And with women being taught to be weak, man flesh, (evil) has gotten away with evil for centuries
I am glad my wife is strong and has no problem picking up the Jaw bone of an ass
There is a time to fight and a time to cry, seeing all things as a whole and not part as flesh can only see

 

[tucksma]

Yet does not a woman need to be strong against those men of flesh that want only their own way and will go to __________________________________ to get it
And with women being taught to be weak, man flesh, (evil) has gotten away with evil for centuries
I am glad my wife is strong and has no problem picking up the Jaw bone of an ass
There is a time to fight and a time to cry, seeing all things as a whole and not part as flesh can only see

notice how she said meak not weak....

 

[homwardbound]

i have been struggling with this for 6 years. I am confident that women in the workforce is at least 50% of why divorce rates are where they are at.

I know what we've been told. I think we've been lied to about what equality is.

Being submissive, like I said before, is not weakness or inequality.
If you think being meek is less valuable, then Christ was without value.

being joint heirs doesn't mean having the same role today.
there will be neither male nor female in heaven, but for today, we must follow our place in life, in the role we've been given, with the gifts we've been given.

Many of evil men love you to death and control you to no peace
And we are called to peace in the Holy Spirit of God.
Praying for you not to go through the man of the cloth that has two faces one to the crowd and the other behind closed doors, you seeing the hypocrisy as many have and do to this day trapped in torment beyond measure
Be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove, praying for God to show you to be wise in this stereo typing of mankind to get his evil way
All in love to you, praying the power of God to protect you

 

[homwardbound]

Wisdom HERSELF preaches and has female apostles.

Proverbs 1:20 Out in the open wisdom calls aloud, she raises her voice in the public square; 21 on top of the wall she cries out, at the city gate she makes her speech:

Proverbs 9:3 She has sent out her young women to call from the highest places in the town,
4 “Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!” To him who lacks sense she says, 5 "Come, eat of my food And drink of the wine I have mixed. 6 "Forsake your folly and live, And proceed in the way of understanding."

Ever heard of Sheerah? She built cities. Important cities.

1 Chronicles 7:24 His daughter was Sheerah, who built Lower and Upper Beth Horon as well as Uzzen Sheerah.



However, a wife is to obey her husband as unto Christ.

Ephesians 5:24 As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.

But what if the Husband does not submit to Christ?
Husbands love your wife's as I (Christ) have loved you
now can ne truly love as Christ unless they see:
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

 

[homwardbound]

To all the women who are contributing to this blog: Why? Why are you contributing to it? Some of the verses that religious leaders use to place a stranglehold on women can be found in Timothy and Titus. Furthermore, some of the NT books have interpolations. Who wrote these 14 books? Paul supposedly wrote them. Now please do some research and google: did Paul really write all of the 14 NT books attributed to him? Read a few articles and make sure they are either neutral (Wikipedia) or from a Christian source. You will be surprised that it is questionable that he wrote them all; especially the ones that oppress women! Why argue with the men or even the women that accept this oppression? It's not worth it. Jesus said: Matthew 10:5-15......"These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans, But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts, nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food. "Now, whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet". Notice how Jesus said "to the house of Israel" which I interpret as the Jewish people. If you compare that to today's standards, it is our own fellow Christians. Again, this is how I interpret it.

I'm done arguing with fellow Christians that have no problem oppressing me because I'm a woman. I asked to have my profile deleted from this site but for some mysterious reason, my profile has yet to be deleted. Therefore, until someone deletes my profile (more than likely, I will get banned first). I'm going to continue to defend women because that is what Jesus did. I would rather listen to Jesus than a bunch of modern day Pharisees AND I'm going to find a site that embraces ALL PEOPLE'S opinions.

Glory hallelujah to you Sister. for god has no respect of persons
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
We are :

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[homwardbound]

Victoria we haven't once said women should be oppressed. We are reading the bible and showing that the bible teaches that men have authority over women, not in that they can whip them around, but that the men (mainly in the church and in the family) make the final decision. This is shown in example throughout the whole bible, not just Paul's letter's. Paul is the only one to say it bluntly. Women have a giant pull on what the "final decision" will be, if the man respects her like the bible says he is to do. Also preaching and pasturing are different. One leads a church, one can be done to anyone. We aren't attacking women. Also we are looking at your opinion but in the end either you are right, I am right, or neither of us are. Because we have posing views we can't both be right. To embrace every view as truth is unbiblical.

There is only one right, one good and that is Father
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
The commandments is as has been always to Love as God does and has done since day one of the fall, being Merciful to us all to change our minds in trusting self or others of flesh to trust God only as Christ so well showed us all while here in the flesh.
And is the only flesh that ever pleased God and that ever will/
So why not give up to the self and be dead to the self and this world and start trusting God every minute of the day, seeking to learn from all that one does in that day to learn to walk as Christ walked trusting God in the Spirit not the flesh at all.

 

[phil112]

I think the Word is pretty clear.
Women are supposed to be meek.
Not weak, but meek. Meek means having strength under control. Like a tame horse: it is powerful, much stronger than it's jockey, but obedient.

If a woman is asserting her authority over a man, her age or older, then she is over-stepping her role.

I don't care what other women think, I know that this works, because I know what I want out of a man.
I don't want a wimp, so I don't treat men like wimps. I resent women who treat men like wimps, because they are ruining my chances at getting a decent guy.

Tell ya what, Sophia, if I wasn't an old ugly guy, you'd be getting private messages from me.

How refreshing to hear a woman that understands that being a Godly woman adorned with good works is something to be desired and not seen as a sign of weakness. Paul addressed this to believers of Christ, not the world. In God's eyes men and woman were designed different, made different, and have different roles. Women in a maternal role have a tremendous task, and I don't envy that.
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for women. I am thankful for them.

 

[tucksma]

Wow are you off to what most of us have been saying. We have not been saying we can make the women to whatever we want! We are saying that we have two different roles! Men have authority, but all that means is he gets to make the final decision. By loving his wife like Christ loves him he respects her opinion and if he married one who has the same faith as him as you should, then they should typically agree. If not they talk about it, and in the end the man gets the final say, but he MUST respect her decision. Just like in the Kingdom Christ will have the final say, but he will respect us. Men have the final say, women make sure that final say is in check with the Word. It's a beautiful relationship if BOTH men and women do what they are supposed to. Men do have authority over women, but that doesn't mean we are kings and they are peasants. Figure out what we are saying before you start freaking out. Also many of the people you are quoting need to do the same.

 

[tucksma]

There is only one right, one good and that is Father
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
The commandments is as has been always to Love as God does and has done since day one of the fall, being Merciful to us all to change our minds in trusting self or others of flesh to trust God only as Christ so well showed us all while here in the flesh.
And is the only flesh that ever pleased God and that ever will/
So why not give up to the self and be dead to the self and this world and start trusting God every minute of the day, seeking to learn from all that one does in that day to learn to walk as Christ walked trusting God in the Spirit not the flesh at all.

This isn't relevant to my post at all. I can love my future wife and have authority over her THE SAME WAY CHRIST HAS AUTHORITY OVER US AND LOVES US.

 

[homwardbound]

Paul listened to Jesus. That is who taught him what to say. Only modern day bible "scholars" want to believe Paul didn't write those books. Why? Because Paul was told by Jesus to pass the word along that walking in the flesh is no way to please God. And walking in the flesh is exactly what you and others that dismiss Paul's teachings want to do.

catholic: 1. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive
2. Including or concerning all humankind; universal
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I know Christ and others here would prefer you remain a christian, but if you must follow the world, then go.

So then why not decide to:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

How can this be done unless you believe you are dead to flesh and alive to God by God and from God through the resurrected Christ?
Philippians 3:10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

 

[tucksma]

Tell ya what, Sophia, if I wasn't an old ugly guy, you'd be getting private messages from me.

How refreshing to hear a woman that understands that being a Godly woman adorned with good works is something to be desired and not seen as a sign of weakness. Paul addressed this to believers of Christ, not the world. In God's eyes men and woman were designed different, made different, and have different roles. Women in a maternal role have a tremendous task, and I don't envy that.
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for women. I am thankful for them.

Absolutely. Sophia you are a wonderful example of a faithful women

God bless you!

 

[tucksma]

So then why not decide to:
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

How can this be done unless you believe you are dead to flesh and alive to God by God and from God through the resurrected Christ?
Philippians 3:10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Your posts literally have nothing to do with the question at hand.

 

[homwardbound]

Originally Posted by GreenNnice

Prophesying is not 'preaching,' or, 'teaching,' at least, that's what those against women being called by God to pastor or teach in a church would tell you, cjord.

Prophesying does not teach a woman anything. Prophesying, or, a woman telling a man of things to come in life does not make her have authority over a man.



You are preaching to the choir, I agree, if you have a problem with women teaching and preaching to men today, take it up with God. I'm CERTAIN that men ARE to be in authority over women the majority of the time in a church setting, but, NOT always. God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

When there is a woman who is pastoring a church, then, see what fruit that church is producing, and, if it is doing good things through HER leadership, then, that's God's call on her life, as i see it. Why do we have to prune the tree, that's God's job, not ours. Quit judging sisters in Christ who've been called to pastor, for a myriad of reasons, of which we don't know, like no men is willing to stand up and be that kind of speaker or she is with experiences in missionary field, etc. that God wants to use in that 'great' role of pastor.

But, as a rule, it's not perfect for a woman to pastor a church, or, teach, even, but, can they, sure, they can, the Lord leads us all individually in life. I understand that man willfully disobeying what they knew was right, a.k.a. Adam in the garden of Eden taking the fruit from Eve, but, the ability to be deceived, well, that carries with it MUCH more ramifications of evil, at least, Paul said so, relating that Eve 'transgressed,' not Adam, in the garden.

If a man Loves as God loves then yes he has authority over and women have no problem giving them authority for they know that man believes God and will not harm them.
Yet man flesh is very deceptive and behind closed doors has and does take advantage of the woman, which in time they will ay for their selfishness, reaping what they sow, but for now God's kindness is meant to lead not only man but woman as well to belief in the living God and do right by their fellow man in love God's type best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13. Yet many are doing 1 Cor. 13:1-3 and claiming love when they have not received the true love of 1 Cor. 13:4-13 This love is a given gift from God the Father in the Spirit of God
Have a blessed day, dying to self daily

 

[phil112]

Glory hallelujah to you Sister. for god has no respect of persons
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
We are :

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

I will say that to apply those scriptures to the subject is, well, I don't know what it is.
I, being a man that reads and understands the bible, am embarrassed by your lack of comprehension of God's word.

 

[homwardbound]

"all things through christ" doesn't literally mean ALL things. If it did then I can sin through Christ who strengtheneth me. The all there just means anything that is for God, and God has an order of men and women.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 

[homwardbound]

But it shouldn't read husband and wife.....

It COULD, but there's not way of telling if it should or shouldn't.

In these scenarios where there is no way to tell, I tend to go with the hebrew scholars who translated it.

And I am going with the Spirit of God, who straightens out all and causes his to stand upright in truth to all
Scripture is rightly divided by God in God's type of Love and God does love all. Please stop being like men and start trusting God in all God has done for us.
While:
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

 

[homwardbound]

notice how she said meak not weak....

The woman was made for us to be a help-meet. but man has abused that and not loved here, cherished her, rather from the fall has been selfish to her as in Genesis 34, where rape took place, deception back on top of that wrong did more wrong, and God had to show us all our sinfulness and put ;awes in place to show us our failure to behave perfectly, and thus our need to be alive in the Spirit of God shown to us this day by Son, Christ Jesus
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[homwardbound]

This isn't relevant to my post at all. I can love my future wife and have authority over her THE SAME WAY CHRIST HAS AUTHORITY OVER US AND LOVES US.

Maybe then you get the point I make

 

[homwardbound]

Your posts literally have nothing to do with the question at hand.

You unfortunately just do not see it at this point in your walk, okay then