Guy hates himself for being Gay

[David_1]

This is a post on reddit I saw. When you look at this, how can you believe that being Gay is just a choice?

I find it hard to condemn/judge people like this. I feel like giving them mercy.

But I know certain folks around here, hate mercy, and would prefer that Gays be rounded up Hitler did in WW2.

I hate being gay. If I could, I would take a pill or something that would make me straight. I'm 21 turning 22, so it's not like I'm a high schooler just learning how to come to terms. This is my first post on reddit, so I don't know if this would be considered "controversial," but amid all the "love yourself" music and other cultural stuff, I feel as if it is.
Edit: Oddly, I'm not sure why I hate it. I'm happy for other people if they come out and are genuinely happy, but I could never do that. I feel as if no matter what people say, they will be judging me in the back of their minds for not being the norm. I've hated it so much that I've never kissed anybody.
I know that I'm young, so maybe it'll change, but for most of my life, I've just strongly disliked being myself. I've countered this by being as "straight" as possible, but it's failed to make any difference.

WeYoung comments on What ACTUALLY controversial opinion do you have? [Serious]

 

[sc81]

well it doesn't matter whether people are born with some type of dysfunction or society influences them, those points will always be argued.

it's not a lifestyle congruent to christianity, it's open and shut case to me.

 

[starfield]

Homosexuality is a moral choice just like lying, adultery, porn watching. Though we're born with a fallen nature, we give into sinful desires by our own volition that's why we are morally responsible for our sins. When people persistently refuse to acknowledge God and continue to live in immorality, God gives them over to a reprobate mind. However, there is victory at the cross through Jesus. We can give them mercy by praying and sharing the gospel.

 

[David_1]

Homosexuality is a moral choice just like lying, adultery, porn watching. Though we're born with a fallen nature, we give into sinful desires by our own volition that's why we are morally responsible for our sins. When people persistently refuse to acknowledge God and continue to live in immorality, God gives them over to a reprobate mind. However, there is victory at the cross through Jesus. We can give them mercy by praying and sharing the gospel.

Sexual desire is often an involuntary thing of the body. So you can be a Homoesexual who never has sex.

So are you saying that Homosexual desires (of a man in this instance) are completely fine and holy... as long as that man doesn't have any sexual contact with another man?? Because you are defining sin as acting out on a choice.

 

[T_Laurich]

Sexual desire is often an involuntary thing of the body. So you can be a Homoesexual who never has sex.

So are you saying that Homosexual desires (of a man in this instance) are completely fine and holy... as long as that man doesn't have any sexual contact with another man?? Because you are defining sin as acting out on a choice.

I see nothing contrary to what Scriptures would say in her post...

 

[Simona25]

I don`t think that being gay is a choice, but I don`t think that you are born like that either. I believe that this sexuality disorder has deep roots in the childhood of a gay man (or woman) and I agree that it is cruel to ask someone to stop being gay overnight. I can`t say I understand their struggle, because I would be a liar. I only know that they can change; they don`t have to see their homosexuality as a fatality that is impossible to overcome. There are a lot of homosexuals that managed to change thanks to church, a psychanalist or thanks to the patience of their parents, but I`m sure that this takes a lot of time.

However, I still don`t think that`s normal, but I have nothing against gay people (I don`t hate them) and I didn`t saw hateful comments from christians here either. My problem is the 'gay marriage' thing, because I don`t believe it is only about 'gay rights', I believe it is about replacing a traditional system of values with a new modern one that despises the old one. And, to my curiosity, I have noticed that (at least, in my country) the persons that are very vocal about the 'gay rights' are not even gays, but some activists atheists.

 

[starfield]

Sexual desire is often an involuntary thing of the body. So you can be a Homoesexual who never has sex.

So are you saying that Homosexual desires (of a man in this instance) are completely fine and holy... as long as that man doesn't have any sexual contact with another man?? Because you are defining sin as acting out on a choice.

Just as serial killers are not born that way but rather become one, homosexuality is not congenital. Several factors may lead to homosexual attraction such as being molested as a child - it can negatively affect the brain chemistry, having same-sex parents (in this case, and child abuse, the individual was a victim of circumstance), and watching pornography. Then there are people who are sexually attracted to animals and inanimate objects, I doubt that they were born that way too. These unusual sexual behaviours are contrary to God's will. They need deliverance just like any other sinner enslaved to sin.

 

[Simona25]

Homosexuality is discussed and debated only from a political, social and cultural perspective. The activists for the homosexual rights try to make homosexuality look like a challenge to our religious views and they deliberately avoid to see that homosexuality is in the first place a distorsion of the natural norm: whether some people like it or not, the phisiological differences between men and women state a truth, a natural law that no one can change.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I think people are probably born homosexual, or with a high propensity toward it.

That doesn't negate what scripture says about sin.

Rampant homosexuality in a country is a good sign of judgement as well. In Romans 1 the homosexuality was the result of hte judgement, not the cause.

 

[MarkMulder]

Sexual desire is often an involuntary thing of the body. So you can be a Homoesexual who never has sex. (...)

If it's an involuntary thing of the body you can call it an urge.
I often have an urge to smoke (again), but I don't.

 

[mystdancer50]

One must consider how they truly view God if they believe that He would have people born homosexual, then condemn them and call it unnatural. Homosexuality is a choice, just as lying and fornicating is a choice. The sooner we acknowledge that ALL sin is a choice, the better off we'll be to actually help the lost see Christ.

 

[Fishbait]

If anyone "condemns/judge people like this" then they condemn all of us. We all sin and as Christians we hate our sins as this young man does. Is this young man a Christian? If so then there is always hope.

Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian. God told us:

“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Think of how many of us those words apply too. As Christians we know when we sin. It's a constant everyday battle in our lives. This young man battles his sin as well as we all do.

What differentiates a Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23). Yes, we Christians sin, sometimes horribly. Sadly, sometimes Christians are indistinguishable from non-Christians. However, a true Christian will always repent, will always eventually return to God, and will always resume the struggle against sin. But the Bible gives no support for the idea that a person who perpetually and unrepentantly engages in sin can indeed be a Christian. Notice 1 Corinthians 6:11, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

I battled alcohol for years. That's right I was a Christian drunk. I drank like a fish. No AA for me. I dreaded standing in a room with other drunks and telling them I was a drunk. I got that 'monkey' off my back and gave it to Jesus years ago. To this day I don't crave alcohol anymore. I still fight daily against other sins. Sin is everywhere. With the help of Jesus they too will fall away. If he hasn't already ask Him this young man needs Christ in his life. Only Jesus can and will help him.

 

[Vernon]

human sexuality has been condemned by the Church since its beginnings, by the 5th century priests that were married were told they were not allowed to have sex with their wives any longer. Eventually the roman church made it mandatory that all priests remain celibate and forbidden to marry. in eastern orthodoxy a priest can marry, but bishops are required to be celibate and not allowed to marry. protestants came along in the 16th century after a thousand years of this mandate (that to be an elder you must be unmarried and celibate), and said it was ok for elders to marry and have sexual relations with their wives. The roman church considered sex within marriage for anyone was sinful unless it was with the intention to procreate. And all the branches of Christendom have considered sex for the enjoyment of sex to be sinful.
I believe this is where we find people today condemning human sexuality based on this long tradition of condemnation of human sexuality by Christendom. The judeo christian ethics would be how some would term western civilizations stigma about human sexuality.
I am not here to condone or condemn human sexuality or to express what I believe is sin in the eyes of God. I am here to say our concepts of what is sin and not sin for humans to do sexually has been greatly influenced by a false belief within christian tradition that sex is sin. If we can admit that we have been led falsely into believing any type of sexual expression by humans is considered ungodly. Then perhaps we can begin to understand truly how God wants us to behave sexually.
Just a thought.

 

[mystdancer50]

The Bible straight out condemns all sex except between one husband and his one wife. To sit here and pretend to be kind and condone any form of sexual immorality is exactly what is wrong with the church today.

 

[Vernon]

The Bible straight out condemns all sex except between one husband and his one wife. To sit here and pretend to be kind and condone any form of sexual immorality is exactly what is wrong with the church today.

So can a husband and wife have sex just for the pleasure or must they only have sexual intercourse with the intention to procreate? The teaching of the Church has not been consistent on this issue, the baltimore catechism said it was sin for a husband and wife to have sexual relations without the intention to procreate.
Now you are speaking only of what is permitted in the Church, and so I would ask you another question. Over 50% of christian marriages end in divorce, do those who remarry commit adultery as our Lord taught? If so a vary large segment of christians are adulterers. Is an adulterer less sinful than a homosexual? If God is forgiving our sins why is he not forgiving the sins of the homosexual?
I would like to ask another question, if the New Testament did not call slavery an abomination, why does the Church today do so? Slavery was much more prevalent during the days of the apostles than homosexuality, yet they never once condemn it.
Certainly sexual immorality is a sin, but what do we define as sexually immoral?

 

[danschance]

The bible says homosexuality is wrong. If you believe in the bible than you must also agree homosexuality is a sin or the bible is wrong.

 

[PennEd]

This is a post on reddit I saw. When you look at this, how can you believe that being Gay is just a choice?

I find it hard to condemn/judge people like this. I feel like giving them mercy.

But I know certain folks around here, hate mercy, and would prefer that Gays be rounded up Hitler did in WW2.




WeYoung comments on What ACTUALLY controversial opinion do you have? [Serious]

This post is ridiculous on every level, and is in itself laden with hate toward Bible-believing Christians.

1st off it is completely irrelevant if someone is "born homosexual" or not. We are all born sinners in need of a Savior AND to confess AND repent of our sin. I know I was "born with" the desire to have sex with more than one woman. To deny that I have that desire would be a lie. The question is, is my being born with that desire justification to ACT ON THAT DESIRE? The answer is NO. I must deny those urges by accepting Jesus and look to Him to cleanse me through the Holy Spirit and a renewing of my mind.

Also, you need to be called out on your hateful statement that merely pointing out that homosexuality is sin equates to wanting homosexuals rounded up like Hitler did in WWII.

 

[mystdancer50]

So can a husband and wife have sex just for the pleasure or must they only have sexual intercourse with the intention to procreate? The teaching of the Church has not been consistent on this issue, the baltimore catechism said it was sin for a husband and wife to have sexual relations without the intention to procreate.
Now you are speaking only of what is permitted in the Church, and so I would ask you another question. Over 50% of christian marriages end in divorce, do those who remarry commit adultery as our Lord taught? If so a vary large segment of christians are adulterers. Is an adulterer less sinful than a homosexual? If God is forgiving our sins why is he not forgiving the sins of the homosexual?
I would like to ask another question, if the New Testament did not call slavery an abomination, why does the Church today do so? Slavery was much more prevalent during the days of the apostles than homosexuality, yet they never once condemn it.
Certainly sexual immorality is a sin, but what do we define as sexually immoral?

It's pretty plain and simple, unless one wants to justify sexual sin. Married sex is the only sex God is okay with. Can sex be for mere intimacy and pleasure? Answer this: is sex pleasurable? Why do you think that is? God made sex for two things: procreation and intimacy. I am not here to answer for the failings of teaching on sex in marriage by pastors I do not know and am not accountable for. I am here to say, as I did, quite plainly, that sex is for marriage. End of story.

And, sorry to disappoint you, but I will not jump on your bandwagon to make divorced and remarried Christians feel like second class citizens just so you can soothe your conscious on sexual sin you want to permit for others or yourself.

 

[mystdancer50]

Why is it that when people want to justify sexual sin, especially the sin of homosexuality, they bring up two things that have NOTHING to do with sexual immorality: stoning disobedient children (OT) and slavery? Seriously. Apples and oranges, folks. If you want a legitimate standing argument, you must compare apples to apples, which means you must show a time when sexual sin is condoned by Christ or the apostles in order to excuse sexual sin for you.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I've seen the same comments from serial adulterers, fornicators, drug addicts, kleptomaniacs, etc... who find the carnal pleasure of their sin of choice compelling but simultaneously find that engaging in it violates their conscience causing them to feel this way afterwards (assuming they haven't gone to the point of reprobation).

What you've done David is draw a false correlation. You've wrongly assumed that because someone feels bad for sinning therefore they were born to engage in a particular sin like a robot without freewill.

And you state this knowing there are many people who "were homosexuals" exactly like this guy living the same homosexual life that the guy who wrote that post lives and felt exactly as he does whom were able to break their addiction to the sin of homosexuality and leave that "lifestyle" and are now either celibate or married to a member of the opposite sex living a perfectly normal sexually active monogamous heterosexual life.

I hate being gay. If I could, I would take a pill or something that would make me straight. I'm 21 turning 22, so it's not like I'm a high schooler just learning how to come to terms. This is my first post on reddit, so I don't know if this would be considered "controversial," but amid all the "love yourself" music and other cultural stuff, I feel as if it is.
Edit: Oddly, I'm not sure why I hate it. I'm happy for other people if they come out and are genuinely happy, but I could never do that. I feel as if no matter what people say, they will be judging me in the back of their minds for not being the norm. I've hated it so much that I've never kissed anybody.
I know that I'm young, so maybe it'll change, but for most of my life, I've just strongly disliked being myself. I've countered this by being as "straight" as possible, but it's failed to make any difference.