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If a Christian commits suicide, is he/she still saved?
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Question: "If a Christian commits suicide, is he/she still saved?"
Answer: It is a sad fact that some Christians have committed suicide. Adding to the tragedy is the false teaching that committing suicide automatically consigns one to hell. Many believe that a Christian who commits suicide will not be saved. This teaching is not supported in the Bible.
Scripture teaches that, from the moment we truly believe in Christ, we are guaranteed eternal life (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38–39). No “created thing” can separate a Christian from God’s love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a “created thing”; therefore, not even suicide can separate a Christian from God’s love. Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, his sin is still covered by the blood of Christ.
According to the Bible, suicide is not what determines whether a person gains entrance into heaven. If an unsaved person commits suicide, he has done nothing but “expedite” his journey to hell. However, that person who committed suicide will ultimately be in hell for rejecting salvation through Christ, not because he committed suicide (see John 3:18). We should also point out, however, that no one truly knows what was happening in a person’s heart the moment he or she died. Some people have “deathbed conversions” and accept Christ in the moments before death. It is possible that a suicide could have a last-second change of heart and cry out for God’s mercy. We leave such judgments to God (1 Samuel 16:7).
The suicide of a believer is evidence that anyone can struggle with despair and that our enemy, Satan, is “a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44). Suicide is still a serious sin against God. According to the Bible, suicide is murder; it is always wrong. Christians are called to live their lives for God, and the decision of when to die is God’s and God’s alone.
May God grant grace and the psalmist’s perspective to each one who is facing trials today: “Why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God” (Psalm 43:5).
Recommended Resources: Life, in Spite of Me: Extraordinary Hope After a Fatal Choice by Anderson & Goyer and Logos Bible Software.
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Question: "If a Christian commits suicide, is he/she still saved?"
Answer: It is a sad fact that some Christians have committed suicide. Adding to the tragedy is the false teaching that committing suicide automatically consigns one to hell. Many believe that a Christian who commits suicide will not be saved. This teaching is not supported in the Bible.
Scripture teaches that, from the moment we truly believe in Christ, we are guaranteed eternal life (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38–39). No “created thing” can separate a Christian from God’s love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a “created thing”; therefore, not even suicide can separate a Christian from God’s love. Jesus died for all of our sins, and if a true Christian, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commits suicide, his sin is still covered by the blood of Christ.
According to the Bible, suicide is not what determines whether a person gains entrance into heaven. If an unsaved person commits suicide, he has done nothing but “expedite” his journey to hell. However, that person who committed suicide will ultimately be in hell for rejecting salvation through Christ, not because he committed suicide (see John 3:18). We should also point out, however, that no one truly knows what was happening in a person’s heart the moment he or she died. Some people have “deathbed conversions” and accept Christ in the moments before death. It is possible that a suicide could have a last-second change of heart and cry out for God’s mercy. We leave such judgments to God (1 Samuel 16:7).
The suicide of a believer is evidence that anyone can struggle with despair and that our enemy, Satan, is “a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44). Suicide is still a serious sin against God. According to the Bible, suicide is murder; it is always wrong. Christians are called to live their lives for God, and the decision of when to die is God’s and God’s alone.
May God grant grace and the psalmist’s perspective to each one who is facing trials today: “Why, my soul, are you downcast? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God” (Psalm 43:5).
Recommended Resources: Life, in Spite of Me: Extraordinary Hope After a Fatal Choice by Anderson & Goyer and Logos Bible Software.
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this is such a great thread for suicide awareness....the statistics are skyrocketing, especially among teens.
When I was young I attempted suicide. After I accepted Christ, it was a challenge not to kill myself just because I was so done with everything and wanted to be home, in the arms of my loved ones. I believe that to be a lie from the enemy. I had an unclear and not yet biblical idea of the afterlife, and even coming into contact with churches did not help, because so many of them were also being deceived, and I didn't know about all that at the time.
I listened to people who had a list of claims like we see in an above post, of what scriptures, religions, and cults believed about death and the afterlife. Judaism does too have a concrete view of the afterlife, and it should be the same as Christianity, since it's the same God. We are all awaiting resurrection.
We don't know what it will be like during our rest. Some insist we all sleep, and I say let them sleep then. If you know Jesus, your rest will be in paradise, and people who REJECT Jesus (not who never met him, and not who were afflicted to the point of desperation, and not people deep in the Amazon) will wail after their life is over, and gnash their teeth in regret. That being said, is it sin? Yes, but only if you know Jesus, because it is a lack of faith in providence as well as being against the law. So actually, analyzing a persons life is counter productive to comfort. I was convinced that my rest would not be peaceful if I took my life, which is not the same as "going to hell", but it did give me incentive to ask for help instead.
It's nice that people are becoming more comfortable with mental illness, because a lot of things are preventable. I agree with dc, the first step is not driving people crazy. Women sometimes think that because a man isn't showing emotion, that they don't have feelings. My dad says, "men don't cry, because if they do, other men will hit them."
Also, God doesn't torture anyone, ever. God is just, and torture is not. Not only did God come to save us from our sin, he freed us from the power of death, AND taught us how to live so as not to torture ourselves and others.
When I was young I attempted suicide. After I accepted Christ, it was a challenge not to kill myself just because I was so done with everything and wanted to be home, in the arms of my loved ones. I believe that to be a lie from the enemy. I had an unclear and not yet biblical idea of the afterlife, and even coming into contact with churches did not help, because so many of them were also being deceived, and I didn't know about all that at the time.
I listened to people who had a list of claims like we see in an above post, of what scriptures, religions, and cults believed about death and the afterlife. Judaism does too have a concrete view of the afterlife, and it should be the same as Christianity, since it's the same God. We are all awaiting resurrection.
We don't know what it will be like during our rest. Some insist we all sleep, and I say let them sleep then. If you know Jesus, your rest will be in paradise, and people who REJECT Jesus (not who never met him, and not who were afflicted to the point of desperation, and not people deep in the Amazon) will wail after their life is over, and gnash their teeth in regret. That being said, is it sin? Yes, but only if you know Jesus, because it is a lack of faith in providence as well as being against the law. So actually, analyzing a persons life is counter productive to comfort. I was convinced that my rest would not be peaceful if I took my life, which is not the same as "going to hell", but it did give me incentive to ask for help instead.
It's nice that people are becoming more comfortable with mental illness, because a lot of things are preventable. I agree with dc, the first step is not driving people crazy. Women sometimes think that because a man isn't showing emotion, that they don't have feelings. My dad says, "men don't cry, because if they do, other men will hit them."
Also, God doesn't torture anyone, ever. God is just, and torture is not. Not only did God come to save us from our sin, he freed us from the power of death, AND taught us how to live so as not to torture ourselves and others.
If your son was a believer he is with the Lord. There are no specific scriptures that teach against believers who commit suicide going to be with the Lord.
There are some according to the parable of the sower who are overcome by the thorns and are choked out and die. This is one possible application of the parable to believers today.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There are some according to the parable of the sower who are overcome by the thorns and are choked out and die. This is one possible application of the parable to believers today.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Don't be so quick to jump.... have you forgotten "with God all things are possible"? That"my grace is sufficient for you"? We stand 'cause 'He is able to make us stand' (Rom14:4,Philippians 4:12-13).
As far as I can remember, there were no christian jews fighting alongside of old covenant jews at Masada. Heroism outside of the true love of Christ is nothing (1Cor 13:1-3).
As far as I can remember, there were no christian jews fighting alongside of old covenant jews at Masada. Heroism outside of the true love of Christ is nothing (1Cor 13:1-3).
Hmmm ... Plenty of Christians claim to be born again, but really they never died to be born again. If your still hurt, depressed, stressed, your not born again. (Sad to say) you died (so how can you be these things?) now alive in Christ.
Born again is also living in the Spirit. Suicide is of the flesh.. Where is your son? Nobody knows but God he does the judging.
My wife tried to commit suicide before we was married twice. She popped about 20+pills. But not on my watch a simple prayer and all of them came up. Good thing I know God,
Born again is also living in the Spirit. Suicide is of the flesh.. Where is your son? Nobody knows but God he does the judging.
My wife tried to commit suicide before we was married twice. She popped about 20+pills. But not on my watch a simple prayer and all of them came up. Good thing I know God,
There's a lot of good information here. Bless all who have responded.
My 2 cents - there's only one qualifier for getting into 'heaven' - confessing the crucified and risen Christ as your savior. NOTHING else gets you 'in' or 'out'.
But once 'in', we will be judged for our works (http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/249-5-how-will-we-judged.html). Suicide is not a good work, and so there will be a price to pay for it. But that price is not your salvation.
I have heard it questioned whether, having accepted Christ's death for your own, if you re-take your life by your own hand you disallow Christ's sacrifice for you. In other words, you can't both die for your sins. Either Christ did, or you do. But I haven't seen any real solid scriptural evidence for that idea, so I don't put much stock in it.
The fact is, it takes a conscious decision to accept Christ for salvation, so it would also take a conscious decision to reject Him to loose salvation. Unless one consciously rejects Him at the time of the suicide, the suicide remains a work and not a measure of salvation.
WW 21, that you tried this just a week ago really troubles me. I pray that God will bless your life and bring healing to you, that you would not feel this need any longer. And I curse satan, the destroyer, for pounding you into that state. In Jesus Name I bind all that is of the devil, and I command their silence, that they bother you no longer. May the Holy Spirit fall upon you, and wash you clean, and guide you away from such despair. May angels surround and minister to you, and protect you from the enemy and his minions. In Jesus Name I lift this before God, amen
If you need to talk about it, WW 21, I'm here. To be honest I tried when I was 17, and have seen some wonderful things come out of that attempt's failure. If my experience can help you, I'm willing to share it.
My 2 cents - there's only one qualifier for getting into 'heaven' - confessing the crucified and risen Christ as your savior. NOTHING else gets you 'in' or 'out'.
But once 'in', we will be judged for our works (http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/249-5-how-will-we-judged.html). Suicide is not a good work, and so there will be a price to pay for it. But that price is not your salvation.
I have heard it questioned whether, having accepted Christ's death for your own, if you re-take your life by your own hand you disallow Christ's sacrifice for you. In other words, you can't both die for your sins. Either Christ did, or you do. But I haven't seen any real solid scriptural evidence for that idea, so I don't put much stock in it.
The fact is, it takes a conscious decision to accept Christ for salvation, so it would also take a conscious decision to reject Him to loose salvation. Unless one consciously rejects Him at the time of the suicide, the suicide remains a work and not a measure of salvation.
WW 21, that you tried this just a week ago really troubles me. I pray that God will bless your life and bring healing to you, that you would not feel this need any longer. And I curse satan, the destroyer, for pounding you into that state. In Jesus Name I bind all that is of the devil, and I command their silence, that they bother you no longer. May the Holy Spirit fall upon you, and wash you clean, and guide you away from such despair. May angels surround and minister to you, and protect you from the enemy and his minions. In Jesus Name I lift this before God, amen
If you need to talk about it, WW 21, I'm here. To be honest I tried when I was 17, and have seen some wonderful things come out of that attempt's failure. If my experience can help you, I'm willing to share it.
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It's against the natural order of things, and God is super natural, I think you'll find it is a sin. But, that dose not mean some one go's to hell because of that. Why ?
Because many people have emotions problems that cause them to do the things they do, like taking their life. There are such things as imbalances in the brain, even caused by drugs , legal even or otherwise.
Just know, that there is a Lord's Day, set aide, for most likely people like your son, who will have One honest to God, fair chance to have the truth, with out all the problems of the word. Its called the Lords Day.
Read about it in Revelation 20. From my study into the Bible, your son is in heaven, on either side of the gulf. Keep in mind when reading that account, the rich man was explaining his emotions.
Don't take what he's taught as saying, as literal .There are figures of speech in the Bible that we have to learn, and the rich man uses many of them .
Remember what Christ said to the person on the cross next to Him :
Luke 23:39-43
King James Version (KJV)
39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Your son is in heaven, in Paradise. That is as far as I know. He will be there at least until the end of the Lord's day. So know God is fair. And you'll get to see him again . Weather or not he makes it at the end, is not for anyone to say. That is God's business.
Because many people have emotions problems that cause them to do the things they do, like taking their life. There are such things as imbalances in the brain, even caused by drugs , legal even or otherwise.
Just know, that there is a Lord's Day, set aide, for most likely people like your son, who will have One honest to God, fair chance to have the truth, with out all the problems of the word. Its called the Lords Day.
Read about it in Revelation 20. From my study into the Bible, your son is in heaven, on either side of the gulf. Keep in mind when reading that account, the rich man was explaining his emotions.
Don't take what he's taught as saying, as literal .There are figures of speech in the Bible that we have to learn, and the rich man uses many of them .
Remember what Christ said to the person on the cross next to Him :
Luke 23:39-43
King James Version (KJV)
39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Your son is in heaven, in Paradise. That is as far as I know. He will be there at least until the end of the Lord's day. So know God is fair. And you'll get to see him again . Weather or not he makes it at the end, is not for anyone to say. That is God's business.
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Of course suicide is a huge sin. No one has the right to terminate their life. Our lives belongs to its Creator, God, He's the only one who says when we are to be born and when to die. HOWEVER, your question of where your son is right now? No one knows. It's only God who knows. And if anyone told you your son is in heaven or hell, then they're lying. And that's also a sin to try speak on behalf of God about something that no one knows it except Him!!
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Something else to consider : Remember the final Judgment dose not, take place until after Christ has returned teaching for a thousand years.
Acts 1:9-12
King James Version (KJV)
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
We see Christ is in heaven. We also know, there is at least one kind of judgment, that places some one in Paradise, on either side of a gulf. Christ being in heaven, lets see whats written in another place of people who pass away: the good, and the bad :
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Don't be so forgetful, again, the Lord's day, and the lake of fire, is not until the end of the Lord's day. Even Satan, being sentenced to death by name, is in heaven as written by John's hand by the mouth of Christ Himself
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rev 12: 7- 12.
We also know, to be absent from the Body is present with the Lord. As written in Ecclesiastes. And in Ezekiel, God states, all souls belong to Him. So keeping in mind all of God's plans He has taught us in His words.
I know, he is in heaven. These scriptures among many many more.
Acts 1:9-12
King James Version (KJV)
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
We see Christ is in heaven. We also know, there is at least one kind of judgment, that places some one in Paradise, on either side of a gulf. Christ being in heaven, lets see whats written in another place of people who pass away: the good, and the bad :
2 Corinthians 5:10-11
King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Don't be so forgetful, again, the Lord's day, and the lake of fire, is not until the end of the Lord's day. Even Satan, being sentenced to death by name, is in heaven as written by John's hand by the mouth of Christ Himself
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rev 12: 7- 12.
We also know, to be absent from the Body is present with the Lord. As written in Ecclesiastes. And in Ezekiel, God states, all souls belong to Him. So keeping in mind all of God's plans He has taught us in His words.
I know, he is in heaven. These scriptures among many many more.
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I also said that I couldn't say it was true with 100% authority because only God knows where each person will end up.
And, as to the 'jungles' thing that everyone uses to defend things, Romans tells us that ALL know the existence of God. The issue is not what I believe, but what you believe. How merciful and just do you feel He is? I feel that He is just and fair and merciful to the point that a believer that kills themself would be under grace, but it is all a matter of heart. Where was their heart with God at the time? The same is true in the 'jungles', though I daresay suicide isn't as common there as it is here.
And, as to the 'jungles' thing that everyone uses to defend things, Romans tells us that ALL know the existence of God. The issue is not what I believe, but what you believe. How merciful and just do you feel He is? I feel that He is just and fair and merciful to the point that a believer that kills themself would be under grace, but it is all a matter of heart. Where was their heart with God at the time? The same is true in the 'jungles', though I daresay suicide isn't as common there as it is here.
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I don't know what was going on in your son's head, or what conversations he may have had with God before taking his own life. I do know that it wasn't God's will for him to commit suicide, and that your son must have been in great torment battling the influences of the enemy. Maybe he pleaded his case before the Lord and begged forgiveness before quitting on this life. What matters isn't the thinking process or what he did and didn't understand about his actions.
I don't know where your son is because I didn't know his heart for the Lord. I don't think any of us here can know. But I don't believe that this final act will be the deciding factor.
God wants you to have peace, and no matter the answer, I believe even by the way you posed the question that you are ready to praise God for his goodness and sovereignty. If an answer is truly what you need then He will whisper it to your heart.
God bless.
I don't know where your son is because I didn't know his heart for the Lord. I don't think any of us here can know. But I don't believe that this final act will be the deciding factor.
God wants you to have peace, and no matter the answer, I believe even by the way you posed the question that you are ready to praise God for his goodness and sovereignty. If an answer is truly what you need then He will whisper it to your heart.
God bless.
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That is totally inconsiderate of the mans feelings, and as a Christian should know better. At your age you should be capable of having empath for what people on earth go through you being one, thinking before you speak.
We are taught to help each-other out, and in truth, with truth, and in love, etc. If you don't have the patience to give a Biblical & accurate or at least comforting response, then why bother opening your mouth to start with ?
We are taught to help each-other out, and in truth, with truth, and in love, etc. If you don't have the patience to give a Biblical & accurate or at least comforting response, then why bother opening your mouth to start with ?
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Pappy, I have reflected and studied long and hard on this very subject. Had a young man that worked for me do that. Yes, suicide is a sin. There is no way can anyone say it isn't defiling the "temple of the Holy Ghost".
Let me tell you what the bible says.
First, the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Now we can only speculate, but using scripture teaching, we bring some thought up that will cast doubt on suicide being an automatic death sentence, spiritually.
We know that God judges each man individually. He looks on the inner man.
Now let's get to it. I had a neighbor that killed herself. Young woman with children. Shot herself in the chest with a shotgun while her kids were in school and her husband at work. My mom went next door to visit and found her. She had apparently shot herself on the bed, but didn't die immediately. She dragged herself over to the door and mom told me how there was blood everywhere. She had obviously tried to open the door, but wasn't able to.
A woman in our church told mom that that woman had went straight to hell. Mom let me know how those words cut her to the quick. The suicide victim was a nice lady. Not vulgar or profane, nor swearer or drinker.
How long does it take God to forgive someone if they ask the way He wants them to? A day? An hour? A week? A second? When God forgives someone it is instantaneous. Did that lady, in the agonizing minutes after she shot herself realize the grave error she made? I think so, as evidenced by her struggle to get out. She had to have been trying to reach help, and that signifies recognizing the error of her actions. Did she beg God for forgiveness? God knows. Could He have granted it if she did? Certainly. Nothing is impossible to God. Did He forgive her if she asked? God knows.
I think it would be rare indeed to see someone that committed suicide in heaven, but logic obtained by the knowledge and grace of God's infinite love and mercy tells us that the possibility exists. Could that have happened in your son's case? Yes. Did it? God and your son knows.
Do what God wants you to do, and you will find out. I have heard many people say "when my son/daughter/husband/wife/loved one dies I want to be with them. No you don't. You want to be in heaven with them. If they are in hell and you in heaven, you will have no knowledge of that. To say you would means that living in heaven would actually be hell for you. The afore mentioned logic tells us we will have no knowledge of any loved ones in heaven, as does the bible: If you are in hell with a loved one, I can assure you, you will not be a comfort to each other.
I hope I have given you something useful here. To say that all suicide victims go to hell would be to make a blanket condemnation. God doesn't do that. Do they all go to hell? Not one person on the face of this earth can say they do or they don't with certainty.
Let me tell you what the bible says.
First, the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Now we can only speculate, but using scripture teaching, we bring some thought up that will cast doubt on suicide being an automatic death sentence, spiritually.
We know that God judges each man individually. He looks on the inner man.
Now let's get to it. I had a neighbor that killed herself. Young woman with children. Shot herself in the chest with a shotgun while her kids were in school and her husband at work. My mom went next door to visit and found her. She had apparently shot herself on the bed, but didn't die immediately. She dragged herself over to the door and mom told me how there was blood everywhere. She had obviously tried to open the door, but wasn't able to.
A woman in our church told mom that that woman had went straight to hell. Mom let me know how those words cut her to the quick. The suicide victim was a nice lady. Not vulgar or profane, nor swearer or drinker.
How long does it take God to forgive someone if they ask the way He wants them to? A day? An hour? A week? A second? When God forgives someone it is instantaneous. Did that lady, in the agonizing minutes after she shot herself realize the grave error she made? I think so, as evidenced by her struggle to get out. She had to have been trying to reach help, and that signifies recognizing the error of her actions. Did she beg God for forgiveness? God knows. Could He have granted it if she did? Certainly. Nothing is impossible to God. Did He forgive her if she asked? God knows.
I think it would be rare indeed to see someone that committed suicide in heaven, but logic obtained by the knowledge and grace of God's infinite love and mercy tells us that the possibility exists. Could that have happened in your son's case? Yes. Did it? God and your son knows.
Do what God wants you to do, and you will find out. I have heard many people say "when my son/daughter/husband/wife/loved one dies I want to be with them. No you don't. You want to be in heaven with them. If they are in hell and you in heaven, you will have no knowledge of that. To say you would means that living in heaven would actually be hell for you. The afore mentioned logic tells us we will have no knowledge of any loved ones in heaven, as does the bible: If you are in hell with a loved one, I can assure you, you will not be a comfort to each other.
I hope I have given you something useful here. To say that all suicide victims go to hell would be to make a blanket condemnation. God doesn't do that. Do they all go to hell? Not one person on the face of this earth can say they do or they don't with certainty.
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Thank you for all comments…I knew there would be a lot of different views on this and was prepared for positive and negative. I wouldn’t have asked if I didn’t think God knew I was ready for this. Is part of me healing after all this time. My son was Lutheran on his mom’s side. He was 21 and was well educated drank some beer with friends once in a while but other than that no other substance was involved. I know this because we were really close and we were best friends. We had a bond as I was a kid of 18 when I had him.
When he took his life he had a lot going on. His best friend was going back to Afghanistan after almost losing his life on pervious tour. His girlfriend told him she was pregnant twice and wasn’t. He was in a world of confusion on Native American ways and modern day religion.
One day before this happened he asked me if God forgives all sins against him. I told him did you forget all you learned in church son????
He didn’t laugh and I knew something was wrong. I thought he might have stolen a friends game are iPod or money or something. I talked to him for about 10 minutes trying to get to the core of the problem and his cell rang and said he had to go that his girlfriend was in a trouble and left. That night I called and called just to get his voicemail. Was I worried yes but had no clue what would happen. I prayed that night as usual and went to sleep thinking all would be ok.
When I found out I lost it my world was turned upside down. I hated God every bible saying everything that had to do with Christian way of life. For seven years I cursed God and lived a life without him in it. Then about three weeks ago I had over powering presence of God and my son close to me. It freaked me out. I told God leave me alone I don’t want you in my life. But that presence kept coming back I started losing sleep over it and started feeling bad for the things I said about God. I opened the Bible for the first time in seven years and started reading it. Then I thought I’m not ready to see face to face about this and got on the internet for some guidance and type in Christian chat and this site come up. I have met some good people here in that time and I’m thankful for them I hope I never lose them.
I know God is Holding me and protecting as I have to face this all over again but this time with the Lord at my side.
My thoughts on suicide are very deep and complex and God is helping me with them as is family. I do not believe God would take my son for me to suffer or make me weak. God has a plan for me and as stubborn as I’m he will continue to help me. If his plan was to take my child I must live with that decision and not be mad, but happy that god is holding my son and they both watch over me every day. This is my thoughts only….. Once again thank all for being honest …God Bless you all ..
When he took his life he had a lot going on. His best friend was going back to Afghanistan after almost losing his life on pervious tour. His girlfriend told him she was pregnant twice and wasn’t. He was in a world of confusion on Native American ways and modern day religion.
One day before this happened he asked me if God forgives all sins against him. I told him did you forget all you learned in church son????
He didn’t laugh and I knew something was wrong. I thought he might have stolen a friends game are iPod or money or something. I talked to him for about 10 minutes trying to get to the core of the problem and his cell rang and said he had to go that his girlfriend was in a trouble and left. That night I called and called just to get his voicemail. Was I worried yes but had no clue what would happen. I prayed that night as usual and went to sleep thinking all would be ok.
When I found out I lost it my world was turned upside down. I hated God every bible saying everything that had to do with Christian way of life. For seven years I cursed God and lived a life without him in it. Then about three weeks ago I had over powering presence of God and my son close to me. It freaked me out. I told God leave me alone I don’t want you in my life. But that presence kept coming back I started losing sleep over it and started feeling bad for the things I said about God. I opened the Bible for the first time in seven years and started reading it. Then I thought I’m not ready to see face to face about this and got on the internet for some guidance and type in Christian chat and this site come up. I have met some good people here in that time and I’m thankful for them I hope I never lose them.
I know God is Holding me and protecting as I have to face this all over again but this time with the Lord at my side.
My thoughts on suicide are very deep and complex and God is helping me with them as is family. I do not believe God would take my son for me to suffer or make me weak. God has a plan for me and as stubborn as I’m he will continue to help me. If his plan was to take my child I must live with that decision and not be mad, but happy that god is holding my son and they both watch over me every day. This is my thoughts only….. Once again thank all for being honest …God Bless you all ..