Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

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Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Colossians 2:14 "Blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;"

There is a difference between law and ordinances. Paul is not talking about the Law here , but blood ordinances ( rituals ) .

In the Greek it can even be translated "dogma".
Christ nail all those ordinances of blood sacrifices and ritual to the cross.
He blotted out the requirement ,for those ordinances.

Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"

God abolished through the flesh of Jesus Christ not the law, but the "the law of commandments contained in ordinances ".

The law was Not done away with, but the ordinances that are in the law.

When we are in Christ an He in us there is true peace and that is the only real peace. The world today is crying peace, peace , and the world is full of violence everywhere.

Ephesians 2:16 "And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:"

When we understand better the Word of God ; we can know exactly what kind of peace the new world order of the final generation would bring along with Antichrist. And what kind of Peace God's plans bring ( Matthew 24:32 ) . Its all written in detail in the Bible, that's why all His words are important. They never change.


Colossians 2:15 "And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triuphing over them in it."

In Christ Himself, He gave us power over even Satan himself. So we don't need to hold back or be afraid of anything. None of us are perfect, but when we fall short we are brought back into the perfection of Christ through our repentance. There is forgiveness in Christ by our Heavenly Father every time we come back to Him. He loves you very much. We have power over Satan, and He expects us to use that power and have victory over him. We can order evil spirits out of your life and back to where they came from.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Don't let any man judge us about the ordinances that were nailed to the cross with Christ. That was the subject just prior .
God is not a respecter of person, God has a plan for us. And this chapter has been steering us away from traditions of men, and into what is real in His Word.

We are not to allow any person to judge us on those things that God has ordained us to be eaten and drunk . A holy day is a feast day that has been set aside just for worship, or for worshipping or respecting any day over another.

"Sabbath" in the Hebrew means "rest". Hebrews4: , makes it very clear that Christ is our rest every day of the week.

It's saying don't put one day above another in respecting Christ, for we are required to put Christ foremost every day of our lives.
The "new moon" is going by a moon calendar, a calendar of Satan; ( 1 Thessalonians 5:4 ) and we are not children of the night, but of the day. All places in the Scriptures concerning and given in moons ( or months ) deal with Satan's people, and those given in days and years deal apply to the children of God. When we become a child of God, we should rest in Christ every day of the week, and respect all days alike.

Colossians 2:17 "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

This is exactly what those old feast days were, a shadow of the things to come. What is given in times, moons, feast days and sabbaths of old are examples, a school teacher of what Christ would become. Christ is our Passover.

Colossians 2:18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"


Nothing vain about God's words. If its written in his Law. its meant for us to absorb and read with understanding.
 

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My point was to show the same principle applies as in Gal 5.
I'll have to wait til I am by some resources to fully respond. I'm working off a phone outside busy at work.
 
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people will even do research and see the locust was a peapod like thing that grew on a tree, not a bug. people will see this fact and still deny it, just as they do the health laws, make up some goofy excuse of why its not for us.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end to the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us...

Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by the woks of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ...

Gal 3:23-25 "Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under the a guardian (i.e. the mosaic law), for in Christ Jesus you are the sons of God, through faith.

Eph. 2:15 "by abolishing the commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace."

 
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Funny how you think the true meaning of the Law is "it doesn't appy to me".
The mosaic laws are abolished (Eph 2:15) so they do not apply to me. The law of Christ does apply to me.
 
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What makes you a Christian is being Lawless?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
Mat 13:37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
Mat 13:42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I wouldn't go around boasting about it.
I would...
 
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Then you are denying the inspired commentary at the end of verse 19?

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)
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Pots and pans don't enter a man, obviously this is food He is talking about.

Mark 7:14-15 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
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Now let's look at what truly defiles a man (besides these petty arguments about food)...

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Amen.

I do not understand why they do not agree with the plain words of Christ. It is as though they are claiming Jesus was wrong.
 
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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

OK, read it. It says not to let anyone judge you for keeping them because they are a shadow of future events. Now as far as let no man judge you (in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come) but the body of Christ, it says...

Let no man therefore judge you but the body of Christ.
Men can't judge you but you add that the body of Christ (made of men , and women can)? That makes no sense at all.

John. I believe you are smarter than this.
 
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danschance

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The Almighty said the locust the bug was clean, but i still won't believe the locust John was eating was a bug, it doesn't make sense to me, but people can believe what they choose.
In Africa and parts of Asia bugs are eaten as food. They are high in protien, low in fat and are healthy to eat. John the baptist ate locusts which last time I checked were bugs.

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look up locust bean dan, there is such a thing.
 
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the bible says John ate locust, but it doesn't say if it was bugs or not. you keep on believing what you will, and i'll do the same.
 
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danschance

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Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

It was all about the Gentiles.
John the key to understanding the vision is what does unclean food and gentiles have in common? In the vision Peter had, God did not mention gentiles at all, He mentioned eating unclean food. So what do gentiles and unclean food have in common?

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God said two seperate things in the vision.
1) Kill and eat.
2) Do not call anything unclean which I have made clean.

The answer is simple. Unclean food and Gentiles are both unclean. That is the answer to the conundrum above. Jews were forbidden to enter a gentile's home and a Gentile was not allowed in Jew's home because they were defined as unclean by the Mosaic law.

In the Peter's Vision, God is clearly declaring an end to clean and unclean. This seems very obvious to me.
 
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No thanks, if you wanna eat Jimeney go right ahead,
I prefer currywurst with fries and mayo....




... and I'm allowed to because I'm a CHRISTIAN, those laws don't apply to me.
Amen. Please pass the currywurst.
 
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danschance

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So, you are more righteous and know better than John the Baptist?

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
I have never stated or implied that I am better than anyone and you know this to be true. I am not sure why you would even imply this?

All I said is I doubt I would prefer seconds of locusts and honey. From that you chose to insult my character by implying I am conceited.
 
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danschance

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Why not? If you were a missionary to a cannabalistic tribe and the put human flesh before you, you should eat it. After all...

Luke 10:8 Whenever you enter a town and the people welcome you, eat what is set before you.
I have stated before the one thing I will not willing or knowingly eat is human flesh as i consider that taboo and possibly sinful. However, if I was in a life or death situation, I might eat human flesh. Hopefully, I will never have to make that decision. To answer your specific question, no I would not eat human flesh to proselytize cannibals and I think the question is a bit ridiculous.
 

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Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end to the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Christ is the what? First of all the word is "of" not "to" as you have misquoted...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Secondly, the word end here means the result. We've been through this before...

If the word end (G5056) should really be translated as the obliteration of the Law then...

1Pe 1:9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

The obliteration of faith is salvation?

Even worse...

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Well, so much for Christ, you just obliterated Him.



Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us...
The curse of the Law is not the Law, it is the Penalty of the Law

Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by the woks of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ...
You forgot to put the "r" in works. Proves my point about the quote from Rom 10:4 above, you are changing it to suit yourself.

Of course no one is justified by works, how is it that this statement does away with Paul's other statements about the Law?

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

How about explaining these scriptures?

Gal 3:23-25 "Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under the a guardian (i.e. the mosaic law), for in Christ Jesus you are the sons of God, through faith.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

What did this schoolmaster teach us?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

What did He take away? Animal sacrifices! And what did He establish? His own body as the ulitmate sacrifice...

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


Eph. 2:15 "by abolishing the commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace." [/B]
You kinda massaged that verse too, didn't you?

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

What was abolished? What enmity? How about if we let Paul answer for himself...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The enmity that was abolished is our carnal nature that is not subject to the Law of God.
 
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Yeah, some of 'em musta read something like this...


1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

By the way, how'd that work out for Saul?
And they must not of read the New Testament.

Mark 17:5 Nothing outside a man can defile him if it goes into him. but the things which come out of him are what defiles him.
 

john832

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The mosaic laws are abolished (Eph 2:15) so they do not apply to me. The law of Christ does apply to me.
Wanna show me where the Laws concerning clean and unclean are Mosaic?

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

Who is the LORD? Been through that before also, the LORD is the One who became Jesus Christ. This wasn't Moses making this up, this is direct instruction from the one who became Christ.
 

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Originally Posted by john832
What makes you a Christian is being Lawless?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field."
Mat 13:37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
Mat 13:42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

I wouldn't go around boasting about it.
Hmmm, explains some things.
 

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Again, common sense would say no. Try again. Such lame arguments.
So then, Christ didn't cleanse all foods? You just told me He did. He only cleansed some foods? Which ones?
 

john832

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Then you are denying the inspired commentary at the end of verse 19?

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)
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Pots and pans don't enter a man, obviously this is food He is talking about.

Mark 7:14-15 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
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Now let's look at what truly defiles a man (besides these petty arguments about food)...

Mark 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Inspired Commentary? Where do you get this stuff? I don't trust any commentary. You think the translators are infallible? Ever read about the Comman Johanneum?